Flat Earth Theory.

[Apple Sky]

The problem is you are reading & listening to conspiracy theory crackpots rather than proper Bible expositors. Which means you have been duped. Try reading & listening to these creation apologetics groups for example, they have a number of articles on the subject:

Theologians, half of them haven't a clue when it comes down to Biblical cosmology.

 

[Phil G]

Yes it is.

"....to an observer in the Northern Hemisphere, Polaris appears almost exactly due north. Over the course of a night, the Earth’s rotation means that all stars appear to rotate around the North Celestial Pole. This includes Polaris as well, because it isn’t located exactly at the North Celestial Pole."

The changing pole star

Update 13 January 2025 There’s now a vesrion of this post on the Expaining Science YouTube Channel Many people know that Polaris, the brightest star in the constellation Ursa Minor (The Littl…

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Theologians, half of them haven't a clue when it comes down to Biblical cosmology.

Of course not, but conspiracy theorists know better!

 

[Apple Sky]

No it isn't, otherwise it wouldn't move at all, which it does....constantly.

Polaris doesn't move that much at all, making it constantly over the North Pole.

 

[Phil G]

Polaris doesn't move that much at all, making it constantly over the North Pole.

That's a contradiction. If it's constantly over the North Pole, it wouldn't move at all.

 

[Apple Sky]

Of course not, but conspiracy theorists know better!

As shown by God.

 

[Apple Sky]

That's a contradiction. If it's constantly over the North Pole, it wouldn't move at all.

It hardly moves at all, in fact it is the other stars that move around it.

 

[Phil G]

It hardly moves at all.

'Hardly moves' is not the same as doesn't move. If it is constantly and directly over the North Pole, it wouldn't move at all. What part of that do you not understand?

 

[Phil G]

As shown by God.

As interpreted by conspiracy theorists, who haven't a clue about Hebrew or Greek.

 

[Phil G]

It hardly moves at all, in fact it is the other stars that move around it.

And all other stars don't move around it, they move around a center point in the sky just as Polaris does.

 

[BNR32FAN]

But just for drill, He didn't say that He was living water, He said that He would give her living water. And as far as we can tell from thr goispels, no one recoiled in horror at the idea. But here's what He said concerning the Eucharist:

Yeah He said

”Jesus answered and said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again; but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.”“
‭‭John‬ ‭4‬:‭13‬-‭14‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

”Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.“
‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭35‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

”I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭51‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

I asked if you could see the similarities and you only mentioned the differences. This only proves that you’re unwilling to have a honest discussion about the subject because you refuse to admit that both passages mention Jesus giving something that causes them to never thirst that results in receiving salvation. You refuse to admit that because your only goal is to contradict anything I say. Now I told you that I would explain what the passage means and it means that He will give the Holy Spirit to anyone who comes to Him.

I'd say not. Dramatically different context, and entirely different analogy.
E for effort, though.

Obviously there are differences but the question was can you see the similarities?

And a duck is exacly the same as an airplane. Except the airplane.

Both are referring to how to receive eternal life, so no it’s not a duck and an airplane that’s just you refusing to admit the truth.

He's still the Bread of Life.

Yeah well the last time I quoted John 6 you said it had nothing to do with the Eucharist, now you seem to have changed that story.

You so conveniently omitted the question regarding whether you still get thirsty or hungry. If Jesus was speaking literally then Christians wouldn’t need to eat or drink anymore would they?

Because it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Eucharist. It's simly you playing at, "hey, look over there!" No worky,

Before you said the bread of life had nothing to do with the Eucharist which is why I had to go and quote the Roman Catechism to prove you wrong.

Anglican Catholic. We do agree on most things, though.

Amen

But He didn't try, because He wasn't writing technical specs.

Was it a technical spec when God parted the Red Sea? Was it a technical spec when He stopped the Jordan river? Was it a technical spec when He destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah? No these were all historical events recorded in the scriptures just like the events that took place in Genesis 1. Your just creating your own strawman argument by creating the false narrative that I’m presenting Genesis 1 as a “technical spec” so that you can hide from the fact that it’s a historical event recorded in the scriptures that you don’t actually believe in. Hey if you don’t want to believe in it that’s fine but at least have the dignity and integrity to call it what it actually is.

The water? It doesn't, have any riret connection. Care to try and establish one? I'd been keen to hear it.

I did that above by pointing out that both are referring to how we receive salvation.

 

[Apple Sky]

That's a contradiction. If it's constantly over the North Pole, it wouldn't move at all.

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Polaris Proves the Flat Earth​

 

[Apple Sky]

As interpreted by conspiracy theorists, who haven't a clue about Hebrew or Greek.

We don't have to understand Hebrew & Greek to know what is written in the Bible.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The Jews of X years BC? Of course they couldn't! A billion, seriously? Most moderns can't grasp it very well. Let's not be intentionally obtuse.

It’s not a hard concept to grasp at all. I already proved to you that obviously God knew they were capable of understanding the concept of 10 million. You’re just pulling this idea that they couldn’t understand a billion out of thin air. You have nothing to support that statement at all.

I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed;“

Yeah that’s one way He could’ve conveyed a long period of time between the creation events that they would’ve understood. Or He could’ve just used numbers if He wanted to like He did in Genesis 24:60. So your excuse that they couldn’t comprehend such a number is proven wrong by the scriptures themselves.

And it would still have meant "a whole lot". Six was a lot easier to grasp, especially when dealing with long periods of time.

Apparently not since we’re having this discussion on the topic. If six days was easier to comprehend than saying ten thousands of hundred thousands then we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now.

And in fact He didn't. He just game then six periods.

He gave six days you mean. That’s what the passages specifically state. Genesis 1, Genesis 2::2-3, and Exodus 20:11

He could have left Genesis out altogether, except for the fact that He was conveying that He alone created the universe.

He managed to accomplish that in John 1 without giving and time frame at all.

By having a seven day week, with one day dedicated to worship. Got it.

Actually the commandment was to rest, not to worship.

I'll byte. The best I've heard from your lot is that there a a different sun that the Bible doesn't tell us about.

Not a different sun, the light He created on day one. The light that He used to define day and night.

”Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭3‬-‭5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

How'd it work without a sun?

Why does it matter how it worked? We don’t need to know how it worked. All we need to know is what God told us about what it did.

”Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭3‬-‭5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

God created the light then He defined the light as day and the darkness as night and there was evening and morning. Why do we need to discuss its composition and exact coordinates and position in order to know what He specifically said that it did? What is day and night? Day and night refer to the illumination or absence of illumination of the earth. Day and night are never ever used in reference to light pertaining to anything other than the illumination state of the earth. Why are you ignoring the obvious definitions of the words day and night, evening and morning? Yes we commonly associate these with the position of our planet in relation to the sun but when you don’t have a sun and God specifically says that He made light, called the light day and the darkness night that should be pretty simple for anyone to figure out what He’s telling us.

You're right. So tell me about this other luminary that provided for days and nigyht before the sun was created. That's sure to scotch the last objection to your Six 24-hour Day Creation stuff. And I for one am keen to hear it.

”Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.“
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭3‬-‭5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

That probably speaks more to your difficulties with the language that anything else,

Difficulties with what language?

A: Because it's a ridiculous, obvious, and irrelevant red herring that was all you could manage to dredge up, and do you not in fact believe that Christ will give us the water of life? He says He will; have you reason to doubt His Word yet again?

Yeah I do believe He will give us the Holy Spirit that will become a well of water springing up to eternal life.

Amen. In what part of that do you doubt Him?

I never doubted Him at all, I absolutely believe the metaphor He used here in reference to receiving Him within us.

Which you also reject. Help me, what parts of the Gospels do you bvelieve?

I believe all of the gospel not just the parts that coincide with science but all of it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Which you also reject. Help me, what parts of the Gospels do you bvelieve?

Do you believe 2 Timothy 2:12?

”If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;“
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2‬:‭12‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

If Paul or Timothy was to deny Christ would they receive eternal life just because they received the Eucharist worthily?

 

[AV1611VET]

What does everyone think of the Flat Earth Theory?

The same thing I think about evolution.

It's just a theory.

 

[Jipsah]

It’s not a hard concept to grasp at all.

Right. It means A Whole Lot.

I already proved...

...nothing at all

You’re just pulling this idea that they couldn’t understand a billion out of thin air.

OK, Do you have anything of substance to say, at all? Ever?

You have nothing to support that statement at all.

I'm still standing in awe of your discovery of the other unreported "not sun" that provided the "day and night" during pre-solar creation. But then, fundy's tend to thrive on creativity.

So your excuse that they couldn’t comprehend such a number is proven wrong by the scriptures themselves.

That's nice. What's your excuse for your "six 24 hour days" not matching the geological data? At all? Is this the God Made It Look Old idiocy?

Not a different sun, the light He created on day one. The light that He used to define day and night.

Be good enough to explain how that worked. I could use a horselaughor two right now.

”Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

So I've heard. So, was light just kind of lying around, or did it come from something? If the latter, then what was it, exactly? And how do you know? Or, as it appears, you've just made up a pre-sun sun to keep your doctrine afloat.orning, one day.“

‭‭Why does it matter how it worked?

Evenings and mornings, matey? You may have heard of them. As the world turns, different parts face the sun, or your hitherto unknown light source, you get evenings and mornings. . And when was it created, and why was it replaced by the sun?

We don’t need to know how it worked.

I'm sure you don't. <Laugh>

All we need to know is what God told us about what it did.

"It" being what, exactly? A pre-sun sun? A jar of lightnng bugs? God's flashlight?

”Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

You seem to have said that before.

God created the light

Yeah, I reckon we're all in agreement on that.

then He defined the light as day and the darkness as night and there was evening and morning.

You need a bit more than the simple existence of light to use it as a unit or measure of time, don't you?

Why do we need to discuss its composition and exact coordinates and position in order to know what He specifically said that it did?

OK, there's light, and there's darkness. How do they become measurements of time? You seem to be missing some vital components. <Laugh>

What is day and night?

And how long are they?

Day and night refer to the illumination or absence of illumination of the earth.

Sonuvagun.

Day and night are never ever used in reference to light pertaining to anything other than the illumination state of the earth.

I 'm not sure how much of this kind of profounity I can digest, I may need t o sit down.

Why are you ignoring the obvious definitions of the words day and night

How long is a day? How long is a night? If you;'re using them as a measurement of time, you'll need some to compare them to, won't you?

Yes we commonly associate these with the position of our planet

"Usually"?

in relation to the sun but when you don’t have a sun and God specifically says that He made light, called the light day and the darkness night that should be pretty simple for anyone to figure out what He’s telling us.

So you just say one each of equals 24 hours (which it doesn't even on earth) and Call It A Day. <ROFL>

”Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

Again!? Didn't it work the first few times?

Difficulties with what language?

The one where an evening and a morning are always 24 hours. Especially if there's no sun.

I never doubted Him at all, I absolutely believe the metaphor He used here in reference to receiving Him within us.

"Take, eat, this is My Body" isn't a metaphor. Why can't you just believe what our Lord said? Oh, I forgot. It';s a Hard Saying, who can hear it?

I believe all of the gospel not just the parts that coincide with science but all of it.

Except what our Lord explicitly said, because "well He can't have really meant that", can He?

Have fun straining at those gnats and swallowing those tasty camels.

 

[Jipsah]

If Paul or Timothy was to deny Christ would they receive eternal life just because they received the Eucharist worthily?

If my grandmother had had wheels would she have been a bicycle?

 

[Jipsah]

The same thing I think about evolution.

It's just a theory.

Gravity is just a theory as well, but it still keeps us from flying around street lights.

 

[AV1611VET]

Gravity is just a theory as well, but it still keeps us from flying around street lights.

Gravity will be pwned at the Rapture.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm still standing in awe of your discovery of the other unreported "not sun" that provided the "day and night" during pre-solar creation.

One rotation of the earth on its axis.

No sun needed.

But then, fundy's tend to thrive on creativity.

Are you against creativity?