Flat Earth Theory.

[Apple Sky]

Here is a little reading on the subject from Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum.

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So from what I can gather the Nephilim were the spawn of the fallen angels & human women, creating super beings. Thanks For this, as I always thought the Nephilim to be giants.
Now I understand

 

[d taylor]

I don't know what the Hebrew says but there is nothing to say that Eve believed she had given birth to Yahweh.
Adam and Eve slept together, she became pregnant with a boy and they called him Cain. It was God, Yahweh, who told her that she would give birth to children.

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What is interesting is this seems to upset you, i could understand that coming from a Jewish person. Being that 4:1 would be a sign of a promise from God to send The Messiah, that Eve thought she had given birth to The Messiah.

 

[prodromos]

What is interesting is this seems to upset you, i could understand that coming from a Jewish person. Being that 4:1 would be a sign of a promise from God to send The Messiah, that Eve thought she had given birth to The Messiah.

Good grief!

 

[Strong in Him]

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What is interesting is this seems to upset you, i could understand that coming from a Jewish person. Being that 4:1 would be a sign of a promise from God to send The Messiah, that Eve thought she had given birth to The Messiah.

Doesn't upset me at all; I don't know where you got that idea.

Genesis 3:15 is a Messianic promise - it refers to Jesus.
I have never read it that Eve thought she had given birth to the Messiah and never heard of anyone who believes, or teaches, this. Eve must have been severely disillusioned then when the "Messiah" killed her son.

 

[d taylor]

Doesn't upset me at all; I don't know where you got that idea.

Genesis 3:15 is a Messianic promise - it refers to Jesus.
I have never read it that Eve thought she had given birth to the Messiah and never heard of anyone who believes, or teaches, this. Eve must have been severely disillusioned then when the "Messiah" killed her son.

I first read about this in Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum's book on Genesis. But there is also a person that has a youtube teaching on this. Youtube.

It just is part of the few verses that has been incorrectly translated like Job 26:7, the English translation is not supported by any other verses of The Bible.
He stretches out the north over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing.

Which should actually read in English.
The Hebrew is — belimah al erets talah tohu al tsaphon natah
The proper translation of which is:
"He spreadeth out the North over the desolate' place (the abyss of waters), and supporteth the earth upon fastenings."

I (David Wardlaw Scott) am much surprised that not only the translators of the Authorized and
Revised Versions, but such a distinguished scholar as the late Dr.
Robert Young, could have made such a strange mistake, as to say that God
" hangeth the Earth upon nothing," which is neither a proper rendering nor common sense ; besides which it distinctly contradicts the Word of God which, in so many other places, declares that the Earth rests upon Foundations. There must be a support for any thing that hangs, and our Modem Astronomers were not long in taking advantage of the above miss translation by saying that, as it was impossible for such a heavy mass as the Earth to stand by itself, the passage must mean that it whirls round the Sun by the force of Gravitation.

The Hebrew word talah means to hang, suspend, or support by actual contact. thus, to give a
few instances/examples
Genesis 40:19 Within three days Pharaoh will lift off your head from you and hang (talah) you on a tree; and the birds will eat your flesh from you.”

Psalms 137:2 We hung (talah) our harps Upon the willows in the midst of it.

Ezekiel 15:3 Is wood taken from it to make any object? Or can men make a peg from it to hang (talah) any vessel on?

but belimah wrongly translated "nothing" is the crucial word. Our translators appear to have derived it from the noun blee, signifying consumption or desolation, and the pronoun meh, who which what, but the meaning "nothing" drawn from these words, seems to be very far fetched. Hebrew is a very ancient language, to all probability the most ancient of any, and this being the only place in the Bible where the word belimah occurs, it is, of course, difficult to test the meaning. I have myself, however, not the slightest doubt, that Parkhurst is right in deriving the noun belimah from the verb belem, to confine, restrain, or hold in, so used in.
Psalm 32:9 Do not be like the horse or like the mule, Which have no understanding, Which must be harnessed(belem) with bit and bridle, Else they will not come near you.
and that belimah simply means "fastenings," or "supports," and this interpretation exactly agrees with what JEHOVAH asked Job a little farther on in Job 38:6 To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone,

But while I (David Wardlaw Scott) consider Parkhurst to be correct as to the rendering of the word belimah, I believe him to be wrong as to the strange application of it which he makes, when he says — "What can this mean but the columns of light and spirit, between which the Earth is suspended (comp.1 Samuel 2:8), and which, like the two reins of a bridle, hold (if I may be allowed the expression) the mighty steed within its circular course."*

It is, therefore, evident from the above examination, that the real meaning of belimah in Job 26:7 is that God supports the Earth upon fastenings, or, in other words, upon "foundations,"

 

[Strong in Him]

I first read about this in Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum's book on Genesis. But there is also a person that has a youtube teaching on this. Youtube.

Maybe, but I still haven't heard of anyone who teaches this.

It just is part of the few verses that has been incorrectly translated like Job 26:7, the English translation is not supported by any other verses of The Bible.
He stretches out the north over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing.

Which should actually read in English.
The Hebrew is — belimah al erets talah tohu al tsaphon natah
The proper translation of which is:
"He spreadeth out the North over the desolate' place (the abyss of waters), and supporteth the earth upon fastenings."

I (David Wardlaw Scott) am much surprised that not only the translators of the Authorized and
Revised Versions, but such a distinguished scholar as the late Dr.
Robert Young, could have made such a strange mistake, as to say that God
" hangeth the Earth upon nothing," which is neither a proper rendering nor common sense ; besides which it distinctly contradicts the Word of God which, in so many other places, declares that the Earth rests upon Foundations. There must be a support for any thing that hangs, and our Modem Astronomers were not long in taking advantage of the above miss translation by saying that, as it was impossible for such a heavy mass as the Earth to stand by itself, the passage must mean that it whirls round the Sun by the force of Gravitation.

What's any of that got to do with Eve thinking that she had given birth to the Messiah?
By the way, there are a number of commentaries/books which also say that Genesis 3:15 is a Messianic promise. I'd rather go with them that with some guy off YouTube.

 

[Apple Sky]

By the way, there are a number of commentaries/books which also say that Genesis 3:15 is a Messianic promise. I'd rather go with them that with some guy off YouTube.

I'd rather go with God's word, every time.

Job 26:7
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

 

[Strong in Him]

I'd rather go with God's word, every time.

As long as you're not implying that I don't.

Job 26:7
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

What's that got to do with the Messianic prophecy/promise of Genesis 3:15, and the statement by some that Eve gave birth to the Messiah?

 

[Apple Sky]

As long as you're not implying that I don't.

What's that got to do with the Messianic prophecy/promise of Genesis 3:15, and the statement by some that Eve gave birth to the Messiah?

Well excusey maw - I thought this was the flat earth theory thread.

 

[Strong in Him]

Well excusey maw - I thought this was the flat earth theory thread.

It is.
But it was you who said, in post #382, that you believed Cain to be the son of Satan - which is nothing to do with a flat earth.

 

[Apple Sky]

It is.
But it was you who said, in post #382, that you believed Cain to be the son of Satan - which is nothing to do with a flat earth.

I think you'll find it was find it was prodromos who first mentioned all this about Genesis 6 on page 366, I just followed on with the conversation.

 

[prodromos]

I think you'll find it was find it was prodromos who first mentioned all this about Genesis 6 on page 366, I just followed on with the conversation.

Nope, it was @d taylor who opened that particular can of worms.

 

[Michael Snow]

Wasn't the Nephilim the Giants ?

Yes. “Who Are the Nephilim?” Dr. Michael L. Brown

 

[Michael Snow]

So from what I can gather the Nephilim were the spawn of the fallen angels & human women, creating super beings. Thanks For this, as I always thought the Nephilim to be giants.
Now I understand

Yes, the Nephilim are giants. Context and antecedents are key in the text. “Who Are the Nephilim?” Dr. Michael L. Brown

 

[Strong in Him]

I think you'll find it was find it was prodromos who first mentioned all this about Genesis 6 on page 366, I just followed on with the conversation.

But you could have, at any time, reminded folk that it was a flat earth discussion and refuse to keep the conversation going.

Anyway, I'm out of here.
I see no scientific, or Scriptural, evidence for a flat earth - it's not the purpose of Scripture to teach such matters.
I certainly don't see any Scripture evidence, either for Cain being Satan's child, or of Eve having given birth to to Messiah - two completely opposite views. And I have far better things to do than to debate this.

Enjoy.

 

[Apple Sky]

I see no scientific, or Scriptural, evidence for a flat earth - it's not the purpose of Scripture to teach such matters.

Wrong - I think it's a very important matter when it comes to scripture as it helps for the masses not to be deceived in the end days, which are closer than ever.
Thankfully the Flat earth debate has bought many flat earthers to God & his word as true to the letter.

Mathew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

 

[Apple Sky]

Nope, it was @d taylor who opened that particular can of worms.

My apologies.

 

[Strong in Him]

Wrong - I think it's a very important matter when it comes to scripture as it helps for the masses not to be deceived in the end days, which are closer than ever.

The Gospel is Jesus, not flat earth.
Salvation is through Jesus, not flat earth.

Thankfully the Flat earth debate has bought many flat earthers to God & his word as true to the letter.

And how many atheists have dismissed flat earthers as misinformed, or cranks, and therefore concluded that Christians are deluded?
How many many have been turned off the Gospel because of it?

 

[Apple Sky]

And how many atheists have dismissed flat earthers as misinformed, or cranks, and therefore concluded that Christians are deluded?
How many many have been turned off the Gospel because of it?

Not many, in fact it is nearly all, once they learn the truth through the scriptures there no turning back, like I said the Bible has nearly 200 passages pertaining to a level still earth.

 

[trophy33]

...like I said the Bible has nearly 200 passages pertaining to a level still earth.

Why do you think that the biblical authors have any authority regarding the shape of the Earth?