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Theologians, half of them haven't a clue when it comes down to Biblical cosmology.
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The problem is you are reading & listening to conspiracy theory crackpots rather than proper Bible expositors. Which means you have been duped. Try reading & listening to these creation apologetics groups for example, they have a number of articles on the subject:
"....to an observer in the Northern Hemisphere, Polaris appears almost exactly due north. Over the course of a night, the Earth’s rotation means that all stars appear to rotate around the North Celestial Pole. This includes Polaris as well, because it isn’t located exactly at the North Celestial Pole."Yes it is.
Of course not, but conspiracy theorists know better!Theologians, half of them haven't a clue when it comes down to Biblical cosmology.
No it isn't, otherwise it wouldn't move at all, which it does....constantly.
Of course not, but conspiracy theorists know better!
That's a contradiction. If it's constantly over the North Pole, it wouldn't move at all.
Yeah He saidBut just for drill, He didn't say that He was living water, He said that He would give her living water. And as far as we can tell from thr goispels, no one recoiled in horror at the idea. But here's what He said concerning the Eucharist:
Obviously there are differences but the question was can you see the similarities?I'd say not. Dramatically different context, and entirely different analogy.
E for effort, though.
Both are referring to how to receive eternal life, so no it’s not a duck and an airplane that’s just you refusing to admit the truth.And a duck is exacly the same as an airplane. Except the airplane.
Yeah well the last time I quoted John 6 you said it had nothing to do with the Eucharist, now you seem to have changed that story.He's still the Bread of Life.
You so conveniently omitted the question regarding whether you still get thirsty or hungry. If Jesus was speaking literally then Christians wouldn’t need to eat or drink anymore would they?
Because it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Eucharist. It's simly you playing at, "hey, look over there!" No worky,
AmenAnglican Catholic. We do agree on most things, though.
Was it a technical spec when God parted the Red Sea? Was it a technical spec when He stopped the Jordan river? Was it a technical spec when He destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah? No these were all historical events recorded in the scriptures just like the events that took place in Genesis 1. Your just creating your own strawman argument by creating the false narrative that I’m presenting Genesis 1 as a “technical spec” so that you can hide from the fact that it’s a historical event recorded in the scriptures that you don’t actually believe in. Hey if you don’t want to believe in it that’s fine but at least have the dignity and integrity to call it what it actually is.But He didn't try, because He wasn't writing technical specs.
I did that above by pointing out that both are referring to how we receive salvation.The water? It doesn't, have any riret connection. Care to try and establish one? I'd been keen to hear it.
That's a contradiction. If it's constantly over the North Pole, it wouldn't move at all.
As interpreted by conspiracy theorists, who haven't a clue about Hebrew or Greek.
It’s not a hard concept to grasp at all. I already proved to you that obviously God knew they were capable of understanding the concept of 10 million. You’re just pulling this idea that they couldn’t understand a billion out of thin air. You have nothing to support that statement at all.The Jews of X years BC? Of course they couldn't! A billion, seriously? Most moderns can't grasp it very well. Let's not be intentionally obtuse.
Yeah that’s one way He could’ve conveyed a long period of time between the creation events that they would’ve understood. Or He could’ve just used numbers if He wanted to like He did in Genesis 24:60. So your excuse that they couldn’t comprehend such a number is proven wrong by the scriptures themselves.I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall be blessed;“
Apparently not since we’re having this discussion on the topic. If six days was easier to comprehend than saying ten thousands of hundred thousands then we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now.And it would still have meant "a whole lot". Six was a lot easier to grasp, especially when dealing with long periods of time.
He gave six days you mean. That’s what the passages specifically state. Genesis 1, Genesis 2::2-3, and Exodus 20:11And in fact He didn't. He just game then six periods.
He managed to accomplish that in John 1 without giving and time frame at all.He could have left Genesis out altogether, except for the fact that He was conveying that He alone created the universe.
Actually the commandment was to rest, not to worship.By having a seven day week, with one day dedicated to worship. Got it.
Not a different sun, the light He created on day one. The light that He used to define day and night.I'll byte. The best I've heard from your lot is that there a a different sun that the Bible doesn't tell us about.
Why does it matter how it worked? We don’t need to know how it worked. All we need to know is what God told us about what it did.How'd it work without a sun?
You're right. So tell me about this other luminary that provided for days and nigyht before the sun was created. That's sure to scotch the last objection to your Six 24-hour Day Creation stuff. And I for one am keen to hear it.
Difficulties with what language?That probably speaks more to your difficulties with the language that anything else,
Yeah I do believe He will give us the Holy Spirit that will become a well of water springing up to eternal life.A: Because it's a ridiculous, obvious, and irrelevant red herring that was all you could manage to dredge up, and do you not in fact believe that Christ will give us the water of life? He says He will; have you reason to doubt His Word yet again?
I never doubted Him at all, I absolutely believe the metaphor He used here in reference to receiving Him within us.Amen. In what part of that do you doubt Him?
I believe all of the gospel not just the parts that coincide with science but all of it.Which you also reject. Help me, what parts of the Gospels do you bvelieve?
Do you believe 2 Timothy 2:12?Which you also reject. Help me, what parts of the Gospels do you bvelieve?
What does everyone think of the Flat Earth Theory?
Right. It means A Whole Lot.It’s not a hard concept to grasp at all.
...nothing at allI already proved...
OK, Do you have anything of substance to say, at all? Ever?You’re just pulling this idea that they couldn’t understand a billion out of thin air.
I'm still standing in awe of your discovery of the other unreported "not sun" that provided the "day and night" during pre-solar creation. But then, fundy's tend to thrive on creativity.You have nothing to support that statement at all.
That's nice. What's your excuse for your "six 24 hour days" not matching the geological data? At all? Is this the God Made It Look Old idiocy?So your excuse that they couldn’t comprehend such a number is proven wrong by the scriptures themselves.
Be good enough to explain how that worked. I could use a horselaughor two right now.Not a different sun, the light He created on day one. The light that He used to define day and night.
So I've heard. So, was light just kind of lying around, or did it come from something? If the latter, then what was it, exactly? And how do you know? Or, as it appears, you've just made up a pre-sun sun to keep your doctrine afloat.orning, one day.“”Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
Evenings and mornings, matey? You may have heard of them. As the world turns, different parts face the sun, or your hitherto unknown light source, you get evenings and mornings. . And when was it created, and why was it replaced by the sun?Why does it matter how it worked?
I'm sure you don't. <Laugh>We don’t need to know how it worked.
"It" being what, exactly? A pre-sun sun? A jar of lightnng bugs? God's flashlight?All we need to know is what God told us about what it did.
You seem to have said that before.”Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
Yeah, I reckon we're all in agreement on that.God created the light
You need a bit more than the simple existence of light to use it as a unit or measure of time, don't you?then He defined the light as day and the darkness as night and there was evening and morning.
OK, there's light, and there's darkness. How do they become measurements of time? You seem to be missing some vital components. <Laugh>Why do we need to discuss its composition and exact coordinates and position in order to know what He specifically said that it did?
And how long are they?What is day and night?
Sonuvagun.Day and night refer to the illumination or absence of illumination of the earth.
I 'm not sure how much of this kind of profounity I can digest, I may need t o sit down.Day and night are never ever used in reference to light pertaining to anything other than the illumination state of the earth.
How long is a day? How long is a night? If you;'re using them as a measurement of time, you'll need some to compare them to, won't you?Why are you ignoring the obvious definitions of the words day and night
"Usually"?Yes we commonly associate these with the position of our planet
So you just say one each of equals 24 hours (which it doesn't even on earth) and Call It A Day. <ROFL>in relation to the sun but when you don’t have a sun and God specifically says that He made light, called the light day and the darkness night that should be pretty simple for anyone to figure out what He’s telling us.
Again!? Didn't it work the first few times?”Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
The one where an evening and a morning are always 24 hours. Especially if there's no sun.Difficulties with what language?
"Take, eat, this is My Body" isn't a metaphor. Why can't you just believe what our Lord said? Oh, I forgot. It';s a Hard Saying, who can hear it?I never doubted Him at all, I absolutely believe the metaphor He used here in reference to receiving Him within us.
Except what our Lord explicitly said, because "well He can't have really meant that", can He?I believe all of the gospel not just the parts that coincide with science but all of it.
If my grandmother had had wheels would she have been a bicycle?If Paul or Timothy was to deny Christ would they receive eternal life just because they received the Eucharist worthily?
Gravity is just a theory as well, but it still keeps us from flying around street lights.
I'm still standing in awe of your discovery of the other unreported "not sun" that provided the "day and night" during pre-solar creation.
But then, fundy's tend to thrive on creativity.
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