Flat Earth Theory.

[prodromos]

If a globe earth, outer space, etc are supported by The Bible, post the Bibles supporting verses.

If we were to write down all the things we know exist which aren't mentioned in the Bible, the list would be endless.

 

[d taylor]

If we were to write down all the things we know exist which aren't mentioned in the Bible, the list would be endless.

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True, that is also said of what Jesus did while on earth.

 

[PIckleRelations]

What does everyone think of the Flat Earth Theory?
I have read some books on the subject.
I am convinced the Earth is round. I tend to go with the mainstream views.

It's real. There is no curvature.

 

[prodromos]

It's real. There is no curvature.

Then why does the horizon successively drop below eye as you view from higher elevations. If the Earth were flat, the horizon would always appear to be at eye level due to perspective, regardless of the elevation you viewed from.

 

[PIckleRelations]

Then why does the horizon successively drop below eye as you view from higher elevations. If the Earth were flat, the horizon would always appear to be at eye level due to perspective, regardless of the elevation you viewed from.

If it fell away, this wouldn't be a thing. There's no curve.

 

[Lost4words]

If it fell away, this wouldn't be a thing. There's no curve.

Fantasy. Pure and simple.

 

[HantsUK]

It's real. There is no curvature.

But a flat earth would look and behave completely differently to what we actually see.

If it fell away, this wouldn't be a thing. There's no curve.

Being able to sometimes see slightly further than expected is due to refraction. Refraction is well understood, except by the person narrating this video, who just tries to dismiss it by ridicule. Refraction has the biggest effect near water.

Atmospheric refraction is the bending of light from a straight line as it passes through the atmosphere. There are several factors influencing refraction – temperature, pressure and humidity amongst them – but the most important is the decrease of density with height.

Air is compressible and its density decreases exponentially with height. Light travels more easily through air of lower density. The route taken between two points by a light ray is the path that can be traversed in the least time. It is easier for light to travel along a route that passes upward through thinner air. As a result, the transition from cold dense air to thinner warmer air bends the light, and objects below the (geometric) horizon can become visible: in suitable weather conditions, we can actually see “beyond the horizon”

(from Seeing beyond the Horizon)

While a flat earth is far simpler to understand than a rotating globe earth, it does not agree with everyday observations.

There is an abundance of evidence that the earth is a globe, much of which contradicts a flat earth explanation. Here are some examples. Perhaps start by explaining how sunrise and sunset works on a flat earth.

Sunrise​

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Sunset​

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Remember that any explanation of sunrise must also explain sunset, midday sun and no sun at night, all at the same time for different places on the (allegedly) flat earth.​

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Size of the sun does not significantly change and always looks round.​

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You can see further out to sea from the top of a cliff or hill than lower down. For example, you cannot see an island 20 miles way when at or near sea level, but can see if from the top of a hill.​

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Ships go out of sight over the horizon from the bottom up.​

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Intercontinental flight times.​

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On a flat earth, the horizon should always be at eye level, even when on a mountain. It isn't.​

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Phases of the moon.​

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Eclipses​

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Seasons​

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Does not resort to any conspiracies for support.​

 

[HantsUK]

Salvation

Fortunately our Salvation does not depend on understanding how something works. We do not need to understand how birds navigate across oceans and continents as they migrate. Or how your car engine works. You don't even need to be aware of the 3GPP standards to use a mobile phone. And in this thread, understanding the shape and movement of the earth.

Bible

According to the Bible, God created "the heavens and the earth" - what we would now call "the universe". This is a basic orthodox Christian belief.

"And God saw that it was good" - Gen 1v10, 12, 18, 25.
"God saw all that he had made, and it was very good" Gen 1v31

Psalm 19 "The heavens declare the glory of God, the skies proclaim the work of his hands."

God did not create an illusion, but a world that can be observed, explored, and understood (to some extent). The God described in the Bible is not a god of deception. Science is the study of God's creation. It is not a choice between the Bible or science.

Fortunately the Bible generally describes the world around us from a human perspective, not from a detailed scientific view point, which very few people, if anyone, would be able to understand. The flat earth arguments show that many people do not understand even basic physics, basic geometry or basic maths.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Flat Earth is real.

I am currently on a US Navy Ship and we left Norfolk Virginia, stopped in Rota Spain, went through the Suez canal, and are currently in a not so friendly area. Not once did our clocks change, it is the same time back home as it is here. Honest. I just have never seen the sun rise at 9p.m.

 

[PIckleRelations]

But a flat earth would look and behave completely differently to what we actually see.

Being able to sometimes see slightly further than expected is due to refraction. Refraction is well understood, except by the person narrating this video, who just tries to dismiss it by ridicule. Refraction has the biggest effect near water.


(from Seeing beyond the Horizon)

While a flat earth is far simpler to understand than a rotating globe earth, it does not agree with everyday observations.

There is an abundance of evidence that the earth is a globe, much of which contradicts a flat earth explanation. Here are some examples. Perhaps start by explaining how sunrise and sunset works on a flat earth.

Sunrise​

​

Sunset​

​

Remember that any explanation of sunrise must also explain sunset, midday sun and no sun at night, all at the same time for different places on the (allegedly) flat earth.​

​

Size of the sun does not significantly change and always looks round.​

​

You can see further out to sea from the top of a cliff or hill than lower down. For example, you cannot see an island 20 miles way when at or near sea level, but can see if from the top of a hill.​

​

Ships go out of sight over the horizon from the bottom up.​

​

Intercontinental flight times.​

​

On a flat earth, the horizon should always be at eye level, even when on a mountain. It isn't.​

​

Phases of the moon.​

​

Eclipses​

​

Seasons​

​

Does not resort to any conspiracies for support.​

If you ever really looked into flat earth, you'd see that all that has been covered and answered. What you don't understand is that most people go into flat earth kicking and screaming due to our unwillingness to give up the globe paradigm we were all raised with. We all wanted it to go away, but there's no escaping our reality once you understand it. There is no area that hasn't been explored and explained. You can make your list as long as you want, but the flat earth community as a whole has already looked into it all.

When someone presents a list like this, all it tells me is that they have never really looked into the concept with any depth. All of your list is Flat Earth 101.

 

[d taylor]

Salvation

Fortunately our Salvation does not depend on understanding how something works. We do not need to understand how birds navigate across oceans and continents as they migrate. Or how your car engine works. You don't even need to be aware of the 3GPP standards to use a mobile phone. And in this thread, understanding the shape and movement of the earth.

Bible

According to the Bible, God created "the heavens and the earth" - what we would now call "the universe". This is a basic orthodox Christian belief.

"And God saw that it was good" - Gen 1v10, 12, 18, 25.
"God saw all that he had made, and it was very good" Gen 1v31

Psalm 19 "The heavens declare the glory of God, the skies proclaim the work of his hands."

God did not create an illusion, but a world that can be observed, explored, and understood (to some extent). The God described in the Bible is not a god of deception. Science is the study of God's creation. It is not a choice between the Bible or science.

Fortunately the Bible generally describes the world around us from a human perspective, not from a detailed scientific view point, which very few people, if anyone, would be able to understand. The flat earth arguments show that many people do not understand even basic physics, basic geometry or basic maths.

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The Bible is not written from a human perspective. It is God inspired accounts of events that do not need or use a human perspective, they are of a God inspired perspective.

This human perspective is simply a dodge, so people can say i believe The Bible , but i believe it as long as The Bible lines up with my science views.

 

[prodromos]

If it fell away,

There is no "if". It does fall away.

this wouldn't be a thing.

Refraction of light caused by varying air density is a well understood phenomenon, which is not included in the earth curve calculator, since it can vary considerably depending on conditions. If the photos in the video where taken at different times of the day and different seasons of the year, you would see different amounts of elevation of the distant mountains visible depending on air temperature and humidity.

 

[prodromos]

If you ever really looked into flat earth, you'd see that all that has been covered and answered. What you don't understand is that most people go into flat earth kicking and screaming due to our unwillingness to give up the globe paradigm we were all raised with. We all wanted it to go away, but there's no escaping our reality once you understand it. There is no area that hasn't been explored and explained. You can make your list as long as you want, but the flat earth community as a whole has already looked into it all.

When someone presents a list like this, all it tells me is that they have never really looked into the concept with any depth. All of your list is Flat Earth 101.

I'm sure you believe this, but it isn't remotely true. Every flat earth explanation fails.

 

[Lost4words]

If you ever really looked into flat earth, you'd see that all that has been covered and answered. What you don't understand is that most people go into flat earth kicking and screaming due to our unwillingness to give up the globe paradigm we were all raised with. We all wanted it to go away, but there's no escaping our reality once you understand it. There is no area that hasn't been explored and explained. You can make your list as long as you want, but the flat earth community as a whole has already looked into it all.

When someone presents a list like this, all it tells me is that they have never really looked into the concept with any depth. All of your list is Flat Earth 101.

When people start to believe in a flat earth it just shows that they are easily duped, gullible and fail to understand basic science and also grossly misinterpret God's word.

 

[Lost4words]

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The Bible is not written from a human perspective. It is God inspired accounts of events that do not need or use a human perspective, they are of a God inspired perspective.

This human perspective is simply a dodge, so people can say i believe The Bible , but i believe it as long as The Bible lines up with my science views.

Its called interpretation. Grossly misinterpreted scripture by those desperate to see a flat earth spring up from the word of God!

God didnt create a flat earth. No amount of twisting of scripture by flat earthers will produce that.

The earth is a globe.

Wake up flat earthers and see that you are not living on a flying pancake!!!

 

[d taylor]

Its called interpretation. Grossly misinterpreted scripture by those desperate to see a flat earth spring up from the word of God!

God didnt create a flat earth. No amount of twisting of scripture by flat earthers will produce that.

The earth is a globe.

Wake up flat earthers and see that you are not living on a flying pancake!!!

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The Bible interprets the The Bible, so show me from The Bible where i am misinterpreting The Bible.

 

[d taylor]

There is no "if". It does fall away.

Refraction of light caused by varying air density is a well understood phenomenon, which is not included in the earth curve calculator, since it can vary considerably depending on conditions. If the photos in the video where taken at different times of the day and different seasons of the year, you would see different amounts of elevation of the distant mountains visible depending on air temperature and humidity.

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So travling straight upward, at what height should the straight flat horizon began to show an arc

 

[d taylor]

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Accepting anything science says about God's creation is bringing lies into a church (especially if this is being preached from the pulpit). If you want to teach about God's creation use The Bible, why do you think it is in there. So when satan's lies about God's creation are brought up, the believer is equipped with The Bible to be able to say not so fast. Let me check what you are saying with God's creation account. Too bad that is not how most churches function.

 

[Lost4words]

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The Bible interprets the The Bible, so show me from The Bible where i am misinterpreting The Bible.

No need to show you as you clearly only interpret scripture to suit your very own unique belief system!

The Bible doesnt interpret itself. That is baloney. Man interprets what he reads. You misinterpret scripture massively trying to find a flat earth etc.

 

[prodromos]

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So travling straight upward, at what height should the straight flat horizon began to show an arc

You've been shown images from balloon cameras on other threads where the curve is discernable, even taking into account the distortion caused by wide angle lenses (straight lines are not distorted when they pass through the centre of the field of view)