flat earth debate

[Aldebaran]

LOL,
You are aware that the person observing the total eclipse, on occasion, can also observe the sun, fully risen, in the sky, at the same time... a total impossibility in the heilocentric model. Yet, It happens even today.

False. During a lunar eclipse, whether partial or total, the sun is not in the sky. Get your facts straight. You do care about facts, right? Plus, the rare time that it can happen was explained to you already: Saturday's Lunar Eclipse Will Include 'Impossible' Sight

 

[lasthero]

So, the fact that it moves the wrong direction.... and the sun is visible while you see the fully eclipsed moon... and you still think that it is the earths shadow? Maybe, just maybe... it isn't the earth... Kinda hard cast a shadow on something when the light isn't behind you.... just say'n.

I seem to recall it was explained to you before why that happens on extremely rare occasions.

Saturday's Lunar Eclipse Will Include 'Impossible' Sight

We know why it happens. We can even know WHEN it will happen.

Regardless, if it's not the Earth's shadow, that what else would it be? Heck, if the Moon is generated its own light, as you think it is, how can it have a shadow cast on it in the first place? And how are we able to predict when it will happen?

 

[MoneyGuy]

Well, IMO, the people on here who contribute to the arguments of either side...have my respect..

Those that sit in the wings and toss rotten tomatoes at the side that they disagree with.... should just observe.


To me.... and it may be just me... it reminds me of the kid watching a school fight, cheering and jeering one of the fighters...taunting and jeering and throwing sand at the one they hope to lose........ and if asked to join in..... runs away.

Feel free to put me on ignore. Before you invite me to do likewise I'll say that I find flatearthers amusing so I'll continue to read this. This gets us nowhere so I'll ignore your little chirps from here on.

 

[Allandavid]

LOL,

You are aware that the person observing the total eclipse, on occasion, can also observe the sun, fully risen, in the sky, at the same time... a total impossibility in the heilocentric model. Yet, It happens even today.





Ya, Already looked at that... all the diagrams have the sun way larger than the earth and the suns rays converging on the moon forming a triagular shape of illumination.

In the real world.. the sun and moon are the same size, in the sky. The moon totally blocks our the sun except for the corona.... the shadow, of any object, in this situation, will always be larger than the object casting said shadow..... But... you know... science... math....diagrams... sheeple.... on and on the ignorance goes... believe what your told not what you actually see.





So, the fact that it moves the wrong direction.... and the sun is visible while you see the fully eclipsed moon... and you still think that it is the earths shadow? Maybe, just maybe... it isn't the earth... Kinda hard cast a shadow on something when the light isn't behind you.... just say'n.

You what....???

You can see a lunar eclipse while the sun is fully risen...??

Some evidence would be useful...!

 

[JacksBratt]

I seem to recall it was explained to you before why that happens on extremely rare occasions.

Saturday's Lunar Eclipse Will Include 'Impossible' Sight

We know why it happens. We can even know WHEN it will happen.

Regardless, if it's not the Earth's shadow, that what else would it be? Heck, if the Moon is generated its own light, as you think it is, how can it have a shadow cast on it in the first place? And how are we able to predict when it will happen?

When you were a kid... did anyone tell you that if you made a mean or funny face at someone... that it would freeze that way forever?

How about...if you pick a hamster up by the tail.. it's eyes would fall out?
Here's another... sitting too close to the TV will make you need glasses... And, swallowed gum will stay in your stomach for ever, coffee stunts your growth, toads give you warts,

the list goes on... well... that's the same as the lie about the earths shadow covering the moon when the suns up..... sorry... I'm an adult now... that's impossible.

Yet, they will try all kinds of mirage and refraction type mumbo jumbo to deter you from understanding that something is wrong with eclipses......

 

[JacksBratt]

Feel free to put me on ignore. Before you invite me to do likewise I'll say that I find flatearthers amusing so I'll continue to read this. This gets us nowhere so I'll ignore your little chirps from here on.

Fine by me......However, I'm not a flat earther... I'm looking for truth. I'm not finding it in what I'm hearing from NASA. There are things about the FE that I can truly say that I'm not sold on.. same with the things I am actually seeing with the globe...

In the end.. my life won't change by this. Flat or round.... what is it really going to change in my life?

The big problem isn't "is it or isn't it". The real issue is "did they lie to us and are they still lying" plus. "what are they doing with all that money"?

So, you can laugh all you want... it's he who laughs last anyway, from what I recall.

 

[Allandavid]

Yet, they will try all kinds of mirage and refraction type mumbo jumbo to deter you from understanding that something is wrong with eclipses......

Yes, just close your mind when reality knocks too loudly...

You should realise that we can actually demonstrate the refractive properties of the atmosphere in a number of experiments and observations. Dismissing it as “mumbo jumbo” doesn’t alter that simple fact...

 

[JacksBratt]

You what....???

You can see a lunar eclipse while the sun is fully risen...??

Some evidence would be useful...!

Oh man... you need to catch up..

Not only does it happen but the whole science religion support staff say it's due to refraction....

Here:

Tonight's lunar eclipse is so unique, it's "impossible"

These must be the same people that said that eating onions would put hair on my chest.......

 

[JacksBratt]

Yes, just close your mind when reality knocks too loudly...

You should realise that we can actually demonstrate the refractive properties of the atmosphere in a number of experiments and observations. Dismissing it as “mumbo jumbo” doesn’t alter that simple fact...

Man.. too bad.... they got to you before your own common sense could kick in..


Now you are believing people that you don't know, telling you stuff that can't happen, based on things they make up, so that you don't believe something you can see with your own eyes...

 

[Allandavid]

Oh man... you need to catch up..

No, you need to be honest. You said that a lunar eclipse could be seen when the sun was “fully risen”...that is untrue.

Not only does it happen but the whole science religion support staff say it's due to refraction....

Then it didn’t actually happen...the refractive effect makes it APPEAR that the two bodies are above the horizon...just as the same effect makes it APPEAR that a pool of water has formed above a hot road. Or are you telling me that you’ve actually got wet from a mirage...?

 

[Allandavid]

Man.. too bad.... they got to you before your own common sense could kick in..


Now you are believing people that you don't know, telling you stuff that can't happen, based on things they make up, so that you don't believe something you can see with your own eyes...

No, I don’t have to believe “people”......

I can observe evidence with my own eyes...

You see, that’s the difference between empirical evidence and dogmatic belief...it doesn’t matter who is observing that evidence...it remains part of reality regardless.

 

[Allandavid]

Man.. too bad.... they got to you before your own common sense could kick in..


Now you are believing people that you don't know, telling you stuff that can't happen, based on things they make up, so that you don't believe something you can see with your own eyes...

Oh....and cowardly ad hominem noted....

 

[JacksBratt]

No, you need to be honest. You said that a lunar eclipse could be seen when the sun was “fully risen”...that is untrue.



Then it didn’t actually happen...the refractive effect makes it APPEAR that the two bodies are above the horizon...just as the same effect makes it APPEAR that a pool of water has formed above a hot road. Or are you telling me that you’ve actually got wet from a mirage...?

Oh Kay.......

 

[Radagast]

You can see a lunar eclipse while the sun is fully risen...??

Some evidence would be useful...!

[My bolding]

Yes, like a photograph, or a newspaper report.

 

[JacksBratt]

[My bolding]

Yes, like a photograph, or a newspaper report.

Ok, I'm at work so none of these will play. However, since these video's are out there... you can easily google "Lunar Eclipse while sun is up" and click the "video" tab at the top.

I doubt that anyone here will believe 1/ that they happen or 2/ if they do see that it happens, they will refuse to believe the logic that their brain is capable of and will drink the Koolaide of the science community that have to give an explanation to keep you from asking more questions.

Just like the diagrams that they show, of the solar eclipse, that have the sun much larger than the moon and the shadow converging on the earth.. which is not a truthful depiction of the event.... where the sun, although much farther away, and larger.... appears exactly the same size as the moon and as such the diagram should depict this and show the shadow getting bigger as it is projected on the earth, the same way it does when you make shadow puppets for your kids.....

I am very wary of scientists and media telling me that things I can see with my own eyes... are not happening... or that they happen due to mirages......

Try these... I have not viewed them and cannot.... so I apologize in advance for any content that may be unacceptable.

 

[Radagast]

Ok, I'm at work so none of these will play. However, since these video's are out there... you can easily google "Lunar Eclipse while sun is up" and click the "video" tab at the top.

Like a poorly faked video is going to fool anyone. And I don't think the author of that first video actually knows what a lunar eclipse is.

The second video shows that, in the pre-dawn light, a lunar eclipse is visible roughly 180 degrees opposite to the sun, as expected.

I am very wary of scientists and media telling me that things I can see with my own eyes... are not happening...

So, when you see them with your own eyes, take a photograph.

 

[lasthero]

Ok, I'm at work so none of these will play. However, since these video's are out there... you can easily google "Lunar Eclipse while sun is up" and click the "video" tab at the top.

I doubt that anyone here will believe 1/ that they happen or 2/ if they do see that it happens, they will refuse to believe the logic that their brain is capable of and will drink the Koolaide of the science community that have to give an explanation to keep you from asking more questions.

Just like the diagrams that they show, of the solar eclipse, that have the sun much larger than the moon and the shadow converging on the earth.. which is not a truthful depiction of the event.... where the sun, although much farther away, and larger.... appears exactly the same size as the moon and as such the diagram should depict this and show the shadow getting bigger as it is projected on the earth, the same way it does when you make shadow puppets for your kids.....

I am very wary of scientists and media telling me that things I can see with my own eyes... are not happening... or that they happen due to mirages......

Try these... I have not viewed them and cannot.... so I apologize in advance for any content that may be unacceptable.

I like how the guy in the second video you posted actually gives the explanation for Selenelion that you keep denying.

 

[Aldebaran]

Fine by me......However, I'm not a flat earther... I'm looking for truth. I'm not finding it in what I'm hearing from NASA.

You're not finding it by closing yourself off to anything other than what you think either.

In the end.. my life won't change by this. Flat or round.... what is it really going to change in my life?

Yeah, good question. What will it change?

The big problem isn't "is it or isn't it". The real issue is "did they lie to us and are they still lying" plus. "what are they doing with all that money"?

And you think that's going to change your life?

 

[Steve Petersen]

I am sure Flat-Earthers would love to call this issue a debate. It gives them the appearance of legitimacy which they have not earned.

 

[Aldebaran]

This poorly made video that starts out screaming about the earth being flat--is this the sort of evidence you look for on the internet and find convincing?