flat earth debate

[Trogdor the Burninator]

This is a very old and ACCURATE map of flat earth, you know, how maps always were until recently, The only thing we can't map, and neither can globers, is what's beyond the 360 degree ice wall that surrounds us.

The "ice wall" that not a single person has ever seen nor photographed? And it should be so easy - just rent a plane, fly to the edge, and take a photo.

As for this supposedly accurate map, as with all flat-earth maps, fails when you get to the southern hemisphere. South Africa further away from Australia than The UK? North America closer to us than Chile? It doesn't even come close to replicating transit times between countries.

 

[JackRT]

This is a very old and ACCURATE map of flat earth, you know, how maps always were until recently, The only thing we can't map, and neither can globers, is what's beyond the 360 degree ice wall that surrounds us. Do some research so you can have INFORMED opinions and questions. I have two threads on this now. One Biblical flat earth and one Conspiracy thread.

This map also greatly exaggerates the size of those land masses in the southern hemisphere. Australia, Africa and South America are greatly exaggerated particularly east/west and Antarctica is totally wrong. This map is so wrong that it is stupid.

 

[patrick jane]

The "ice wall" that not a single person has ever seen nor photographed? And it should be so easy - just rent a plane, fly to the edge, and take a photo.

As for this supposedly accurate map, as with all flat-earth maps, fails when you get to the southern hemisphere. South Africa further away from Australia than The UK? North America closer to us than Chile? It doesn't even come close to replicating transit times between countries.

The "ice wall" that not a single person has ever seen nor photographed? And it should be so easy - just rent a plane, fly to the edge, and take a photo.

As for this supposedly accurate map, as with all flat-earth maps, fails when you get to the southern hemisphere. South Africa further away from Australia than The UK? North America closer to us than Chile? It doesn't even come close to replicating transit times between countries.

Your globe fails miserably

 

[JackRT]

This map also greatly exaggerates the size of those land masses in the southern hemisphere. Australia, Africa and South America are greatly exaggerated particularly east/west and Antarctica is totally wrong. This map is so wrong that it is stupid.

For example, the distance between New York City and Los Angeles in the United States is almost exactly the same as the distance between Sydney and Perth in Australia. The first is 2800 miles and the second is 2700 miles. These distances are by actual on the ground survey. Now look at the map. Australia is illustrated as being more than twice as wide (east/west) as the United States. This is a total distortion of reality ---- this map is a complete and utter fraud based on the totally discredited flat earth theory.

 

[patrick jane]

The "ice wall" that not a single person has ever seen nor photographed? And it should be so easy - just rent a plane, fly to the edge, and take a photo.

As for this supposedly accurate map, as with all flat-earth maps, fails when you get to the southern hemisphere. South Africa further away from Australia than The UK? North America closer to us than Chile? It doesn't even come close to replicating transit times between countries.

Yor supposedly accurate globe is a farce. They won't allow anybody to investigate the ice wall, try it. Times zones are explained perfectly in flat earth. Any other doubts or questions you have, you can sear yourself by typing in "flat earth" in front or behind any question. See for yourself because if you ONLY SEARCH for globe proof that's all you'll ever find.

 

[patrick jane]

 

[JackRT]

These are hardly proofs at all:
1. constellation change? --- the distances are so great that we are unable to discern any parallax but the actual position of the constellations relative to the pole star do change due to precession of the earth's axis.
2. water to a ball? --- gravity.
3. flat horizon? --- the earth is large enough that curvature of the horizon is only discernible a great altitude, 60 miles or more.
4. rays through clouds?? --- the apparent convergence of crepuscular rays is a perspective effect, similar, for example, to the way that parallel railway lines seem to converge at a point in the distance.

 

[patrick jane]

These are hardly proofs at all:
1. constellation change? --- the distances are so great that we are unable to discern any parallax but the actual position of the constellations relative to the pole star do change due to precession of the earth's axis.
2. water to a ball? --- gravity.
3. flat horizon? --- the earth is large enough that curvature of the horizon is only discernible a great altitude, 60 miles or more.
4. rays through clouds?? --- the apparent convergence of crepuscular rays is a perspective effect, similar, for example, to the way that parallel railway lines seem to converge at a point in the distance.

Why can't we get a non CGI, photo shop, artist renderings and completely UNDOCTORED pictures from NASA or anybody else? Why not? Here's your magic gravity. It's still a 500 page THEORY, a theory like evolution and flat earth. If it's impossible in yopur OPINION then I wouldn't pay attention anymore. Like I tell people, if you don't search flat earth proof you'l only get more globe indoctrination. It's amazing how people fight so hard to keep their fling spinning "planet" and ignore the Bible and obvious proof. It's a sight to behold.

 

[JackRT]

Why can't we get a non CGI, photo shop, artist renderings and completely UNDOCTORED pictures from NASA or anybody else? Why not? Here's your magic gravity. It's still a 500 page THEORY, a theory like evolution and flat earth. If it's impossible in yopur OPINION then I wouldn't pay attention anymore. Like I tell people, if you don't search flat earth proof you'l only get more globe indoctrination. It's amazing how people fight so hard to keep their fling spinning "planet" and ignore the Bible and obvious proof. It's a sight to behold.

While the actual cause of gravity is still debatable with several competing theories, the effect of gravity is extremely well known and has been studied in detail since Galileo. Newton's law of gravity plus his laws of motion are still used today to navigate our solar system. Flat earth theory has to suspend the known laws of science and invoke magical thinking.

 

[patrick jane]

While the actual cause of gravity is still debatable with several competing theories, the effect of gravity is extremely well known and has been studied in detail since Galileo. Newton's law of gravity plus his laws of motion are still used today to navigate our solar system. Flat earth theory has to suspend the known laws of science and invoke magical thinking.

Sir, WE DO NOT "NAVIGATE THE SOLAR SYSTEM"

 

[JackRT]

And by the way, you use the word "theory" as if it was a wild ass guess. In fact, in science, theory is as good as it gets.
Someone with an open mind sees something happening in the natural world and thinks deeply about it. After long thought she comes up with a "I think it might have happened like this." This is what is called an hypothesis --- it might also be called an "educated guess". This forms the basis for further observation and experiment. After time the hypothesis looks better and better and begins to be regarded as a theory but not quite. A good theory must be falsifiable. So after some further thought about her theory she uses it to make a prediction about something that has never been observed before. This will be the basis of a brand new experiment. If the prediction is falsified, the theory will either have to be modified or rejected outright. This has happened many times in science. If the prediction is confirmed by the experiment then we now have a solid theory. This does not mean that it is set in stone because this process of prediction, experiment and confirmation will continue. A theory can never be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt because in science it is impossible to know absolutely everything about anything. However a theory can be disproven because there always remains the possibility that at some point in time something will be observed that will negate the theory.

 

[JackRT]

Sir, WE DO NOT "NAVIGATE THE SOLAR SYSTEM"

This is known as denial of reality and it is reason to be concerned about the mental stability of those in whom it is observed.

Dr. M. Scott Peck --- "One should accept reality no matter the consequences."

 

[patrick jane]

This is known as denial of reality and it is reason to be concerned about the mental stability of those in whom it is observed.

Dr. M. Scott Peck --- "One should accept reality no matter the consequences."

That's why I'm worried about you.

 

[patrick jane]

This is known as denial of reality and it is reason to be concerned about the mental stability of those in whom it is observed.

Dr. M. Scott Peck --- "One should accept reality no matter the consequences."

I'm not 100% sure but I already spent nearly 50 years knowing 100% for sure I was on a flying spinning ball. I'm spending a short time, God willing, on not believing the globe. Nobody can prove we're on a globe, that's what makes flat earth possible and intriguing, IMO. Many people who actually do their own research starts to question the globe model and science, These are the kinds of mass deceptions that only satan could pull off. Look how most people think evolution and the big bang are true, no need for God in that formula. Can you imagine how many people would turn To God through Jesus Christ if we found out the Bible true. BTW, the Bible has never been proven wrong on anything. If anybody thinks the Bible has been wrong about something, tell me and I'll tell you why it's true. I'll never be 100% sure I'm on a globe for the rest of my life and I look at the outdoors differently now. It's liberating.

“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.”

― Aristotle, Metaphysics

 

[SeventyOne]

I'm not 100% sure but I already spent nearly 50 years knowing 100% for sure I was on a flying spinning ball. I'm spending a short time, God willing, on not believing the globe. Nobody can prove we're on a globe, that's what makes flat earth possible and intriguing, IMO. Many people who actually do their own research starts to question the globe model and science, These are the kinds of mass deceptions that only satan could pull off. Look how most people think evolution and the big bang are true, no need for God in that formula. Can you imagine how many people would turn To God through Jesus Christ if we found out the Bible true. BTW, the Bible has never been proven wrong on anything. If anybody thinks the Bible has been wrong about something, tell me and I'll tell you why it's true. I'll never be 100% sure I'm on a globe for the rest of my life and I look at the outdoors differently now. It's liberating.

“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.”

― Aristotle, Metaphysics

The YouTube channel 'the Truth is stranger than fiction...' has put out numerous videos with just testimony after testimony of people who were saved as a result coming to a believing FE knowledge, then started searching for the Creator. Good fruit is good fruit. All the ball gives us is evolution and aliens.

 

[patrick jane]

The YouTube channel 'the Truth is stranger than fiction...' has put out numerous videos with just testimony after testimony of people who were saved as a result coming to a believing FE knowledge, then started searching for the Creator. Good fruit is good fruit. All the ball gives us is evolution and aliens.

That's my favorite channel and I'm subscribed with notifications. I too have watched the testimony videos and there are many different testimonies. I will post a few so people can see that this is not a doctrine but a serious consideration, especially with scripture. You help keep me going SeventyOne, God bless you. There are few others that support me also. I would continue even if nobody cared.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Your globe fails miserably

Well...

If you say so.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

For example, the distance between New York City and Los Angeles in the United States is almost exactly the same as the distance between Sydney and Perth in Australia. The first is 2800 miles and the second is 2700 miles. These distances are by actual on the ground survey. Now look at the map. Australia is illustrated as being more than twice as wide (east/west) as the United States. This is a total distortion of reality ---- this map is a complete and utter fraud based on the totally discredited flat earth theory.

Not to mention, if you wanted to fly between Sydney and Perth on a Flat Earth map, you would fly across the middle of Australia. Yet anyone who's actually flown this route knows that you head down over the Southern Ocean then back up again into Perth.

Then there's the "double sunrise" that you get flying from the UK to SE Asia, where you leave Heathrow just after sunrise, take a 12-13 hour flight and arrive to see another sunrise when you land.

None of which is explained by ridiculous flat earth maps

 

[patrick jane]

For example, the distance between New York City and Los Angeles in the United States is almost exactly the same as the distance between Sydney and Perth in Australia. The first is 2800 miles and the second is 2700 miles. These distances are by actual on the ground survey. Now look at the map. Australia is illustrated as being more than twice as wide (east/west) as the United States. This is a total distortion of reality ---- this map is a complete and utter fraud based on the totally discredited flat earth theory.

Here's some other maps. Remember though, the globe is not accurate either. Why is that? One image is an air map used by the military. You trust them don't you? I threw in a time zone map but I can provide more details and proof that they work on flat earth. You trust your maps and globe pictures and Fake images of Fake NASA, but you won't accept even partially any flat earth images. Odd.

 

[JackRT]

Remember though, the globe is not accurate either

The globe is as close to the reality of the earth as it is possible to get. Any attempt to display a curved surface on a flat surface (map) introduces a distortion. The flat earth map centered on the north pole totally distorts the southern hemisphere. A flat earth map centered on the south pole would equally distort the northern hemisphere. A great many attempts have been made to generate plane maps of the globe but all distort to one degree or another. The following article shows some of them;

List of map projections - Wikipedia