flat earth debate

[Shemjaza]

Maybe not in a straight line.

It didn't take three days.

On the flat Earth map it's more then twice the distance to South America then to North America... so how is it possible in approximately the same amount of time?

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

This might interest you.

Well, the "map" they show is interesting in that it shows Sydney to London being half the distance as Sydney - Santiago.

The route he claims the aircraft took has it flying almost right over Dallas. Which is interesting, since Qantas flies Sydney - Dallas too, which is one of the longest non-stop flight in the world, and around 5 hours longer than Sydney - Santiago.

Also -

 

[SeventyOne]

Well, the "map" they show is interesting in that it shows Sydney to London being half the distance as Sydney - Santiago.

The route he claims the aircraft took has it flying almost right over Dallas. Which is interesting, since Qantas flies Sydney - Dallas too, which is one of the longest non-stop flight in the world, and around 5 hours longer than Sydney - Santiago.

Also -

The video wasn't about a map. I think you missed the whole point.

 

[Shemjaza]

The video wasn't about a map. I think you missed the whole point.

So is the conjecture that this passenger plane is able to fly faster then the listed top speeds of a fighter plane, and did it for over 12 hours, over the continental USA, without anyone on the plane noticing that they weren't over the Pacific as expected?

 

[SeventyOne]

So is the conjecture that this passenger plane is able to fly faster then the listed top speeds of a fighter plane, and did it for over 12 hours, over the continental USA, without anyone on the plane noticing that they weren't over the Pacific as expected?

No.

 

[Shemjaza]

No.

Then what?

Santiago is vastly further from Sydney then North America, how are the flight comparable?

The flight path described in the video appears to be over North America, and the explanation for the compass of interference seems perfectly logical... in addition, even if the world was flat, it wouldn't be SSW once you were in between New Zealand and Australia anyway.

 

[SeventyOne]

Then what?

Santiago is vastly further from Sydney then North America, how are the flight comparable?

The flight path described in the video appears to be over North America, and the explanation for the compass of interference seems perfectly logical... in addition, even if the world was flat, it wouldn't be SSW once you were in between New Zealand and Australia anyway.

It has nothing to do with the map. That wasn't the point of the video. The point of the video was that the flight was not going in the direction it claimed to be going. The flight path wasn't as advertised, and came in from a completely different direction for hours than what they were telling the passengers.

You guys all get hung up on a map, when there is no official FE map. Missing the forest for the trees.

 

[Shemjaza]

It has nothing to do with the map. That wasn't the point of the video. The point of the video was that the flight was not going in the direction it claimed to be going. The flight path wasn't as advertised, and came in from a completely different direction for hours than what they were telling the passengers.

You guys all get hung up on a map, when there is no official FE map. Missing the forest for the trees.

As I said, the fixed compass direction doesn't really support anything but a compass not functioning correctly.

But we don't need this map specifically. The distance between locations in the southern semisphere are preposterous in the Flat Earth model... and because you aren't just claiming that intra southern hemisphere flights don't exist, you have to justify them somehow.

Your video seemed to propose the route I described, but if you have an alternative explanation, I'm curious.

 

[SeventyOne]

As I said, the fixed compass direction doesn't really support anything but a compass not functioning correctly.

But we don't need this map specifically. The distance between locations in the southern semisphere are preposterous in the Flat Earth model... and because you aren't just claiming that intra southern hemisphere flights don't exist, you have to justify them somehow.

Your video seemed to propose the route I described, but if you have an alternative explanation, I'm curious.

I'm not claiming anything, other than the flight path doesn't look to be as advertised. it's far too simple just to write it off as a malfunctioning compass when it was tested against others after the flight and shown to be working properly.

I don't particularly care if any one believes in a flat earth or a round earth. I consider myself a shape-agnostic because I can't figure out how all the independent curvature tests fail to document any curvature whatsoever. That said, once someone actually takes a look at the evidence without bias, they will discover the ball-earth concept has a great number of flaws as currently proposed. But if the mindset is always something like "obviously the compass doesn't work", they will never see what's right in front of them.

 

[Shemjaza]

I'm not claiming anything, other than the flight path doesn't look to be as advertised. it's far too simple just to write it off as a malfunctioning compass when it was tested against others after the flight and shown to be working properly.

I don't particularly care if any one believes in a flat earth or a round earth. I consider myself a shape-agnostic because I can't figure out how all the independent curvature tests fail to document any curvature whatsoever. That said, once someone actually takes a look at the evidence without bias, they will discover the ball-earth concept has a great number of flaws as currently proposed. But if the mindset is always something like "obviously the compass doesn't work", they will never see what's right in front of them.

But the compass didn't work.

He described it as remaining static for the rest of the flight... despite the Flat Earth having a magnetic pole effect.

Metal and electricity can cause problems for compasses. Both are common in high tech metal flying tubes.

Nothing ever seems to be explained in the Flat Earth model. Do you have any guesses about how this flight is possible in your model?

 

[SeventyOne]

But the compass didn't work.

He described it as remaining static for the rest of the flight... despite the Flat Earth having a magnetic pole effect.

Metal and electricity can cause problems for compasses. Both are common in high tech metal flying tubes.

Nothing ever seems to be explained in the Flat Earth model. Do you have any guesses about how this flight is possible in your model?

I don't have a model. I've already explained that. He explained it being that way for the last halt of the flight (not the first half), which would actually be a SW direction of several proposed FE models.

 

[Shemjaza]

I don't have a model. I've already explained that. He explained it being that way for the last halt of the flight (not the first half), which would actually be a SW direction of several proposed FE models.

No, it wouldn't. Even on the squashed, stretched out shape of the Flat Earth the direction between the southern oceans with A New Zealand on your right and Australia on your left is some kind of north.

 

[patrick jane]

No, it wouldn't. Even on the squashed, stretched out shape of the Flat Earth the direction between the southern oceans with A New Zealand on your right and Australia on your left is some kind of north.

If you were to head south no matter where on earth you start from and keep going south, you will hit the ice wall that surrounds us. Beyond the ice wall all the way around, lies thousands of miles of frozen land that we can't get to the end of.

 

[Shemjaza]

If you were to head south no matter where on earth you start from and keep going south, you will hit the ice wall that surrounds us. Beyond the ice wall all the way around, lies thousands of miles of frozen land that we can't get to the end of.

Doesn't this map demonstrate my issues with travel between South America and Australia? The preposterous distance and the fact that traveling between Australia and New Zealand will still be North?

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

If you were to head south no matter where on earth you start from and keep going south, you will hit the ice wall that surrounds us. Beyond the ice wall all the way around, lies thousands of miles of frozen land that we can't get to the end of.

If this is, again, part of a vast conspiracy, it seems strange that Qantas is flying jumbo jets full of people over Antarctica in this "exclusion zone" for photography tours. Even stranger that there have been zero pictures of any "ice wall"

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

I don't have a model. I've already explained that. He explained it being that way for the last halt of the flight (not the first half), which would actually be a SW direction of several proposed FE models.

Because of the position of the magnetic pole versus the "real" pole. Also convenient how he fell asleep for 5 hours which just happened to be the portion of the flight down near the Antarctic

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

You guys all get hung up on a map, when there is no official FE map. Missing the forest for the trees.

So you don't find it strange that Flat Earthers refuse to endorse any map - which just happens to be because precisely zero Flat Earth maps work when you get to the Southern Hemisphere.

 

[patrick jane]

So you don't find it strange that Flat Earthers refuse to endorse any map - which just happens to be because precisely zero Flat Earth maps work when you get to the Southern Hemisphere.

If you say so. Your globe map doesn't work either. Check into it.

 

[patrick jane]

So you don't find it strange that Flat Earthers refuse to endorse any map - which just happens to be because precisely zero Flat Earth maps work when you get to the Southern Hemisphere.

This is a very old and ACCURATE map of flat earth, you know, how maps always were until recently, The only thing we can't map, and neither can globers, is what's beyond the 360 degree ice wall that surrounds us. Do some research so you can have INFORMED opinions and questions. I have two threads on this now. One Biblical flat earth and one Conspiracy thread.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

If you say so. Your globe map doesn't work either. Check into it.

I don't just say so - millions of scientists, engineers, pilots, aircrew, and even general public say so. And that's because it's true and it works. Unlike the flat earth map.