yeshuaslavejeff
simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua
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No.Frankly it was God’s Grace and Mercy.
He sent Nathan to David confronting him with his sin and David convicted of his sin confessed and repented. Psalm 51 is his prayer of repentance.
Do you think as children of God when we sin that God in His Mercy and Grace confronts by the Holy Spirit?
No to what?
I only saw one question. Was there more ?No to what?
Your position is that the Holy Spirit does not convict us of sin?I only saw one question. Was there more ?
No.Your position is that the Holy Spirit does not convict us of sin?
Is it your point that as children of God we are in a state of sinless perfection?
No.Is it your point that as children of God we are in a state of sinless perfection?
Well thank you for the intense exchange.
Do you think Finney is right when he said:
the sinning Christian and the unconverted sinner are upon precisely the same ground (p. 46)."
Why were not David and Bathsheba stoned to death?
The point was the loss of Justification. Of course we are called to repent.Without repentance, what do you think?
I believe the measuring rod will be God’s Truth.Too many divisions.... technically, the Reformation should have / could have left us with only a handful of movements / churches / bodies. Lutherans, Calvinists, Anglicans, and Mennonites. That could have been it, four major branches, undivided from within, and essentially as they were theologically and practically in the 1500's. But what we have are thousands of sub-denominations. That is too much division.
Those who break from where they started and create more division, especially as leaders / preachers / authors will have, I believe, more to give an account of.
I send you a url/link shortly, explains a lot about "conviction". It is private(sort of) blog of someone else, why I don't put in open forum ..... is long blog, and not all correct....Well thank you for the intense exchange.
I'll send you the same link/ url I sent redleghunter if you want.If not the Holy Spirit who? Who can harden or soften hearts? Who is greater than our hearts? Seems to me, without conviction from the Holy Spirit, while there remains duty, the heart is apathetic and deceitful above all things who can understand it? Going through the dutiful motions without conviction, is like singing "Amazing Grace" at a funeral of an unrepentant sinner for the ten thousandth time. The heart is not in it, and while those around may hear a beautiful voice, God knows the heart. Sorry brother Jeff, forgive my ignorance in not understanding your response, or how you came to that conclusion, as it makes no sense to me.
I'll send you the same link/ url I sent redleghunter if you want. It is a very long one, and not altogether do I agree with it,
but the different facets and ways of seeing conviction (or lack of) provide a big picture
of this from the Bible - not like a short pick-a-verse answer could do.
Conviction is so lacking today, and not allowed many places, this is awkward here. (on the forum/ internet anywhere) ...
My take from reading the quote from Finney was one sin and one is no longer Justified.
Which to me shows his view is our Justification is not based on the Work of Christ but our own.
I think the gate the Reformers let open to make "Finnyism" possible was in the "free offer of the Gospel" doctrine. Which turns the gospel into law. So those who accept the terms when offered save themselves by obedience. Scripture however "preaches" the gospel saying all who believe have eternal life. So preaching is an announcement to all who believe about their good fortune. And not an offer for the self-righteous to use as a law for saving themselves.
We can start there. What do you think? Is he right and can we find Scriptural support for his statements? Is he wrong? If so where is Finney refuted from the Scriptures?
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