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Jason - the idea that people get saved and then can never sin again is ridiculous. Scriptures shows us cases which illustrate that that simply isn't true.

Your idea that people are lost every time they sin and need to be saved again and again and again after they sin is ridiculous.

That 2nd thru one millionth "saving" (as it were) is by confession and repentance you say. Yet you have clearly said that confession and repentance is a form of works.

Therefore you believe in a "first time" salvation which is ostensibly by faith and subsequent salvations of an unlimited number which are of works.

It's hard to know exactly where to even start with critiquing such an unscriptural portrait of the work of Jesus Christ.

It is truly another gospel.
 
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What did Jesus mean when he said "few will be saved?" There are billions of Christians out there! Christianity is the largest religion in the world! So surely many will be saved? What are we missing? Discuss.
So how many will be saved out of 2.200,000,000,000 billion x 2% = 44,000,000 million approximately.
 
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I'll say nothing about pastor Bob Jones except, get the away from me Satan.

No man has ascended to heaven except he that descended from heaven, the son of man, Jesus.

Every single verse in the Bible likens death to sleep. The dead know nothing, see nothing, feel nothing, hear nothing. They are asleep in the dust of the earth until the resurrection.

Now Bob Jones might have had his heart stop, and had dreams, but was not yet dead. As long as the mind is alive, man is still alive. Untill all activity ceases in the brain, one is not yet dead. Dreams and nightmares from the subconscious. Don't confuse that as any truth at all.
 
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I'll say nothing about pastor Bob Jones except, get the away from me Satan.

No man has ascended to heaven except he that descended from heaven, the son of man, Jesus.

Every single verse in the Bible likens death to sleep. The dead know nothing, see nothing, feel nothing, hear nothing. They are asleep in the dust of the earth until the resurrection.

Now Bob Jones might have had his heart stop, and had dreams, but was not yet dead. As long as the mind is alive, man is still alive. Untill all activity ceases in the brain, one is not yet dead. Dreams and nightmares from the subconscious. Don't confuse that as any truth at all.
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What did Jesus mean when he said "few will be saved?" There are billions of Christians out there! Christianity is the largest religion in the world! So surely many will be saved? What are we missing? Discuss.

HIS BOOK also says Whosoever shall who call upon the name of the LORD shall be saved.

There are all kinds of issues pertaining to the BIBLE that have verses that can lead people to see differently, NOT because of interpretation, but because one verse is given more clout than another.
Hence we have all the debate among ourselves over many different issues.

It would seem to me that GOD has HIS WORD written this way on purpose so that any of us would have to have HIS guidance to gain any true understanding.

When i say HIS guidance i primarily mean that GODS HOLY SPIRIT OF CHRIST LIKE LOVE FOR ALL PEOPLE is to be a real and active part of our lives. Self sacrificing, giving, without self pride in the acts of LOVE that GOD sets before us to do.... but realizing where the LOVE within us comes from.

Having said that..... it has happened that GOD has shown me that some things are not profitable to ponder on, and when i read JESUS saying these words i realize that the clout they should be given is much less than the clout we should give to those two commands that JESUS plainly tells us are greatest..... but when i do read " FEW WILL BE SAVED " it causes a bit of GODLY FEAR to rise within me, because i know that those who are going to be cast out, are those who deem themselves OK......

What we should be searching for is the MOST SURE WAY to know we are saved... and i am persuaded that when we find it..... it will be GODLY LOVE FOR ALL PEOPLE alive within us to cause us to do whatever we can to be a help and blessing to whom ever GOD puts in our path to show HIS LOVE to.
 
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What did Jesus mean when he said "few will be saved?" There are billions of Christians out there! Christianity is the largest religion in the world! So surely many will be saved? What are we missing? Discuss.
When I read the bible, especially the new testament writings, I can't help but think the modern church is falling short of the faith of the old days.
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This is based on the fruit that is said to follow the trust in God that is described in the bible.
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In terms of what is missing, it seems the bible has replaced the holy spirit's role as teacher of all things. The common response to this sentiment is quite telling as well, exactly. What do we do instead? Listening to God's voice ... with the doctrine "God can only say stuff that is written in the bible" it means God is given dialogue choices based on our own understanding ... making some things God wants to say ..lost in translation.
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What is the nature of salvation? This is something God does according to the Gospel of John. Are all people attending a church saved? Only God really knows that, so it's not right to assume.
 
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Jesus teaches--- Enter through the narrow gate, for cramped is the road that leads off into life, FEW are the ones finding it.( being saved, getting grace or salvation) For MANY have entered the broad and spacious path that leads to destruction.( lake of fire)
No mortal knows if another is going to be saved. They have no right telling anyone that. They are just assuming from words. They cannot read anothers heart.
 
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You really should not need a Bible verse to know this. But if you do, here are a few.

“If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.” (1 Corinthians 3:17).

“But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.” (Proverbs 8:36).

Suicide is self murder.

1 John 3:15 says,

“Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.”
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“But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul,” (2 Samuel 7:15).

Is someone a temple of God if they are unsaved and totally dedicated to evil?

I would imagine that God doesn't really care if they dispose of themselves at that point...
 
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Jesus teaches--- Enter through the narrow gate, for cramped is the road that leads off into life, FEW are the ones finding it.( being saved, getting grace or salvation) For MANY have entered the broad and spacious path that leads to destruction.( lake of fire)

No mortal knows if another is going to be saved. They have no right telling anyone that. They are just assuming from words. They cannot read anothers heart.

The wording means literally, "To groan" There was usually a hole in the 6 foot thick (Or thicker) walls of a major city to allow someone to shimmy through after hours if he didn't make it back in before the gates were closed. You literally lost skin squeezing through in places. Definitely not for fat people.

Now think on this. Did Jesus choose the wrong illustration? Was He mistaken? He was referring to the wide gates of the city that could pass 4 carts through at the same time, that had large crowds of people passing through easily, sometimes thousands an hour... easily. Now comparatively, how many people squeezed through the wall in a day. Understand that the "Many" who are on the broad path are those who KNOW Jesus is their Lord. They have no clue whatsoever that they aren't real Christians and that Jesus NEVER knew them. These people KNOW that they are right with God and that Jesus is their Lord. And they are doing everything every Christian is doing. Obviously if only one in thousands makes it.

Shouldn't that make people in "Christian" belief groups nervous? Shouldn't that result in every single person dedicating themselves to getting every single passage that "might" apply to the religious lost, and every single passage that "might" pertain to true Christians and then figuring out a consistent meaning of the words/root words/phrases as they are used throughout the N.T. and the Septuagint that Jesus and His disciples quoted from, holding fast to context, flow of thought and discussion, neither excluding any passages nor adding meaning, removing any meaning nor distorting any meaning to make it fit your beliefs, but getting the exact meaning of each and every passage and then combining ALL of it so nothing is left out and absolutely everything fits with everything else, again, without adding, subtracting or distorting anything … There are almost 450 passages, almost 1500 verses in the New Testament on this topic people! How many does your belief group “select” out to prove it’s beliefs are true?

Think about it. Look at the groups you believe, believe lies? What do they do?

1.) They gather passages, verses, facts, data, expert opinions … to prove their beliefs true.

2.) They gather passages, verses, facts, data, expert opinions … to prove all opposing beliefs false.

3.) They interpret all of their “selected” data in the light of their beliefs.

4.) Once they have proven their beliefs true beyond any shadow of a doubt it helps with interpreting everything else. The only correct interpretation of any passage has to fit with, or at least not negate, their beliefs, right?

Do this with any belief or set of beliefs and you can prove any belief under the sun to be correct. The more you gather things to prove your beliefs true, the more you gather things to prove all opposing beliefs false, the more you figure out how to interpret everything in the light of your beliefs, the further closed you are to even considering that your core beliefs might be wrong, the more closed you are at considering that another belief that contradicts yours could be right. Your eyes and ears are closed and you are hardened into believing whatever it was you got convinced of in the first place.

Look at that process people.

How much data must you gather to prove your current beliefs true before you recognize that that belief is a lie? Answer: It’ll never happen. You aren’t looking for that.

How much data must you gather to prove all opposing beliefs false before you see that you were wrong and that that belief is actually the truth? Answer: It will never happen. You aren’t looking for that.

How much data, how many passages … must you figure out how to interpret in the light of your beliefs before you see that your beliefs are wrong? Answer: You will never ever see, you will never ever hear, because you have closed your eyes and ears lest you see and hear and return to God?

If you use that methodology above and hold to your core beliefs as infallible, as unquestionably true, do you seek truth? Do you want ANYTHING at all to do with truth? Do you love truth? What do you love? You love your beliefs, right? You are getting what you are seeking are you not? You are getting what you want, are you not?

People: Wake UP!

I can’t seek truth for you. Yes I am putting out a book called, “Salvation: According to the Book”, BUT YOU CAN’T TRUST ME! If Jesus is right only 1 in 5000 has the correct gospel in the first place. Do you get that. No religious leader, teacher, prophet … is trustworthy. Yes, no matter what you “want” to believe EVERYONE from every belief group gets what they need to believe their beliefs, their gospel, their belief group … has the truth. If that’s what you go with, you deserve what you get.

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Yes, it starts out about the lost in the end times, “but” Paul applies the same standard to those alive then in verse 13 and says that they pass this exact same test. Examine yourselves to see if you really are in the faith, or in fact do you fail the test? And don’t compare yourselves with yourselves… that is most definitely NOT wise.

Look at all the people you believe have completely missed the boat and aren't Christians in spite of what they believe. Is 2Th 2:10-12 not fully descriptive of where they are at? Where are you at?

Final thing. It's not only ourselves who we are to check to see if we pass the test. After telling people that they should examine themselves, he says, "I trust that you will see that we do not fail the test."

Get EVERYTHING God says on the topic, all the differences, every attitude, every response, every single piece and be a workman who need not stand ashamed before God because you cut every single piece out straight. Keep on continuously proving all things over and over again as a habit and way of live and hold fast to that which is true/good no matter what it does to your beliefs OR Keep proving your beliefs true and hold fast to them. Pick one.

Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
 
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The wording means literally, "To groan" There was usually a hole in the 6 foot thick (Or thicker) walls of a major city to allow someone to shimmy through after hours if he didn't make it back in before the gates were closed. You literally lost skin squeezing through in places. Definitely not for fat people.

Now think on this. Did Jesus choose the wrong illustration? Was He mistaken? He was referring to the wide gates of the city that could pass 4 carts through at the same time, that had large crowds of people passing through easily, sometimes thousands an hour... easily. Now comparatively, how many people squeezed through the wall in a day. Understand that the "Many" who are on the broad path are those who KNOW Jesus is their Lord. They have no clue whatsoever that they aren't real Christians and that Jesus NEVER knew them. These people KNOW that they are right with God and that Jesus is their Lord. And they are doing everything every Christian is doing. Obviously if only one in thousands makes it.

Shouldn't that make people in "Christian" belief groups nervous? Shouldn't that result in every single person dedicating themselves to getting every single passage that "might" apply to the religious lost, and every single passage that "might" pertain to true Christians and then figuring out a consistent meaning of the words/root words/phrases as they are used throughout the N.T. and the Septuagint that Jesus and His disciples quoted from, holding fast to context, flow of thought and discussion, neither excluding any passages nor adding meaning, removing any meaning nor distorting any meaning to make it fit your beliefs, but getting the exact meaning of each and every passage and then combining ALL of it so nothing is left out and absolutely everything fits with everything else, again, without adding, subtracting or distorting anything … There are almost 450 passages, almost 1500 verses in the New Testament on this topic people! How many does your belief group “select” out to prove it’s beliefs are true?

Think about it. Look at the groups you believe, believe lies? What do they do?

1.) They gather passages, verses, facts, data, expert opinions … to prove their beliefs true.

2.) They gather passages, verses, facts, data, expert opinions … to prove all opposing beliefs false.

3.) They interpret all of their “selected” data in the light of their beliefs.

4.) Once they have proven their beliefs true beyond any shadow of a doubt it helps with interpreting everything else. The only correct interpretation of any passage has to fit with, or at least not negate, their beliefs, right?

Do this with any belief or set of beliefs and you can prove any belief under the sun to be correct. The more you gather things to prove your beliefs true, the more you gather things to prove all opposing beliefs false, the more you figure out how to interpret everything in the light of your beliefs, the further closed you are to even considering that your core beliefs might be wrong, the more closed you are at considering that another belief that contradicts yours could be right. Your eyes and ears are closed and you are hardened into believing whatever it was you got convinced of in the first place.

Look at that process people.

How much data must you gather to prove your current beliefs true before you recognize that that belief is a lie? Answer: It’ll never happen. You aren’t looking for that.

How much data must you gather to prove all opposing beliefs false before you see that you were wrong and that that belief is actually the truth? Answer: It will never happen. You aren’t looking for that.

How much data, how many passages … must you figure out how to interpret in the light of your beliefs before you see that your beliefs are wrong? Answer: You will never ever see, you will never ever hear, because you have closed your eyes and ears lest you see and hear and return to God?

If you use that methodology above and hold to your core beliefs as infallible, as unquestionably true, do you seek truth? Do you want ANYTHING at all to do with truth? Do you love truth? What do you love? You love your beliefs, right? You are getting what you are seeking are you not? You are getting what you want, are you not?

People: Wake UP!

I can’t seek truth for you. Yes I am putting out a book called, “Salvation: According to the Book”, BUT YOU CAN’T TRUST ME! If Jesus is right only 1 in 5000 has the correct gospel in the first place. Do you get that. No religious leader, teacher, prophet … is trustworthy. Yes, no matter what you “want” to believe EVERYONE from every belief group gets what they need to believe their beliefs, their gospel, their belief group … has the truth. If that’s what you go with, you deserve what you get.

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Yes, it starts out about the lost in the end times, “but” Paul applies the same standard to those alive then in verse 13 and says that they pass this exact same test. Examine yourselves to see if you really are in the faith, or in fact do you fail the test? And don’t compare yourselves with yourselves… that is most definitely NOT wise.

Look at all the people you believe have completely missed the boat and aren't Christians in spite of what they believe. Is 2Th 2:10-12 not fully descriptive of where they are at? Where are you at?

I'm not understanding where you are going with this. So we have to figure out what the exact truth is or God is going to burn our worthless asses in the eternal fire pit?

This makes me think that those born with severe intellectual disabilities might actually be truly blessed....
 
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I'm not understanding where you are going with this. So we have to figure out what the exact truth is or God is going to burn our worthless asses in the eternal fire pit?

This makes me think that those born with severe intellectual disabilities might actually be truly blessed....

Anyone who never mentally or Physically makes it to the age of reason (12-14 for most) is going to make it from what I read. As David said of his dead child, he cannot come to me but I will go to him. So yes, being mentally challenged is a way in. The rest of the people that suppress, reject, exchange the truth of God for a lie ... (Rom. 1:18-32) be they religious or not, get the same end result. Don't trust me though get all the data, cut it all out straight and figure it out for yourselves. I can't love truth "for" anyone but me. Everyone else gets what they want. If they don't "want" to get to the truth and subject all of their beliefs and their life to it, God won't force them.
 
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Perspective...

Estimates of over 100 Billion people EVER born, which obviously is a number daily increasing.
Millions SAVED, would comparatively BE FEW.

God Bless,
SBC

and if only a few million are saved then the cross was a MISERABLE FAILURE! We would be better off looking for a different god...

The number needs to be much much larger than that!
 
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Jason - the idea that people get saved and then can never sin again is ridiculous. Scriptures shows us cases which illustrate that that simply isn't true.

Your idea that people are lost every time they sin and need to be saved again and again and again after they sin is ridiculous.

That 2nd thru one millionth "saving" (as it were) is by confession and repentance you say. Yet you have clearly said that confession and repentance is a form of works.

Therefore you believe in a "first time" salvation which is ostensibly by faith and subsequent salvations of an unlimited number which are of works.

It's hard to know exactly where to even start with critiquing such an unscriptural portrait of the work of Jesus Christ.

It is truly another gospel.

Paul says,
"...the wages of sin is death;"
(Romans 6:23)

"Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee." (Acts of the Apostles 8:22).

9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

As for your reference to the gospel:

Actually, most (and possibly not all) Eternal Security proponents only believe in a half gospel or a milk type only gospel (i.e. The gospel's initial portion that tells them to believe in His death and resurrection - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). This is the milk of the Word that the Corinthians could only accept. It was the only message they could bear because they were still yet carnal (See 1 Corinthians 3:2-3). It's why Paul said he came not to know anything among the Corinthians accept Jesus and Him crucified (1 Corinthians 2:2) because they would not be able to bear the second half of the message of the gospel (i.e. the meat of the Word).

The majority of Eternal Security proponents do not believe in the Bible's full or complete gospel (i.e. the meat of the Word). The second half or truth of the gospel is that Christ died so as to redeem us from all iniquity and so as to live holy and be zealous of good works.

Ephesians 5:25-27
25 “even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.”

Titus 2:14
“Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.”

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14
13 "...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, "

Romans 15:18-19
18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ has not accomplished through me, in word and deed, to make the Gentiles obedient —
19 in mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God, so that from Jerusalem and round about to Illyricum I have fully preached the gospel of Christ. NKJV

Romans 1:16-18
16 “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;”

Hebrews 5:9
"And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, NKJV

Romans 1:16-17 says,
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith." NKJV

What is this faith look like?

James 2:17
“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.”

James 2:24
“Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.”

James 2:18
“shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.”

Hebrews 9:14
“How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God.”

Titus 3:8
“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works.”

1 Peter 4:1-2
1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God

Colossians 1:21-23
21 “And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister.”

Colossians 2:6-7
6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith,as ye have been taught,”

1 John 1:7
“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”
 
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Anyone who never mentally or Physically makes it to the age of reason (12-14 for most) is going to make it from what I read. As David said of his dead child, he cannot come to me but I will go to him. So yes, being mentally challenged is a way in. The rest of the people that suppress, reject, exchange the truth of God for a lie ... (Rom. 1:18-32) be they religious or not, get the same end result. Don't trust me though get all the data, cut it all out straight and figure it out for yourselves. I can't love truth "for" anyone but me. Everyone else gets what they want. If they don't "want" to get to the truth and subject all of their beliefs and their life to it, God won't force them.

So is it about WANTING the truth or HAVING the truth. Those are two very different things.

I can say with great confidence that I desire the truth but if you actually have to get this all figured out....might as well drink myself into an early grave :/
 
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and if only a few million are saved then the cross was a MISERABLE FAILURE! We would be better off looking for a different god...

The number needs to be much much larger than that!

Why? You have the choice. You will get what you want. All those that keep on continuously seeking, and never stop seeking the truth because they received a love of the truth so as to be saved will get what they want as well. If they suppress, reject and exchange the truth of God for a lie and reject a love of the truth, then they get what they want as well. They can die with the beliefs they love intact. Every body either loves what they believe or they love truth. That which they love least is always forced to conform to that which they love most.

And why is this a failure. Only those that really want to get to the truth and really love truth are going to be "Subject" to His will for eternity. What makes you think that anyone who categorically refuses to do what it takes to get to the truth now, and fails to subject all of their beliefs and life to it would want to spend an eternity doing what they avoided for a lifetime?

God only wants those who will worship Him in spirit AND truth. Since it's your choice, if you don't like it ... CHANGE IT!
 
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So is it about WANTING the truth or HAVING the truth. Those are two very different things.

I can say with great confidence that I desire the truth but if you actually have to get this all figured out....might as well drink myself into an early grave :/

If that's the way you feel then you really are quite happy with whatever it is you get. Getting to truth is a TON of work, and if you love it you will spend a lifetime seeking it, continuously proving ALL things over and over again as a habit and way of life and holding fast to what is good/true even if it destroys your current beliefs. Trust me. That's not for everyone. Most of the people in the world are quite happy with what they already believe is true.
 
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Why? You have the choice. You will get what you want. All those that keep on continuously seeking, and never stop seeking the truth because they received a love of the truth so as to be saved will get what they want as well. If they suppress, reject and exchange the truth of God for a lie and reject a love of the truth, then they get what they want as well. They can die with the beliefs they love intact. Every body either loves what they believe or they love truth. That which they love least is always forced to conform to that which they love most.

And why is this a failure. Only those that really want to get to the truth and really love truth are going to be "Subject" to His will for eternity. What makes you think that anyone who categorically refuses to do what it takes to get to the truth now, and fails to subject all of their beliefs and life to it would want to spend an eternity doing what they avoided for a lifetime?

God only wants those who will worship Him in spirit AND truth. Since it's your choice, if you don't like it ... CHANGE IT!

why would God create a species where a gigantic percentage of its members would be stupid enough to hate truth?

I'm just not getting this. Earth is a huge flop!

It gets even more complicated when I'm commanded to love a lost cause.
 
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why would God create a species where a gigantic percentage of its members would be stupid enough to hate truth?

I'm just not getting this. Earth is a huge flop!

He created a species that has a choice. What we choose is our business. Be happy with what you believe right now, or decide that you will do everything in your power to get to the truth and alter your beliefs and your life to fit. Most will simply live out their lives in whatever belief group they are in now and will just assume they are correct, and close their eyes and ears lest they see or hear what is really wrong with those beliefs.
 
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He created a species that has a choice. What we choose is our business. Be happy with what you believe right now, or decide that you will do everything in your power to get to the truth and alter your beliefs and your life to fit. Most will simply live out their lives in whatever belief group they are in now and will just assume they are correct, and close their eyes and ears lest they see or hear what is really wrong with those beliefs.

People don't just assume they are correct. In fact they are terrified of thinking because asking questions leads to social ostracism almost everywhere or even execution in some countries!

Imagine that you live in North Korea. How eager are you to question dear leader? Will you grab that Bible if it means you get to watch your whole family put to the firing squad? You probably won't even get past Genesis before you lose everything!

The Bible makes it very clear that the path of a Christian is extremely dangerous. Even here in the developed world we have serious social pressures against it.

You don't choose this unless you have absolute undeniable proof that this is the true God and that you are definitely saved and going to heaven. The apostles didn't make that cut! Not until they saw Jesus raised!

Christ asks an enormous amount of humanity. The risk is so high that the cross doesn't really even the odds that much. It increases your probability of getting into heaven from 0% to maybe 0.0000000001% if you are a risk-taker at heart...even then double check your thoughts because you might be missing something.

If all of this is a simple as just saying "Jesus if somehow you are real then I choose you even if I'm not sure if you are real because life is hopeless right now" then feel free to completely disregard everything I just wrote :)
 
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