Federal Judge: Denver Police cannot use tear gas on peaceful protesters.

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Judge Grants Order Limiting Use Of Tear Gas, Projectiles At Denver Protests

A federal judge in Colorado issued a temporary restraining order Friday night banning the Denver Police Department from using chemical weapons or projectiles on peaceful protesters.

Judge R. Brooke Jackson's ruling bans officers from using such weapons unless an on scene supervisor "specifically authorizes such use of force in response to specific acts of violence." The ruling goes into effect immediately as protests in Denver over the killing of George Floyd continue.

In his 11-page ruling, Jackson called some of the department's behaviors against demonstrators "disgusting." Responding to a lawsuit filed on behalf of several protesters, Jackson said the department's use of pepper spray and projectiles against protesters who appeared to be standing peacefully quashed their First Amendment rights and caused serious bodily injury including broken facial bones and vision loss. The plaintiffs also cited incidents of officers targeting journalists and medics.

Score one for the First Amendment.

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We had to deal with that by physically detaining individuals, and dragging them to the cops. People will have to accept conflict/confrontations with aggressors from within, and remove them, if you want to protest without the cops gassing the good guys in the crowd.

That delineation between 'us and them', as in what 'we' as a body or group finds to be acceptable behavior needs to be set, and enforced within the protesters.

Otherwise, they will just bring down violence on the entire group, by allowing rioters to remain among them.
 
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We had to deal with that by physically detaining individuals, and dragging them to the cops. People will have to accept conflict/confrontations with aggressors from within, and remove them, if you want to protest without the cops gassing the good guys in the crowd.

That delineation between 'us and them', as in what 'we' as a body or group finds to be acceptable behavior needs to be set, and enforced within the protesters.

Otherwise, they will just bring down violence on the entire group, by allowing rioters to remain among them.


I think the whole point of the ruling is that the protesters were peaceful. The problem seems to be police indiscriminately "gassing the "good guys" when there were no "bad guys".

Responding to a lawsuit filed on behalf of several protesters, Jackson said the department's use of pepper spray and projectiles against protesters who appeared to be standing peacefully quashed their First Amendment rights and caused serious bodily injury including broken facial bones and vision loss.
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I think the whole point of the ruling is that the protesters were peaceful. The problem seems to be police indiscriminately "gassing the "good guys" when there were no "bad guys".

Responding to a lawsuit filed on behalf of several protesters, Jackson said the department's use of pepper spray and projectiles against protesters who appeared to be standing peacefully quashed their First Amendment rights and caused serious bodily injury including broken facial bones and vision loss.
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This is an attempted hostile take over by limiting our polices responses, defunding them, and removing the Nation Guard against providing assistance. Just so happens to coincide with an ongoing political coup, and an election year concerning the sitting president that the insurgency wishes to be removed.

No one is fooled... this will get shut down.
 
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This is an attempted hostile take over by limiting our polices responses, defunding them, and removing the Nation Guard against providing assistance. Just so happens to coincide with an ongoing political coup, and an election year concerning the sitting president that the insurgency wishes to be removed.

No one is fooled... this will get shut down.


The Conspiracy Theories Forum is that >>>>>> way.

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Come on... how stupid do we have to be to fall for that? Defund police. Remove the Nation Guard. Make it illegal to use less than lethal force. Make it immoral to even defend yourself. Mayors asking police forces to stand down.

Oh, and by the way remove the fence around the White House, so we can "access it from all sides"


Yeah, sure... right away. o_O

They want optics...

Breaking News: Trump White House Burns to the ground!!


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Oh, and by the way remove the fence around the White House, so we can "access it from all sides"

Don't worry LM.

If the Silent Ninja Assassins make it through the first fence they'll still be "greeted with the most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons".

And You-Know-Who will be safely tucked up in his Bunker.

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Don't worry LM.

Who is worried?

The same women that is asking for the removal of fences states it is not the DC's polices job to defend the WH. So you can't have police, military, GOV LEO, or the Nat guard defend the WH... so who is supposed to defend it? Just Secret Service? Against thousands of people?

You can make fun, mock ridicule and rant all you want. You ain't getting that building. No one holding my views is ashamed. Or embarrassed. Or confused about what is intended nor what our response will be.

I am down with the FMJ flying at that point.
 
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Who is worried?

The same women that is asking for the removal of fences states it is not the DC's polices job to defend the WH. So you can't have police, military, GOV LEO, or the Nat guard defend the WH... so who is supposed to defend it? Just Secret Service? Against thousands of people?

You can make fun, mock ridicule and rant all you want. You ain't getting that building. No one holding my views is ashamed. Or embarrassed. Or confused about what is intended nor what our response will be.

I am down with the FMJ flying at that point.

It's good to see you're taking all of this in your stride and not making the mistake of overreacting.

OB
 
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It's good to see you're taking all of this in your stride and not making the mistake of overreacting.

'Overreacting'... let us discuss 'overreacting'.

I dont own any guns.

In the last 3 moths, more fire arms have been sold than the military itself owns. Fact: The U.S. military holds about 4.5 million guns, and state and local police have just over 1 million. Over 6 million firearms and 20 million rounds of ammo have been sold since March. An est 300 million guns, billions of rounds of ammo are in civilian America, and the vast majority of what is in civilian hands are held by the right.

And the right is going back the blue, and our military.

Something happens to the White House, we will need a new term. "Overreacting" isn't going to do. And Trump knows that. God forbid something actually happened to Trump. I don't think people understand the size of that bear they keep kicking to wake it up.

 
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This is an attempted hostile take over by limiting our polices responses, defunding them, and removing the Nation Guard against providing assistance. Just so happens to coincide with an ongoing political coup, and an election year concerning the sitting president that the insurgency wishes to be removed.

Quite the opposite - it's clearly a ploy so that crisis actors from the government can execute a false flag operation posing as protesters, so the government can execute its military takeover. Why else would national guardsmen be patrolling neighbourhoods in armoured vehicles and be pictured arming with bayonettes? Why else would the police be systematically attacking the press?
 
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So the government can execute its military takeover.

Let's be honest... you were told the swamp was going to be drained. You cannot use the powers that be to remove themselves. Remember military tribunals? Do you remember that? Mass arrest of Gov officials? These riots just gave Trump the justifications to come out smelling like a bed of roses.

Why else would national guardsmen be patrolling neighborhoods in armored vehicles and be pictured arming with bayonets?

Because this is war. Laugh it up. Individuals are attempting to remove a sitting president illegally, and destroy our democracy. People thought for years this was a joke. I remember it being called the "redneck rebellion" at one time.

We have discussed it in open forum even posting trains carrying armor into the US. Troops being called back to US on active duty in the US. Its all laughable conspiracy theory.

How funny are we now?

Why else would the police be systematically attacking the press?

That is because some, not all, have been operating as look outs rather than passive observers. Some were using their press credentials to pass information or warnings along to rioters. That one is a touch and go subject.
 
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Quite the opposite - it's clearly a ploy so that crisis actors from the government can execute a false flag operation posing as protesters, so the government can execute its military takeover. Why else would national guardsmen be patrolling neighbourhoods in armoured vehicles and be pictured arming with bayonettes? Why else would the police be systematically attacking the press?

It can be hard for Americans to avoid or recognize the behavior of a national collapse because America has never collapsed, and Americans believe it will never collapse.

It can be hard for Americans to avoid or recognize the behavior of false flags, despite the historic application, because Americans have a romantic relationship with Government.

America will not recover because it is a sea of ideologies fighting for hegemony in a nation that sees its people as commodities and consumers. Very few will admit they do not care about certain types of citizens, and many are fighting with their conscience trying to juxtaposition what prejudices they have learned from their family and friends, and the conviction they feel for what they know is right. America makes it easy to repeat history and ignore convictions with many distractions (in the form of ideologies) and an inflated sense of civil competition.


So when they are supporting clear instances of abuse because the particular person doesn't look like an appropriate human to the psyche (i.e. because of prejudices), they don't realize that this is a step in totalitarianism. I am quite surprised America, having been so involved in coups and regime change around the world, cannot see when it is being destabilized from the inside. People don't get it because they don't have to get it. But, beware of the precipice of collapse: that will be when many who couldn't bat an eye for "others'" justice will beg for someone to be humane to them. At this point it is inescapable history in the making.

Trump will remain in office.
 
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Not unusual for the courts to make decisions that are not well thought out. If the police are using force unnecessarily the state ag needs to take action. The judge should not limit the options that may be needed to protect lives. It is an absolute certainty that the judge is not going down in his robes and stopping agitators in the crowd from killing someone.
 
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This is an attempted hostile take over by limiting our polices responses, defunding them, and removing the Nation Guard against providing assistance. Just so happens to coincide with an ongoing political coup, and an election year concerning the sitting president that the insurgency wishes to be removed.

No one is fooled... this will get shut down.

A hostile takeover by whom? The courts?
 
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Not unusual for the courts to make decisions that are not well thought out. If the police are using force unnecessarily the state ag needs to take action. The judge should not limit the options that may be needed to protect lives. It is an absolute certainty that the judge is not going down in his robes and stopping agitators in the crowd from killing someone.

"Don't gas the crowd unless they're getting violent" sounds like it'll save lives.
 
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Who is worried?

The same women that is asking for the removal of fences states it is not the DC's polices job to defend the WH. So you can't have police, military, GOV LEO, or the Nat guard defend the WH... so who is supposed to defend it? Just Secret Service? Against thousands of people?

You can make fun, mock ridicule and rant all you want. You ain't getting that building. No one holding my views is ashamed. Or embarrassed. Or confused about what is intended nor what our response will be.

I am down with the FMJ flying at that point.

LM, could be less sugar and restrictions on TV after 9pm might help.
 
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Let's be honest... you were told the swamp was going to be drained. You cannot use the powers that be to remove themselves. Remember military tribunals? Do you remember that? Mass arrest of Gov officials? These riots just gave Trump the justifications to come out smelling like a bed of roses.



Because this is war. Laugh it up. Individuals are attempting to remove a sitting president illegally, and destroy our democracy. People thought for years this was a joke. I remember it being called the "redneck rebellion" at one time.

We have discussed it in open forum even posting trains carrying armor into the US. Troops being called back to US on active duty in the US. Its all laughable conspiracy theory.

How funny are we now?



That is because some, not all, have been operating as look outs rather than passive observers. Some were using their press credentials to pass information or warnings along to rioters. That one is a touch and go subject.
Sad not funny, yearning to crush "liberals" in revenge for being called deplorable.
 
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