Feast Days And Sabbath Days. Are They Still Binding?

[Castaway57]

To be fair, in Exodus 20 where they are listed it doesn't actually say "The Ten Commandments" in the original Hebrew. It is only added above in Enlish translation above the text of Exodus 20 as a title.

Jesus then sums up the Decalogue by saying "you should love your neighbour as yourself."

To be fair; while the phrase "ten commandments" is not in Exodus 20, all one has to do is count how many are listed there. There are ten listed. By comparing scripture with scripture; we see that using the phrase "ten commandments" is Biblical, and therefore quite legitimate:

Exo_34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
Deu_4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
Deu_10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

The fact that God also admonished/es His people with many other laws and regulations does not indicate that all these are in fact, the same as what the Bible refers to as "the ten commandments." God Himself makes the distinction in Holy Writ, and "circumcision" is not included in the ten, and neither are the "feast days."

To be fair; we must say it like the Bible does.

 

[stinsonmarri]

Happy Sabbath Everyone:

I back but working on my project still. As I have said to all that the Bible never lies.

And YAHWEH said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a Law, and Commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. Ex 24:12

The word ten in Hebrew mean to the power or times more than in the English language. I showed it but their are those who refuse to believe no matter what they read. Example if you come to a stop sign to all who drives it halt do not move take your feet of the breaks and look both ways. That is reading and understanding, those who interpret it feel they can just pause and keep on going. That is why the get a ticket. How plain is that! All need to stop interpreting what the Bible said and understand what it means. Law and Commandments are more than ten because YAHWEH continue on chapter Twenty one to Twenty three, read them. HE also gave the law of clean and unclean meat, tithing and the Holy Appointed Set Times in Ex 20 and in Lev 23.

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[Castaway57]

Happy Sabbath Everyone:

I back but working on my project still. As I have said to all that the Bible never lies.

And YAHWEH said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a Law, and Commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. Ex 24:12

The word ten in Hebrew mean to the power or times more than in the English language. I showed it but their are those who refuse to believe no matter what they read. Example if you come to a stop sign to all who drives it halt do not move take your feet of the breaks and look both ways. That is reading and understanding, those who interpret it feel they can just pause and keep on going. That is why the get a ticket. How plain is that! All need to stop interpreting what the Bible said and understand what it means. Law and Commandments are more than ten because YAHWEH continue on chapter Twenty one to Twenty three, read them. HE also gave the law of clean and unclean meat, tithing and the Holy Appointed Set Times in Ex 20 and in Lev 23.

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

Regardless of what one wants to try to say what "ten" means, the fact remains that we are referring in this topic to a specific ten commandments listed in the Bible. I am sure all can go to Exodus 20 or Deut 5 and count from one to ten themselves. Those two references do not list more than ten, nor do they refer to more than ten. The Bible never lies.

 

[stinsonmarri]

Regardless of what one wants to try to say what "ten" means, the fact remains that we are referring in this topic to a specific ten commandments listed in the Bible. I am sure all can go to Exodus 20 or Deut 5 and count from one to ten themselves. Those two references do not list more than ten, nor do they refer to more than ten. The Bible never lies.

Castaway:

The difference between you and I is I see Ex 20-23 and I can read this:

And YAHWEH said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a Law, and Commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. Ex 24:12 ​

And I know that Law in Hebrew means Torah or Statues and Commandments in Hebrew means ELOHIM Directives or Landmarks that HE gives to guide us.

I will try again for you Castaway from a Hebrew site to explain:​

On a frequent basis we attach a meaning of a word from the Bible based on our own language and culture to a word that is not the meaning of the Hebrew word behind the translation. This is often a result of using our modern western thinking process for interpreting the Biblical text. For proper interpretation of the ible it is essential that we take our definitions for words from an Ancient Hebraic perspective. Our modern western minds often work with words that are purely abstract or mental while the Hebrew's vocabulary was filled with words that painted pictures of concrete concepts. By reading the Biblical text with a proper Hebrew vocabulary the text comes to life revealing the authors intended meaning. Below each entry is a number corresponding to the "Ancient Hebrew Lexicon of the Bible" entry for the word. Ancient Hebrew Research Center​

No the Bible never lies but men who translated it have.​

I saw that ELOHIM had especially guarded the Bible; yet when copies of it were few, learned men had in some instances changed the words, thinking that they were making it more plain, when in reality they were mystifying that which was plain, by causing it to lean to their established views, which were governed by tradition. But I saw that the Word of ELOHIM, as a whole, is a perfect chain, one portion linking into and explaining another. True seekers for truth need not err; for not only is the Word of ELOHIM plain and simple in declaring the way of life, but the HOLY SPIRIT is given as a guide in understanding the way to life therein revealed. EW p. 220​

You claim to believe in EGW but refuse her clear cut message as you reuse to believe in the Bible. YAHSHUA said to search the Scriptures but you refuse to do that. If you were in School and the teacher gave you a project that needed to be research most who want an A will do the research. But sad to say you don't want to and it is your lost just like I told you Romney would lose and the President would win. Logic is given to us all but some want to use it like Paul who left a good life to be a tent maker. The reason is logic, he could see clear now but before he was shrouded in the darkness of tradition. It took YAHSHUA to actually knock him off his horse and blind Paul for him to see clearly. I wonder what will it take for you to see? I cannot read you heart only HE can. YAHSHUA knew that Paul was stirred up at Stephen's death and it bothered him. I will continue to present the truth and if not you someone will accept it and obey!

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[Castaway57]

I saw that ELOHIM had especially guarded the Bible; yet when copies of it were few, learned men had in some instances changed the words, thinking that they were making it more plain, when in reality they were mystifying that which was plain, by causing it to lean to their established views, which were governed by tradition. But I saw that the Word of ELOHIM, as a whole, is a perfect chain, one portion linking into and explaining another. True seekers for truth need not err; for not only is the Word of ELOHIM plain and simple in declaring the way of life, but the HOLY SPIRIT is given as a guide in understanding the way to life therein revealed. EW p. 220

Unfortunately; it is NEVER a "clear cut message" when individuals such as your self are clearly and decidedlyagainst the Adventist Church official teachings, and using her writings to try and discredit the church and its teachings. It is NEVER a "clear cut message when you whip people with one small quote ripped out of its context, and made to say what you want it to say. As I have been trying to show another poster here; this is a gross misuse of her writings, and she herself has asked/pleaded that we not do this to her writings. If you truly believed in what she writes; you would never misuse her writings out of context like this.

But sad to say you don't want to and it is your lost just like I told you Romney would lose and the President would win.

Trying to set yourself before us as someone who is some sort of prophetess and special authority to correct us is the first of your many errors here on this forum.

I will continue to present the truth and if not you someone will accept it and obey!

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

What is there to "obey" here? All you are doing is bickering about how you don't think we should use the term "ten" when referring to God's law; even when I showed you a few posts ago several scriptures which do just what you tell us not to.

You have failed to mention Ellen White's writings on this topic in correct context, because she says many times over that God's law is the ten commandments, and in the quote you gave above, she was nowhere near saying that any changes in the Bible were wrong, and would affect any of our fundamental beliefs:

Before his conversion Paul had regarded himself as blameless "touching the righteousness which is in the law." Philippians 3:6. But since his change of heart he had gained a clear conception of the mission of the Saviour as the Redeemer of the entire race, Gentile as well as Jew, and had learned the difference between a living faith and a dead formalism. In the light of the gospel the ancient rites and ceremonies committed to Israel had gained a new and deeper significance. That which they shadowed forth had come to pass, and those who were living under the gospel dispensation had been freed from their observance. God's unchangeable law of Ten Commandments, however, Paul still kept in spirit as well as in letter. {AA 190.1}

There are 446 more places where she says the same kinds of things regarding the ten commandments; so much for your special knowledge and "research." And what she collectively writes on the subject of God's law is well supported by the Bible. But she never wanted anyone to do like you & another poster here to twist what she writes out of context and make individual quotes by her to be doctrine. She always insisted that her writings be used to point to the Bible; not to criticise it like you are doing.

 

[Castaway57]

I wonder what will it take for you to see? Blessings,
stinsonmarri

So let me see here; according to you we should keep, among other things, the feat of unleavened bread." Lets just look at that a little closer:Feast of Unleavened Bread

Texts: Ex. 12:15–20; 13:5–9; Lev. 23:6–8; Num. 28:17–25; Deut. 16:8.

Time: 15th to 21st of Abib.

Offerings: For burnt offering, daily, 2 bullocks, 1 ram, 7 lambs, with appropriate meal offerings; and 1 kid for a sin offering.

OK; so now you are trying to tell us that God wants us to kill 2 bullocks, 1 ram, 7 lambs,1 kid, plus conjure up all the "meal offerings" mentioned?

That doesn't sound like part of the ten commandments to me? If we still had to do all this kind of sacrifice, then there would be no need for Christ and Him crucified."

The Bible is pretty clear that "Christ died once for all;" and we do not ever again need any of these sacrifices or feasts; for He has taken care of it all on Calvary.

 

[WOFFED]

The four spring feasts (Moed-appointed time) have been fulfilled. The fall feasts are still a foretaste of His soon return. Even now He tabernacles with us in our earthly tent as a foretaste of the wedding feast to come.


Matthew 25:3-10 (NKJV)
3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,
4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
6 “And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!
7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.

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[WOFFED]

5774 Jewish Calendar Year (240 Dropped in 135 AD) = 2013 - 2014​

THERE ARE EXACTLY 1,290 DAYS FROM PASSOVER 2013 TO FEAST OF TRUMPETS 2016​

Thu. 5 September 2013 ... Rosh HaShanah - Feast of Trumpets
Sat. 14 September 2013 ... Yom Kippur - Day of Atonement
Thu. 19 September 2013 ... Sukkot - Feast of Tabernacles​

The Feast (moed or appointed time) of Trumpets takes place over two days. The reasoning it is 2 days goes back to the Babylonian deportation when the few remaining Jews(short for Judah) lite fire signals on the hills in Judah to notify the Jewish captives that those in Judah were beginning to celebrate their new year on the first of Tishri. The problem having no internet it could take two days for the Jews in Babylon to get the fire/smoke message that the celebration was underway (Jerusalem is in Judah).​

So, the saying goes that because of some uncertainty the following saying came into being ... "No one knows the day or the hour." That same scripture passage in Matthew 24:36, suggests that perhaps those "having ears to hear and eyes to see" (Prov 20:12, Mark 8:18) should at least know the year and month, if not the week of the ... .​

Our western (Roman) calendar was devised by Julius Caesar and modified by Pope Gregory (Gregorian Calendar). The four spring feasts were fulfilled almost 2,000 years ago, by Yahshua right on time. For those that don't have a Hebrew calendar, the Feast of Trumpets begins this year at sundown on Wednesday, Sept. 4th and ends in Israel just before sunset on Friday, Sept. 6th.

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[stinsonmarri]

Castaway:​

You stated and I responded:​

Unfortunately; it is NEVER a "clear cut message" when individuals such as your self are clearly and decidedly against the Adventist Church official teachings, and using her writings to try and discredit the church and its teachings. It is NEVER a "clear cut message when you whip people with one small quote ripped out of its context, and made to say what you want it to say. As I have been trying to show another poster here; this is a gross misuse of her writings, and she herself has asked/pleaded that we not do this to her writings. If you truly believed in what she writes; you would never misuse her writings out of context like this.​

You tell me what of her writings have I misused or taken out of context?

Definition of context: text surrounding word or passage: the words, phrases, or passages that come before and after a particular word or passage in a speech or piece of writing and help to explain its full meaning. Bing Dictionary

Using the word ELOHIM is the actual name that the English writers substituted by using the pagan word god.

Definition for ELOHIM: E·lo·him [ e lṓ hìm ] 1. God: in the Bible, a Hebrew word for God. Bing Dictionary​

I capitalize all letters referring to the FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT. I change the word ghost to SPIRIT because HE is not a ghost!​

Definition of the word ghost: supposed spirit remaining after death: the supposed spirit of somebody who has died, believed to appear as a shadowy form or to cause sounds, the movement of objects, or a frightening atmosphere in a place. Bing Dictionary​

So you are wrong because I have never changed the meaning of any word, sentence, phrase that EGW used. You have calling her a prophet when she said don't! So you think I have "whip" out portions well read TM Chapter Three: THE HOLY SCRIPUTES (subtitles)How to Search the Scriptures p. 105, The Study of the Books of Daniel and the Revelation p. 112. EW: Death Not Eternal Life in Misery p. 218 Find anywhere in these chapters that I change anything that was not consistent? You always accuse me but never provide the evidence of my accusation. You copy the writing I pasted with the ones you paste and the only differences that you will see is what I mention above along with the definitions!

Tying to set yourself before us as someone who is some sort of prophetess and special authority to correct us is the first of your many errors here on this forum.​

Castaway, I truly hate to say this but you are lying on me. I have never called myself a prophetess because I have always stated on this forum that the last prophet was John the Revelator! I have stated that I am a messenger as we all should be who hold the truth. I also call myself "repairer of the breach" according to Isa 58:12. It is so sad that people have to provide untruths about someone because they disagree with what you are accepting as Bible doctrine.

What is there to "obey" here? All you are doing is bickering about how you don't think we should use the term "ten" when referring to God's law; even hen I showed you a few posts ago several scriptures which do just what you tell us not to.

There are only three Scriptures that use the word ten with the word Commandments and it was never spoken by YAHWEH ELOHIM, YAHSHUA ELOHIM or the HOLY SPIRIT ELOHIM. So that's bickering about a matter of fact? That is what I wrote because this is a forum to discuss the title about the Holy Appointed Set Times that you started. Does the SDA Church agreed with this fact? No it does not! I am providing a position to all who will like to see for themselves. I have not charge you or anyone to change your position but you have accuse me for speaking freely!​

There are 446 more places where she says the same kinds of things regarding the ten commandments; so much for your special knowledge and "research." And what she collectively writes on the subject of God's law is well supported by the Bible. But she never wanted anyone to do like you & another poster here to twist what she writes out of context and make individual quotes by her to be doctrine. She always insisted that her writings be used to point to the Bible; not to criticise it like you are doing.​

You can list as many as you want but it does not make it right. Nor once again did it ever come out of the mouth of the ALMIGHTY ONES! Simple! What I will provide for you is EGW own words that you will again accuse me of no matter what she says. But this is for those in the forum who will be able to see the truth from her own writings!​

We have many lessons to learn, and many, many to unlearn. ELOHIM and Heaven alone are infallible. Those who think that they will never have to give up a cherished view, never have occasion to change an opinion, will be disappointed. As long as we hold to our own ideas and opinions with determined persistency, we cannot have the unity for which YAHSHUA prayed.--The Review and Herald, July 26, 1892. 1SM p. 37​

In regard to infallibility, I never claimed it; ELOHIM alone is infallible. HIS word is true, and in HIM is no variableness, or shadow of turning.--Letter 10, 1895. 1SM p. 37

You think that our Church can do no wrong I disagree. I will continue to speak out on what is wrong with our teachings but will hold fast to the ones we present that are true!

Go in peace with blessings,​

stinsonmarri

 

[stinsonmarri]

The four spring feasts (Moed-appointed time) have been fulfilled. The fall feasts are still a foretaste of His soon return. Even now He tabernacles with us in our earthly tent as a foretaste of the wedding feast to come.


Matthew 25:3-10 (NKJV)
3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,
4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
6 “And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!
7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.

Disagree with your point but agree with your text. The wise virgins are the 144,000:

And I looked, and, lo, a LAMB stood on the Mount Sion, and with HIM an hundred forty and four thousand, having HIS FATHER'S Name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from Heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the Throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the LAMB whithersoever HE goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the Firstfruits unto ELOHIM and to the LAMB. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they ​

are without fault before the Throne of ELOHIM. Rev 14:1-5

Blessings,​

stinsonmarri

 

[stinsonmarri]

Woffed:

The idea that that Daniel were referring to the Holy Appointed Set Times is not true. Daniel Chapter 12 is dealing with the Time of Trouble my friend. Finally answer this for me:

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the Holy Appointed Set Times of YAHWEH, which ye shall proclaim to be Holy Assemblies, even these are MY Holy Appointed Set Times. Lev 23:2

If they are YAHWEH Holy Appointed Set Time how are they the Jews? If this is true then the Sabbath as the other churches claim is the Jews too!

Please get back to me with an answer because others will judge me but wil not answer the question. Maybe you will hopefully.​

Blessings,​

stinsonmarri

 

[stinsonmarri]

So let me see here; according to you we should keep, among other things, the feat of unleavened bread." Lets just look at that a little closer:Feast of Unleavened Bread

Texts: Ex. 12:15–20; 13:5–9; Lev. 23:6–8; Num. 28:17–25; Deut. 16:8.

Time: 15th to 21st of Abib.

Offerings: For burnt offering, daily, 2 bullocks, 1 ram, 7 lambs, with appropriate meal offerings; and 1 kid for a sin offering.

OK; so now you are trying to tell us that God wants us to kill 2 bullocks, 1 ram, 7 lambs,1 kid, plus conjure up all the "meal offerings" mentioned?

That doesn't sound like part of the ten commandments to me? If we still had to do all this kind of sacrifice, then there would be no need for Christ and Him crucified."

The Bible is pretty clear that "Christ died once for all;" and we do not ever again need any of these sacrifices or feasts; for He has taken care of it all on Calvary.

Let's see for the Seventh Day Sabbath: Ex. 20:8–11 Num. 28:9, 10

Offerings: 2 lambs for a burnt offering, besides the continual burnt offering.

Are you trying to tell me that no offerings were killed on the Sabbath?
So what's your point? Again the day is not a ceremony what was done that day was. You take the YAHSHUA Supper on the Sabbath. It is a ritual or a ceremony don't you know that?

Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even the MESSIAH our PASSOVER is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the Holy Appointed Set Time, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the Unleavened Bread of sincerity and truth. 1Co 5:6-8​

So you won't get in a knot I changed the pagan word feast ok! I will not use it anymore.

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[Castaway57]

Let's see for the Seventh Day Sabbath: Ex. 20:8–11 Num. 28:9, 10

Offerings: 2 lambs for a burnt offering, besides the continual burnt offering.

Are you trying to tell me that no offerings were killed on the Sabbath?
So what's your point? Again the day is not a ceremony what was done that day was. You take the YAHSHUA Supper on the Sabbath. It is a ritual or a ceremony don't you know that?

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Num 28:9 And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:
Num 28:10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.

These texts, as the ones I just referenced above do not tell us to do any sacrifices today. This is/was my whole point, Jesus has taken care of the Sacrifice "once for all;" so it is Biblical to say that.

 

[Castaway57]

Let's see for the Seventh Day Sabbath: Ex. 20:8–11 Num. 28:9, 10

Offerings: 2 lambs for a burnt offering, besides the continual burnt offering.

Are you trying to tell me that no offerings were killed on the Sabbath?
So what's your point? stinsonmarri

The OT typical system had serious limitations, the recognition of which is not merely a NT phenomenon. The psalmist knew that it was impossible for humans to redeem themselves, to pay a price for their own lives (Ps. 49:7). And that only God could pay the ransom (verse 15). Sacrifice was only the expression of a contrite heart seeking forgiveness from God (Ps. 51:16–19).

The OT pointed to a time when those limitations would be removed through the perfect sacrifice of the Servant of the Lord (Isa. 52:3–53:12), described as the perfect Lamb who died a vicarious sacrificial death (verse 11).

The NT identifies the limitations of the old system in order to magnify the greatness of the new. Thus the covenant with Israel is seen in Hebrews as having a limited temporal function (8:7–13). The Israelite sanctuary was only a shadow, a type, a copy, of the original sanctuary in heaven, not the true one (verses 2, 5).

The Levitical priesthood was inadequate because it could not attain perfection (Heb. 7:11), that is, it could not take away the sin problem. To illustrate: The typical Levitical priesthood could only role-play the genuine priestly ministry of Christ, who through His sacrifice and mediation could indeed “put away sin” (Heb. 9:26; 10:4).​

http://www.christianforums.com/#_ftn3
The pastoral concern of the Epistle to the Hebrews is expressed in expositions and exhortations. The faith of the believers to whom the letter was addressed seems to have deteriorated so that they were attracted once more to Jewish faith and practices. The author of Hebrews exhorts them to remain faithful to the faith they once accepted (3:13, 14; 4:1; 12:12, 13).

Throughout the letter the writer argues for the superiority of the work of Christ over the ritual, sacrificial system, emphasizing its ineffectiveness to purge sin and the repetitious nature of its services over against the once-and-for-all sacrifice of Christ “to put away sin” (9:26). Hebrews contrasts the old and new in order to demonstrate that through Christ a new and superior exodus has taken place. The achievements of the new exodus are far better than those of the old, and the redemption it has initiated is eternal, that is to say, unrepeatable, because its benefits are permanent.


That's my point.http://www.christianforums.com/#_ftn1 http://www.christianforums.com/#_ftnref1

 

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You take the *YAHSHUA Supper on the Sabbath. It is a ritual or a ceremony don't you know that?
Blessings,
stinsonmarri

Did you mean to say ... YAHUSHUA​

*“Yahshua” (presumably,יַהְשׁוּעַ)
( isn’t a name-word in Hebrew Torah/Tanakh ... it simply doesn’t exist! )​

יַהְשׁוּעַ(Yahushua - the Branch)​

יֵשוּע (Yeshua - rescue / deliver)​

יְהוֹשֻׁעַ ("Yehoshuah" - Joshua)​

Click here to listen to how "Yahushua" is pronounced.

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[stinsonmarri]

Castaway:

Responding to your comment:

These texts, as the ones I just referenced above do not tell us to do any sacrifices today. This is/was my whole point, Jesus has taken care of the Sacrifice "once for all;" so it is Biblical to say that.

I am full aware that the sacrifices were over due to YAHSHUA'S death. That is true and they were the "handwritings of ordinances" that were against us and taking out of the way. But not the days they are not ceremonies as I stated. The Day of Atonement should prove that to you. This is the Day that YAHSHUA started the Investigated Judgment. If we had listen Jones and Waggoner it would have led us to keep all of the Statues Laws. All Holy Appointed Set Times had sacrifices including the Holy Sabbath which is a Holy Appointed Set Time that comes every week they come every year. Why is that so hard to understand ELOHIM does not change HIS Universal Laws. I know you do not want to believe it but Ex 23:10-12; 34:21-23 shows clearly that the Sabbath is mention along with the three annual Holy Appointed Set Times. Guess what they are both mention by ELOHIM dealing with Moses and the Commandments and Laws! Go figure!!!

That thou mightest fear YAWHWEH thy ELOHIM, to keep all his Statutes and HIS Commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged. Deut 6:2

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

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Castaway:
I am full aware that the sacrifices were over due to YAHSHUA'S death. That is true and they were the "handwritings of ordinances" that were against us and taking out of the way. But not the days they are not ceremonies as I stated. The Day of Atonement should prove that to you. This is the Day that YAHSHUA started the Investigated Judgment.
Blessings,
stinsonmarri

“Yahshua” (presumably, יַהְשׁוּעַ)
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( the name-word 'Yahshua' doesn't exist in Hebrew Torah/Tanakh )

Did you mean to say ... YAHUSHUA

יַהְשׁוּעַ (Yahushua - the Branch)
or

יֵשוּע (Yeshua - he will rescue / he will deliver)

do a google search using - how to pronounce Yahshua - and you'll find there is no such word.
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Click here to listen to how "Yahushua" is pronounced.

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[stinsonmarri]

Castaway:​

Your point does have merit but not in this statement:​

The OT typical system had serious limitations. . .​

This OT typical is a made up excuse by all churches by not dealing with the human fact. Animals were picked to die in our place. They could never take away sin and the question is why were they used? First, to show us how horrible the act of sin is that an innocent victim must die in our stead. It also was to show us that YAHSHUA was the ONE who would come and truly die for us. Why because those animals could never take away sin. What is typical about killing an innocent animal and that is what YAHWEH wanted to show Israel. But like the pagans Israel became so bloodthirsty that YAHWEH became disgusted in Isa 1:4-11. Then they became even worst by the time YAHSHUA came on the scene that twice HE removed the greedy moneymakers from HIS FATHER'S House! The Smell of blood went through their deprave bodies like vampires and they then crucified the SON of the MOST HIGH. They were so deprave they cried out "Let HIS Blood be on us and our children." They placed their children on the death block without any unconcern. What has been substituted for our bodies that are living sacrifices and we are so bless because we do not have to die, YAHSHUA did it for those who will obey. What is typical about an innocent animal being killed? It was a plan to save our worthless souls and it sickens me. I cry to know that the only escape I had was first innocent animals had to be killed then my Savior. That is why I endure all the negative things you say because I must speak up about what we are teaching that is incorrect. Do you think it is easy to be put down for what you are presenting? I am prepared to die for what I know to be true. I am tire of sin seeing and hearing about innocent babies being aborted, killing of those twenty children, violence, homosexual versus a man and a woman is out of control. The world has become a lawless place. If what we had was all truth then Rev 3:15-17 is a lie! Sometimes I just cry and pray that it could all be over I am sick of sin even when I fall short myself. There is nothing typical that is why even the FATHER in Heaven told HIS SON no twice but allowed HIM to die what love! All I know is I am going to stand no matter what you say about me. I going to love you and others and pray for all of us including myself that we will not bow down to Baal. This gospel will be preached to all the world by wise virgins during the Time of Trouble. They will become the Firstfruit of the OT, living sacrifices in the worst time of earth history to reap the harvest of souls. Then they and the great multitude, the remnants, will hear the Voice of the FATHER tell them day and the time of HIS SON coming! It is my goal and desire to be there-Amen!​

Peace unto you,
stinsonmarri

 

[stinsonmarri]

Woffed:

The Hebrew word "shua" actually means salvation. YAHWEH is the SON who is to come in HIS FATHER'S Name. I do not agree with the Jews in many things. The reason is very simple they change the passover supper to attempt to make the supper a Holy Appointed Set Time-it is not:​

Now the first day of the Holy Appointed Set Time of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to YAHSHUA, saying unto him, Where wilt THOU that we prepare for THEE to eat the passover? Mat 26:17 ​

And the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they killed the passover, HIS disciples said unto HIM, Where wilt THOU that we go and prepare that THOU mayest eat the passover? Mar 14:12 ​

Now the Holy Appointed Set Time of Unleavened Bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover. Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, when the passover must be killed. And HE sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. Luke 22:1, 7, 8 ​

(I do not used the pagan word feast anymore, so I replace it by using the exact meaning of the Hebrew word "Moed, Moadah," Greek: Heorte - Holy Day)

They have changed the Sacred Names and I have chosen to used YAH-SHUA which means YAHWEH IS SALVATION! As a Bible Historian who have lived and studied in Israel with careful prayer and humbleness this is how I approach and say the ALMIGHTY ONES Holy Names.​

Be bless,
stinsonmarri​

 

[WOFFED]

Opps! Googled Again and Found Follwing Info on Yahshua
What's Your Take On This ... confusing ​

Matthew 1:21 (Orthodox Jewish Bible )​

And she shall bear BEN (Son) and you will call SHMO (his name, Zech 6:1 YEHOSHUA (Zech 6:11-12) because he will bring his people yeshuah (rescue, salvation, deliverance) from their peyshaim (rebellions).​

Matthew 1:21 (Hebraic Roots Bible)​

And she will bear a son, and you shall call His name Yahshua, for He shall save His people from their sins. (Ex 23:21, Acts 4:12)​

Matthew 1:21 (Complete Jewish Bible)​

She will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Yeshua, [which means ‘Adonai saves,’] because he will save his people from their sins.”​

[SIZE=+1]"Yeshua" is the name used by today's messianic believers when referring to the Messiah. >>> The "Ye" was a replacement of "Yah" to avoid pronouncing the Father's name even in its shortened, poetic form [a traditional Jewish restriction that began at the time of the Babylonian exile] <<< Using Yeshua does not honor Yahweh as intended in Matthew 1:21 above. By pronouncing Yahshua, we state that Yahweh is salvation.[/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+1]>>> It's OK to pronounce Yahweh, but not Yahshua <<< [/SIZE]​

[SIZE=+1]The pronunciation of

varies among different groups. Since the Hebrew spelling is exactly the same as "Joshua", the son of Nun, some people pronounce it as "Joshua" with a "Y" sound - Yahshua; the "Y" would be the correct sound.[/SIZE]​

Yahshua son of Yahweh ... (link for above info)​

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Apparently the name Yehoshua can be written either as &#1497;&#1456;&#1492;&#1493;&#1465;&#1513;&#1467;&#1473;&#1506;&#1463; (the more common way) or as &#1497;&#1456;&#1492;&#1493;&#1465;&#1513;&#1473;&#1493;&#1468;&#1506;&#1463; (the less common). These are the same name. One is written without the vowel letter (&#1493;&#1468; - shruuk) and the other is written with it.

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phoenetic similar between Yah-weh and Yah-shua ... Father and Son

phoenetic simular between Yah-u-weh and Yah-u-shua ... Father and Son

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