Feast Days And Sabbath Days. Are They Still Binding?

[stinsonmarri]

Castaway:​

My response to your comment;​

This feat was the passover, since that often went by the name of the feast: the why he must by all means keep it, was not because it was obligatory upon him; nor did he always observe it, as appears from his long stay at Corinth, and other places; and besides, as a Christian, he had nothing to do with it; but either because of his vow, Act_18:18 or because he knew he should have an opportunity of preaching the Gospel to great numbers; the Vulgate Latin and Ethiopic versions omit this clause! . . . after the days of unleavened bread; or the passover; which is mentioned only to observe the time of year when this voyage was taken; and not to suggest to us that Paul and his company stayed at Philippi, and kept this feast there; for the passover was only kept at Jerusalem, and besides was now abolished, and not to be observed by Christians!​

Once again Castaway you are wrong. The passover was a supper and the Jew like SDA went against the Command or Word of ELOHIM.

Ex 12:14 - (Heb: chagag -specifically to march in a sacred procession, to observe a moed moed moadah [properly an appointment, that is, a fixed time]; by implication to celebrate, dance, (keep, hold) a (solemn) (holy day)

And this day shall be unto you for a Memorial; and ye shall keep it a chagag to YAHWEH throughout your generations (Heb: dor - age, evermore); ye shall keep it a chagag by a Law forever. (MKJV)​

You must celebrate this day as a chagag to remind you of what I, YAHWEH, have done. Celebrate it for all time to come." (GNB)​

"This day will be one for you to remember. This is a Permanent Law for generations to come: You will celebrate this day as a pilgrimage chagag in YAHWEH'S honor. (GW)

`And this day hath become to you a memorial, and ye have kept it a chagag to YAHWEH to your generations; --a Statute age-during; ye keep it a chagag. (YLT)

In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is YAHWEH'S passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the chag of Unleavened Bread unto YAHWEH: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. Lev 23: 5, 6 ​

Now as stated before YAHSHUA followed HIS FATHER'S Commands or Words that Jews like the SDA changed but the Bible gives the truth:​

Now the first of the Unleavened Bread the disciples came to YAHSHUA, saying unto him, Where wilt THOU that we prepare for THEE to eat the passover? And HE said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, MY time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with MY disciples. And the disciples did as YAHSHUA had appointed them; and they made ready the passover. Now when the even was come, HE sat down with the twelve. Mat 26:17-20 ​

(Greek: heorte - holyday)

And the Holy day of Unleavened Bread drew near, which is called Passover. Then came the day of Unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And HE sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. And they said unto HIM, Where wilt THOU that we prepare? And they went, and found as HE had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. And when the hour was come, HE sat down, and the twelve apostles with HIM. And HE said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: Luke 22:1, 7-9, 14 ​

. . . for the passover was only kept at Jerusalem, and besides was now abolished, and not to be observed by Christians!

Where on earth did you get this myth from?

And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days. For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost. Act 20:6, 16 ​

I have experienced a long list of people on the internet, and off line who have shoved verses at me telling me how I will be burned or some such thing just because I dont believe like them. You are just another one in the long line up.

I don't know about those off line but I know that neither I or Stan have shove any verses at you! You started this discussion and we only provided not shoved Scriptures pertaining to the subject you stated: Feast Days And Sabbath Days. Are They Still Binding? We also are not giving them to you but to all that come on this discussion. Castaway you are not the main focus these days we know you refuse to believe even though it has been provided to you. We continue to speak out because there are others who will come across this subject and has not bowed their knees to modern Baal. These are the ones I am focusing on and not you I just answer back on the comment you provide so the truth will be heard. They can see the Scriptures and make their own decision like you have one way or another.​

Again; you provide no scripture to back up your assertions so it's easy for you to say whatever you want without being accountable for it.

I have you refuse, so be it!​

And by the way the Lords Supper is not practiced "on the Passover" in most faith traditions. Adventists do not teach that.

I agree because you have chosen as they have to follow the Papacy unholy days which are men's traditions! ​

No; you actually dont understand it at all if you talk like this - especially with self-important phrases like "so called Christians." Who do you think you are, compared to us?​

I think I am a humble servant compare to whoever the "us" if they react like you do!​

You dont know the first thing about me. I have not "moved up the rank to be a leader!" ​

You don't about me but you personally have called many unkind things. But you are right I don't know about you and I am not trying to offend you so please forgive. First of all I mention you name as new folks coming into the church, secondly I said and many who have come in over the last 45 years have moved to be leaders. I was not referring to you. In all things Castaway it is not about you personally!​

There are some individuals who participate in some of these holidays, our church accepts people at whatever level they are at, but our official teachings say the total opposite of what you are being so bellicose about here.​

Wow whatever level huh! See how you react to others who keep the holy days because that is actually what holiday means. (Holiday: 1500s, earlier haliday (c.1200), from Old English haligdæg "holy day; Sabbath," from halig "holy." Online Etymology Dictionary)

You cant prove from scripture that Paul did this. I did show from scripture, just above, why its not true. You are welcome to show why I am wrong.

Great here is where you are so wrong because "the Sabbath" through out the Bible is the Seven day Sabbath always!​

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath: Col 2:16 ​

Greek: Sabbaton - Of Hebrew origin [H7676] (Heb: Shabbath - specifically the Sabbath: every Sabbath.); the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself. Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - Sabbath (day), week. ​

This is a sign of honesty on the translators' part. The italicized words are interpolations, words that were not in the original documents but were added to the English text. Many of them are there to make things make better grammatical sense in English, but a few of them can actually change the meanings of the passages, so they ought to be examined critically when you run across them. Christianity

You hav accuse me of changing words which I have not! I replace the actual word that the pagan word was used instead. YAHWEH is HOLY and HIM the FATHER as well the SON and HOLY SPIRIT should be reference in how we say their HOLY Name in which to me is the right thing to do. That is my spiritual belief according the Command to not use THEIR Names falsely!​

Blessings with love always Castaway,​

stinsonmarri

 

[Castaway57]

Castaway:​

My response to your comment;​

This feast was the passover, since that often went by the name of the feast: the why he must by all means keep it, was not because it was obligatory upon him; nor did he always observe it, as appears from his long stay at Corinth, and other places; and besides, as a Christian, he had nothing to do with it; but either because of his vow, Act_18:18 or because he knew he should have an opportunity of preaching the Gospel to great numbers; the Vulgate Latin and Ethiopic versions omit this clause! . . . after the days of unleavened bread; or the passover; which is mentioned only to observe the time of year when this voyage was taken; and not to suggest to us that Paul and his company stayed at Philippi, and kept this feast there; for the passover was only kept at Jerusalem, and besides was now abolished, and not to be observed by Christians!​

Once again Castaway you are wrong. The passover was a supper and the Jew like SDA went against the Command or Word of GOD.

Well; you do like to dicker on and on about words which do not apply to the subject at hand. But its almost impossible to answer you - you have mixed up comments I made to another poster here, and responded as if it was between you & I, and I noticed you avoided my point about Psalms 78:10. That I am not surprised to see.

You can call it a supper, a meal, a feast, or a lot of other things - you know I was referring to the Passover meal. At the time; people were doing what God had said - so what you say about the Jews is ridiculous. They were obeying God; just as much as do those who accept the truth that is taught by Adventists that we need none of the suppers, feasts, meals, holy days, or ceremonies of the OT sanctuary system today to be saved. All we need is Jesus. (John 1:29). Out of all your bellicose arguments here; you have not proven this point to be wrong. God; (not Elohim), will not give His glory to you or anyone else except Jesus Christ and Him crucified:

But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. (Gal 6:14).

If you want to glory in some feast or supper that was a type or shadow of Christ and His work, go right ahead. Just dont tell people it's Adventist and dont come to this forum trying to pursuade people to go against Christ and Him crucified. It will never fly here.

 

[Stan Tei]

“Know therefore that the Lord thy God, He is God, the faithful God,
which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love Him and keep His
commandments to a thousand generations…thou shalt therefore keep the
commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command
thee this day, to do them.” (Deuteronomy 7:9, 11) We are to keep the
commandments, statutes (which includes God’s Holy Days), and
judgments for a thousand generations. “If God’s commandments are to be
binding for a thousand generations, it will take them into the kingdom of
God, into the presence of God and His holy angels.” (Fundamentals of
Christian Education, p. 413)

 

[Stan Tei]

“In consequence of continual transgression, the moral law was repeated
in awful grandeur from Sinai. Christ gave to Moses religious precepts
which were to govern everyday life. These statutes were explicitly given to
guard the Ten Commandments. They were not shadowy types to pass
away with the death of Christ. They were to be binding upon men in every
age as long as time should last. These commands were enforced by the
power of the moral law, and they clearly and definitely explained that law.
(Signs of the Times, April 15, 1875 and SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 1, p.
1104)

 

[Castaway57]

“In consequence of continual transgression, the moral law was repeated
in awful grandeur from Sinai. Christ gave to Moses religious precepts
which were to govern everyday life. These statutes were explicitly given to
guard the Ten Commandments. They were not shadowy types to pass
away with the death of Christ. They were to be binding upon men in every
age as long as time should last. These commands were enforced by the
power of the moral law, and they clearly and definitely explained that law.
(Signs of the Times, April 15, 1875 and SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 1, p.
1104)

You are using Ellen White's writings out of context, and in ways she has asked people not to do.

Additionally; neither of the two quotes you posted prove that the feast days or sabbath days are still binding on Christians today.

The need for the service of sacrifices and offerings ceased when type met antitype in the death of Christ. In Him the shadow reached the substance. . . . The law of God will maintain its exalted character as long as the throne of Jehovah endures. This law is the expression of God's character. . . . Types and shadows, offerings and sacrifices, had no virtue after Christ's death on the cross; but God's law was not crucified with Christ. {FLB 106.4}

By what you are posting here, Christ, and Him crucified is not enough for our salvation; we also need the feasts and sacrifices. That is the message of anti Christ. Saying that we need more than Christ and Him crucified is from Satan. No sacrifice, feast day, supper, or meal, or holy days, will save us from our sins. Only Jesus (John 1:29)

 

[Stan Tei]

“Well would it be for the people of God at the present time to have a Feast of Tabernacles--a joyous commemoration of the blessings of God to them. As the children of Israel celebrated the deliverance that God had wrought for their fathers, and His miraculous preservation of them during their journeyings from Egypt, so should we gratefully call to mind the various ways He has devised for bringing us out from the world, and from the darkness of error, into the precious light of His grace and truth.” (Patriarchs and Prophets, pp. 540-541)
“The Feast of Tabernacles was not only commemorative but typical (pointing forward). It not only pointed back to the wilderness sojourn, but, as the feast of harvest, it celebrated the ingathering of the fruits of the earth, and pointed forward to the great day of final ingathering, when the Lord of the harvest shall send forth His reapers to gather the tares together in bundles for the fire, and to gather the wheat into His garner. At that time the wicked will all be destroyed.” (Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 541)

 

[Stan Tei]

You don't need more than Christ?

“God will not take into his kingdom and give eternal life to those who will not come under his laws and statutes in this life.” (Signs of the Times, September 8, 1887)

“None will ever enter the city of God who do not reverence the statutes of its government.” (Signs of the Times, December 15, 1887)

 

[Stan Tei]

“The sacred statutes which Satan has hated and sought to destroy, will be honored throughout a sinless universe.” (Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 342)

“In these last days there is a call from Heaven inviting you to keep the statutes and ordinances of the Lord.” (Signs of the Times, February 3, 1888)

“At Philippi Paul tarried to keep the Passover. Only Luke remained with him, the other members of the company passing on to Troas to await him there. The Philippians were the most loving and truehearted of the apostle’s converts, and during the eight days of the feast he enjoyed peaceful and happy communion with them.” (Acts of the Apostles, pp. 390-391)

“If the children of Israel needed the benefit of these holy convocations in their time, how much more do we need them in these last days of peril and conflict! And if the people of the world then needed the light which God had committed to His church, how much more do they need it now!” (Testimonies, Vol. 6, p. 40)

 

[Castaway57]

You don't need more than Christ?

“God will not take into his kingdom and give eternal life to those who will not come under his laws and statutes in this life.” (Signs of the Times, September 8, 1887)

“None will ever enter the city of God who do not reverence the statutes of its government.” (Signs of the Times, December 15, 1887)

I guess you lost your Bible too. We get lots of folk coming to this forum trying to set us straight by whipping us with Ellen White, AT Jones or some other such stuff.

Mat 5:17 tells us that as long as the Earth remains, not one jot or tittle will pass from the law, meaning the ten commandment law. But this in no way negates the Sacrifice of Christ, and subordinates us to all of the types and shadows of the Bible. The Bible tells us that "Christ died once" for all, and it is amazing how people try to make some other writings supersede the scriptures, to say, no. We need Jesus, plus something else to be saved. Those little red books wont do you or anyone any good if you try to use them against the very Bible that they actually support, and point to.

You had better give this another try - from the Bible. That will help you to understand Ellen White's writings better.

According to many places in the Bible; all we need is Jesus. (John 1:29).

The need for the service of sacrifices and offerings ceased when type met antitype in the death of Christ. In Him the shadow reached the substance. . . . The law of God will maintain its exalted character as long as the throne of Jehovah endures. This law is the expression of God's character. . . . Types and shadows, offerings and sacrifices, had no virtue after Christ's death on the cross; but God's law was not crucified with Christ. . . . Today he [Satan] is deceiving human beings in regard to the law of God. {FLB 106.4}
The law of the ten commandments lives and will live through the eternal ages. . . . {FLB 106.5}

 

[Stan Tei]

The Feasts and Yearly Sabbaths are not shadows of Christ's death. They are eternal.
You say that the Bible doesn't mean what it says; Paul "KEPT" the feast. EGW agrees and adds her comentary .

You say EGW is taken out of context. Go see yourself what the context is. I quoted you the whole passages.

The Bible says explicitly that the Feasts are statutes. Malachi 4 tells us to remember the statutes. Ellen says we must keep the statutes. Not eating pork, is a statute.

Yuo haven't produced any evidence that they ended at the cross.

 

[Castaway57]

The Feasts and Yearly Sabbaths are not shadows of Christ's death. They are eternal.
You say that the Bible doesn't mean what it says; Paul "KEPT" the feast. EGW agrees and adds her comentary .

You say EGW is taken out of context. Go see yourself what the context is. I quoted you the whole passages.

The Bible says explicitly that the Feasts are statutes. Malachi 4 tells us to remember the statutes. Ellen says we must keep the statutes. Not eating pork, is a statute.

Yuo haven't produced any evidence that they ended at the cross.

You havent read this entire thread.

 

[Castaway57]

You don't need more than Christ?

“God will not take into his kingdom and give eternal life to those who will not come under his laws and statutes in this life.” (Signs of the Times, September 8, 1887)

“None will ever enter the city of God who do not reverence the statutes of its government.” (Signs of the Times, December 15, 1887)

You do? Of course you are free to believe as you wish; but this forum is for "Traditional Adventists;" which you certainly are not, you do not refect our official teachings at all.

 

[Castaway57]

You don't need more than Christ?

“God will not take into his kingdom and give eternal life to those who will not come under his laws and statutes in this life.” (Signs of the Times, September 8, 1887)

“None will ever enter the city of God who do not reverence the statutes of its government.” (Signs of the Times, December 15, 1887)

You preach error by making Ellen White out to say that we need more than Christ, or that we are saved by Christ, plus the law. What you say is not taught by the Adventist Church.

 

[Castaway57]

“Well would it be for the people of God at the present time to have a Feast of Tabernacles--a joyous commemoration of the blessings of God to them. As the children of Israel celebrated the deliverance that God had wrought for their fathers, and His miraculous preservation of them during their journeyings from Egypt, so should we gratefully call to mind the various ways He has devised for bringing us out from the world, and from the darkness of error, into the precious light of His grace and truth.” (Patriarchs and Prophets, pp. 540-541)
“The Feast of Tabernacles was not only commemorative but typical (pointing forward). It not only pointed back to the wilderness sojourn, but, as the feast of harvest, it celebrated the ingathering of the fruits of the earth, and pointed forward to the great day of final ingathering, when the Lord of the harvest shall send forth His reapers to gather the tares together in bundles for the fire, and to gather the wheat into His garner. At that time the wicked will all be destroyed.” (Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 541)

Like I said; you are using her writings out of context; and you do not refect what she actually taught - all of what she taught, neither do you reflect official Church teachings on the subject:

The need for the service of sacrifices and offerings ceased when type met antitype in the death of Christ. In Him the shadow reached the substance. . . . The law of God will maintain its exalted character as long as the throne of Jehovah endures. This law is the expression of God's character. . . . Types and shadows, offerings and sacrifices, had no virtue after Christ's death on the cross; but God's law was not crucified with Christ. {FLB 106.4}

Name one Bible text that says we are saved by Jesus, plus, even one of the ten commandments, feasts, suppers, or holy days.

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

God is approached through Jesus Christ, the Mediator, the only way through which He forgives sins. God cannot forgive sins at the expense of His justice, His holiness, and His truth. But He does forgive sins and that fully. There are no sins He will not forgive in and through the Lord Jesus Christ. This is the sinner's only hope, and if he rests here in sincere faith, he is sure of pardon and that full and free. There is only one channel and that is accessible to all, and through that channel a rich and abundant forgiveness awaits the penitent, contrite soul and the darkest sins are forgiven. {7BC 912.9}
These lessons were taught to the chosen people of God thousands of years ago, and repeated in various symbols and figures, that the work of truth might be riveted in every heart, that without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. The great lesson embodied in the sacrifice of every bleeding victim, impressed in every ceremony, inculcated by God Himself, was that through the blood of Christ alone is forgiveness of sins; yet how many carry the galling yoke and how few feel the force of this truth and act upon it personally, and derive the blessings they might receive through a perfect faith in the blood of the Lamb of God. . . . {7BC 913.1}

 

[Castaway57]

“Know therefore that the Lord thy God, He is God, the faithful God,
which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love Him and keep His
commandments to a thousand generations…thou shalt therefore keep the
commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command
thee this day, to do them.” (Deuteronomy 7:9, 11) We are to keep the
commandments, statutes (which includes God’s Holy Days), and
judgments for a thousand generations. “If God’s commandments are to be
binding for a thousand generations, it will take them into the kingdom of
God, into the presence of God and His holy angels.” (Fundamentals of
Christian Education, p. 413)

This quote you submitted above, on its own like this, does not tell Christians to keep any of the feasts or holy days or sabbath days - excepting the seventh-day Sabbath, and the other nine commandments. Many "statutes and judgements were associated with the ten commandments, but the feast days and holy days were not included.

At every passover and Feast of Tabernacles thousands of cattle were slain, and their blood caught by the priests and poured upon the altar. The Jews had become familiar with blood as a purifier from guilt, and they had almost lost sight of the fact that sin made necessary all this shedding of the blood of beasts, and that it prefigured the blood of God's dear Son which was to be shed for the life of the world, and that by the offering of sacrifices men were to be directed toward a crucified Redeemer. {3SP 21.1}
Jesus looked upon the innocent victims of sacrifice, symbolizing himself, and saw how the Jews had made these great convocations scenes of bloodshed and cruelty, thus in a great measure destroying the solemnity of the institution of sacrifices. The bringing together of such a vast number of cattle and sheep made a noisy market of the temple court, and gave scope to that
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spirit of avarice and sharp trading which characterized the leaders of the people, who endeavored to keep the business in their own hands. These persons realized immense profits by their exorbitant prices and false dealing. The indignation of Jesus was stirred; he knew that his blood, soon to be shed for the sins of the world, would be as little appreciated by the priests and elders as the blood of beasts which they kept incessantly flowing. {3SP 21.2}
In place of humble repentance of sin the sacrifice of beasts was multiplied, as if God could be conciliated by such heartless service. Samuel said: "Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice." And Isaiah, seeing through prophetic vision the apostasy of the Jews, addressed them as rulers of Sodom and Gomorrah: "Hear the word of the Lord, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah. To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord. I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?" "Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow." {3SP 22.1}

 

[Castaway57]

It is not The Feast Of Tabernacles which comes down the ages of time to this our day and age; it is the invitation of Christ:

Chap. 99 - Water for the Thirsty

In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. John 7:37. {TMK 105.1}

Once a year, at the Feast of Tabernacles, the children of Israel called to mind the time when their fathers dwelt in tents in the wilderness, as they journeyed from Egypt to the land of Canaan. The services of the last day of this feast were of peculiar solemnity, but the greatest interest centered in the ceremony that commemorated the bringing of water from the rock. When in a golden vessel the waters of Siloam were borne by the priests into the temple, and, after being mingled with wine, were poured over the sacrifice on the altar, there was great rejoicing. . . . On this occasion, above all the confusion of the crowd and the sounds of rejoicing, a voice is heard: "If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink." The attention of the people is arrested. Outwardly all is joy, but the eye of Jesus, beholding the throng with the tenderest compassion, sees the soul parched and thirsting for the waters of life. . . . {TMK 105.2}

The gracious invitation, "Come unto me, and drink," comes down through all the ages to our time. And we may stand in a position similar to that of the Jews in the time of Christ, rejoicing because the fountain of truth has been opened to us, while its living waters are not permitted to refresh our thirsty souls. We must drink. . . . {TMK 105.3}

As the children of Israel celebrated the deliverance that God wrought for their fathers, and His miraculous preservation of them during their journeyings from Egypt to the Promised Land, so should the people of God at the present time gratefully call to mind the various ways He has devised to bring them out from the world, out from the darkness of error, into the precious light of truth. . . . We should gratefully regard the old waymarks, and refresh our souls with memories of the loving-kindness of our gracious Benefactor. . . . {TMK 105.4}

As we journey onward, what a blessed privilege is ours to accept the invitation of Christ, "If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink." {TMK 105.5}

 

[Stan Tei]

Philip, one of the twelve apostles, who sleeps in Heirapolis... John, who
rested upon the bosom of our Lord... Polycarp of Smyrna... All these
observed the fourteenth day of the Passover according to the gospel
deviating in no respect, but following the rule of faith... and my relatives
always observed the day when people threw away the leaven [Abib 14]. I,
therefore, brethren, am now 65 years in the Lord, who having conferred
with the brethren throughout the world, and having studied the whole of
the sacred Scriptures, am not at all alarmed at those things whith which
I am threatened, to intimidate me. For they who are greater than I, have
said. `We ought to obey God rather than men'" (Eusebius, xxiv).
(Adventist Bible Commentary Vol 9, page 362, #656) (written by
Eusebius in 328 AD)

“Dear Friend, I have offered and still offer $1000 to any one who can
prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound, under grievous sin to
keep Sunday holy. It was the Catholic Church which made the law
obliging us to keep Sunday holy. The church made this law long after the
Bible was written. Hence said law is not in the Bible. Christ, our Lord
empowered his church to make laws binding in conscience. He said to
his apostles and their lawful successors in the priesthood “Whatsoever
you shall bind on earth shall be binding in heaven.” Matthew 16:19 &
18:17. Luke 16:19. The Catholic Church abolished not only the Sabbath,
but all the other Jewish festivals. Pray and study. I shall be always glad
to help you as long as you honestly seek the truth. Respectfully, T.
Enright CSSR.”

1Corinthians 16:8 But I will tarry at Ephesus until Pentecost.
What would Paul be doing with the day of Pentecost if it were already
"fulfilled"?

The Lunar eclipses break down as follows:
Passover April 15, 2014
Feast of Tabernacles October 8, 2014
Passover April 4, 2015
Feast of Tabernacles September 28, 2015
The two Solar eclipses connected with God’s Holy Days
in 2014-2015 occur:
Adar 29/Nisan 1(new year) March 20, 2015
Feast of Trumpets September 13, 2015
These are the signs in the Sun and Moon...
Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and
in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the
sea and the waves roaring;

“At Philippi Paul tarried to keep the Passover. Only Luke remained with
him, the other members of the company passing on to Troas to await him
there. The Philippians were the most loving and truehearted of the
apostle’s converts, and during the eight days of the feast he enjoyed
peaceful and happy communion with them.” (Acts of the Apostles, pp.
390-391)

 

[stinsonmarri]

Stan:​

Your comment on what EGW stated "At Philippi Paul tarried to keep the Passover," in the Book of Acts, she is incorrect. I know Castaway will see this and immediately jump to the wrong conclusion. However, if any one will read my comments I have consistently stated that passover was a meal and not a Appointed Set Time or a Holy day. It was never called that at all in the Old Testament. In the New Testament during the time of the Jews you will read that had become to be call this in place of the Week of Unleavened Bread. YAHSHUA nor HIS disciple call the supper a Holy day. And Luke clearly explain that it was named that by the Jews.​

And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it. And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is YAHWEH'S passover. Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover. And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons forever. And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service? That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the YAHWEH'S passover, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when HE smote the Egyptians, and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped. Ex 12:7, 8, 11, 21, 24, 26 ​

Now the first of the Unleavened Bread the disciples came to YAHSHUA, saying unto HIM, Where wilt THOU that we prepare for THEE to eat the passover? Matt 26:17 (I removed what is italic both day and the feast which is a pagan name given to Holy Appointed Set Time)

After two days was the passover, and of Unleavened Bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take HIM by craft, and put HIM to death. And the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they killed the passover, HIS disciples said unto HIM, Where wilt THOU that we go and prepare that THOU mayest eat the passover? Mark 14:1, 12 ​

Now the Holy Days of Unleavened Bread drew nigh, which is called the passover. Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, when the passover must be killed. Luke 22:1, 7 ​

We have many lessons to learn, and many, many to unlearn. ELOHIM and Heaven alone are Infallible. Those who think that they will never have to give up a cherished view, never have occasion to change an opinion, will be disappointed. As long as we hold to our own ideas and opinions with determined persistency, we cannot have the unity for which YAHSHUA prayed.--The Review and Herald, July 26, 1892. 1SM p. 37​

I cannot express enough that the early SDA Church took or understood what known at that time. EGW thought as did all Protestants that the passover was a holy day and it was not! It was a service, an ordinance, a ritual, a ceremony, an act that was always done on the evening or the night part of the Unleavened Bread Holy day called "Holy Assemblies or Convocations" This exactly what the Bible indicate in the Old Testament. What I stand firm with EGW is what was shown to her that concur with the Bible 100% but you will never read in any of her writings the YAHWEH, YAHSHUA, an angel have ever showed her that these Holy Appointed Set Times were nailed to the cross or that the passover was called a Holy Day. It was a service at one time done on a Holy Set Time. The passover was over and instituted in its place today is the service of YAHSHUA supper, yes to held only once a year which is coming soon. You will never and I mean never find in Acts or any other writings of the Apostles to observe the passover but they continue to obey the Command to keep all of the Holy Appointed Set Times that YAHWEH ELOHIM commanded to observe.

Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, and in the seventh day shall be a Holy Set Solemn Pilgrimage to YAHWEH. Ex 13:6 (removed the pagan word feast- Hebrew word chag was a Holy Pilgrimage)​

Thou shalt keep the Holy Set Solemn Pilgrimage of Unleavened Bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty. Ex 23:15

The Holy Set Solemn Pilgrimage of Unleavened Bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt. Ex 34:18 ​

And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Holy Set Solemn Pilgrimage of Unleavened Bread unto YAHWEH: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. In the first day ye shall have an Holy Convocation (Assembly): ye shall do no servile work therein. Lev 23:6, 7 ​

And in the fifteenth day of this month is the Holy Set Solem Pilgrimage: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten. Num 28:17 ​

And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of Unleavened Bread.) Act 12:3 ​

And we sailed away from Philippi after the days Unleavened Bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days. Act 20:6 ​

Therefore let us keep the Holy Day, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 1Co 5:8​

I now want to express this I was looking up Scriptures about the Unleavened Bread and found one that will prove for now on that Paul repeated the Old Testament. This text should prove that there were no ceremonials sabbath which is a lie and that the laws of Moses were the rituals or sacrifices and YAHWEH'S Commands were the Sabbaths, New Moons, Holy Set Time. Look at this text and then Paul text in Colossians.​

2Chronicles 8:12, 13​

Then Solomon offered burnt offerings to YAHWEH on YAHWEH'S altar which he had built before the [Temple] porch or vestibule, A certain number every day, offering as Moses commanded for the Sabbaths, the New Moons, and the Solemn Holy Appointed Set Times days three times in the year—the Holy Set Solemn Pilgrimage of Unleavened Bread, of Weeks, and of Tabernacles. (Removed the pagan word feast to the Hebrew word Moed that is called Holy Appointed Set Times.) Amplified Version​

Then Solomon offered burnt offerings unto YAHWEH on the altar of YAHWEH, which he had built before the porch, Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the law of Moses, on the Sabbaths, and on the New Moons, and on the Solemn Holy Appointed Set Times, three times in the year, even in the Holy Set Solemn Pilgrimage of Unleavened Bread, and in the Holy Set Solemn Pilgrimage of Weeks, and in the Holy Set Solemn Pilgrimage of Tabernacles. ​

Colossians 2:16​

Therefore let no one judge you in food or in drink, or in respect of Holy Days, or of the Appointed Set Time of the New Moon, or of the Sabbaths. (Again replace the pagan words to their actual meaning related to the same meaning in Hebrew) (MKJV) ​

It is clearly show that Moses laws (the handwritings that were taking out of the way), also commanded by YAHWEH were the services or sacrifices to be done on the Sabbaths, the New Moons and the Holy Appointed Set times were the Statutes written by YAHWEH also on the tables of stones. ​

And YAHWEH said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a Law, and Commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. Ex 24:12 (Law in Hebrew is Torah which means Statutes.)​

Blessings,​

stinonmarri

 

[stinsonmarri]

Castaway:​

I am delighted to discuss this Text along with another.

For HE established a Testimony in Jacob, and Appointed a Law in Israel, which HE Commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children: That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children: That they might set their hope in ELOHIM, and not forget the works of ELOHIM, but keep HIS Commandments: And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with ELOHIM. The children of Ephraim, being armed, and carrying bows, turned back in the day of battle. They kept not the Covenant of ELOHIM, and refused to walk in his law; Psa 78:5-10 ​

My Covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of MY Lips. Psa 89:34 ​

Covenant. [Heb. berith, “covenant,” “agreement,” “arrangement”; Gr. diatheke, “last will and testament,” “decree,” “compact,” “agreement,” “covenant.”] SDA Dictionary​

Decree: An authoritative order having the force of law. Dictionary, Encyclopedia and Thesaurus - The Free Dictionary​

Compact: "agreement," 1590s, from Latin compactum "agreement," noun use of neuter pp. of compacisci "come to agreement," from com- "together" (see com-) + pacisci "to covenant, contract" (see pact). Etymology Online

Agreement: The act of agreeing, accord, an arrangement between parties regarding a course of action; a covenant. A law properly executed and legally binding contract, and the writing or document embodying this contract. Dictionary, Encyclopedia and Thesaurus - The Free Dictionary​

god: that which is invoked But some trace it to PIE *ghu-to- "poured," from root *gheu- "to pour, pour a libation" (source of Greek khein "to pour," also in the phrase khute gaia "poured earth," referring to a burial mound; see found (v.2)). "Given the Greek facts, the Germanic form may have referred in the first instance to the spirit immanent in a burial mound" [Watkins]. Cf. also Zeus (supreme god of the ancient Greeks, 1706, from Greek, from PIE *dewos- "god" (cf. Latin deus "god," Old Persian daiva- "demon, evil god," Old Church Slavonic deivai, Sanskrit deva-), from root *dyeu- "to gleam, to shine;" also the root of words for "sky" and "day" (see diurnal). The god-sense is originally "shining," but "whether as originally sun-god or as lightener" is not now clear.). Not related to good. Etymology Online ​

It is strange to me that anyone would not know that a covenant is an agreement or contract. It can be verbal or written and it contains a law(s) that is upheld in court! YAHWEH and man had an agreement which he would obey ELOHIM and be rulers over the earth under the condition not to eat of the Tree of Good and Evil. If man did he would come under the penalty of eminent death and he did. He could no longer sustain life not being able to from the Tree of Life. Adam and all outside of the Garden of Eden started the process of dying. Because the Law under the original Covenant stated clearly that only way man can be saved is through shed innocent blood. YAHWEH'S Universal Law requires that penalty as any contract if breech requires a penalty! A new Contract agreement was given in Gen 3:15 and renew again under Noah, Melchizedek, Abraham, Jacob/Israel, Children of Israel, but was ratified individually for all after the death of YAHSHUA who became the RATIFIER or PASSOVER. And sadly that is why you, the SDA church, the other Protestant Churches, and the Catholic Church cannot understand the Law and the Covenant. When you do you will understand the message of Investigated Judgment in Heaven begin on an Holy Appointed Set "that had fully come," like when the disciples on the correct day received the Latter Rain on the Day of Pentecost. Simply the sacrifices of killing animals were temporary requirements and things that will happen on those days are "shadows of things to come" as we continue to observed them correctly according to YAHWEH'S Statute! I will observe them because I know on the day of Pentecost the Latter Rain is that extra oil that the wise virgins had. They will hear the cry "the BRIDEGROOM is coming," (HE still had not arrived just yet), by going out to meet HIM, the wise virgins will use that extra oil to finish the Gospel. It will be during the Time of Trouble. When they complete their work with the HOLY SPIRIT, after the destruction of harlot and the unholy city Jerusalem/Babylon and finally the beast/man, and the false prophet/USA, YAHSHUA the BRIDGROOM will come and those who will have their white garment will be invited in to ever be with the FATHER, SON, and HOLY SPIRIT forever-amen!​

Blessings,​

stinsonmarri

 

[Castaway57]

Castaway:​

I am delighted to discuss this Text along with another.

For HE established a Testimony in Jacob, and Appointed a Law in Israel, which HE Commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children: That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children: That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep HIS Commandments: And might not be as their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation; a generation that set not their heart aright, and whose spirit was not stedfast with God. The children of Ephraim, being armed, and carrying bows, turned back in the day of battle. They kept not the Covenant of God, and refused to walk in his law; Psa 78:5-10 ​

My Covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of MY Lips. Psa 89:34 ​

Covenant. [Heb. berith, “covenant,” “agreement,” “arrangement”; Gr. diatheke, “last will and testament,” “decree,” “compact,” “agreement,” “covenant.”] SDA Dictionary​

Decree: An authoritative order having the force of law. Dictionary, Encyclopedia and Thesaurus - The Free Dictionary​

Compact: "agreement," 1590s, from Latin compactum "agreement," noun use of neuter pp. of compacisci "come to agreement," from com- "together" (see com-) + pacisci "to covenant, contract" (see pact). Etymology Online

Agreement: The act of agreeing, accord, an arrangement between parties regarding a course of action; a covenant. A law properly executed and legally binding contract, and the writing or document embodying this contract. Dictionary, Encyclopedia and Thesaurus - The Free Dictionary​

god: that which is invoked But some trace it to PIE *ghu-to- "poured," from root *gheu- "to pour, pour a libation" (source of Greek khein "to pour," also in the phrase khute gaia "poured earth," referring to a burial mound; see found (v.2)). "Given the Greek facts, the Germanic form may have referred in the first instance to the spirit immanent in a burial mound" [Watkins]. Cf. also Zeus (supreme god of the ancient Greeks, 1706, from Greek, from PIE *dewos- "god" (cf. Latin deus "god," Old Persian daiva- "demon, evil god," Old Church Slavonic deivai, Sanskrit deva-), from root *dyeu- "to gleam, to shine;" also the root of words for "sky" and "day" (see diurnal). The god-sense is originally "shining," but "whether as originally sun-god or as lightener" is not now clear.). Not related to good. Etymology Online ​

It is strange to me that anyone would not know that a covenant is an agreement or contract. It can be verbal or written and it contains a law(s) that is upheld in court! YAHWEH and man had an agreement which he would obey ELOHIM and be rulers over the earth under the condition not to eat of the Tree of Good and Evil. If man did he would come under the penalty of eminent death and he did. He could no longer sustain life not being able to from the Tree of Life. Adam and all outside of the Garden of Eden started the process of dying. Because the Law under the original Covenant stated clearly that only way man can be saved is through shed innocent blood. YAHWEH'S Universal Law requires that penalty as any contract if breech requires a penalty! A new Contract agreement was given in Gen 3:15 and renew again under Noah, Melchizedek, Abraham, Jacob/Israel, Children of Israel, but was ratified individually for all after the death of YAHSHUA who became the RATIFIER or PASSOVER. And sadly that is why you, the SDA church, the other Protestant Churches, and the Catholic Church cannot understand the Law and the Covenant. When you do you will understand the message of Investigated Judgment in Heaven begin on an Holy Appointed Set "that had fully come," like when the disciples on the correct day received the Latter Rain on the Day of Pentecost. Simply the sacrifices of killing animals were temporary requirements and things that will happen on those days are "shadows of things to come" as we continue to observed them correctly according to JESUS'S Statute! I will observe them because I know on the day of Pentecost the Latter Rain is that extra oil that the wise virgins had. They will hear the cry "the BRIDEGROOM is coming," (HE still had not arrived just yet), by going out to meet HIM, the wise virgins will use that extra oil to finish the Gospel. It will be during the Time of Trouble. When they complete their work with the HOLY SPIRIT, after the destruction of harlot and the unholy city Jerusalem/Babylon and finally the beast/man, and the false prophet/USA, Jesus the BRIDGROOM will come and those who will have their white garment will be invited in to ever be with the FATHER, SON, and HOLY SPIRIT forever-amen!​

Blessings,​

stinsonmarri

Gen 3:15 is not a "covenant" or a "contract." It is a promise. I have said several times in this thread that the covenant is an agreement about the ten commandments, and all you have done in your last post here is to digress into a different topic. You have not shown how the OP is wrong.