Fear of losing salvation

[dqhall]

I can hardly bring myself to do anything right now, all I can do is focus on my fears. I want to die but fear death more than I ever have. I just want peace with Christ. I fear that the LORD hates me. Like the passages with Esau, He might hate me and there's nothing I can do. (Like: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." And that Esau could not get his birthright even seeking it WITH TEARS)

I hear so many people bringing up the literal wording of the unpardonable sin passages and saying they hate people twisting blasphemy (which is modernly defined as defiant irreverence or slander) into persistent unbelief. That people do this to deny that some living people have done something to secure their condemnation while they're still alive. This, and Jesus's own words "By your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned." Make me fear. So I'll ask, and please refrain from calling me dramatic this is no small business, is there hope? Is it forgivable only in ignorance? Impulsive thoughts? As long as you don't mean it? Once you stop living that way? Can anyone be forgiven as long as they have physical breath?

Is the sin WILLING or WILLFUL? Speaking certain words or deliberate disbelief?

I fear I will never have peace again. I miss the days where I could lay in the sunshine and appreciate God's love and His amazing creations but now I can mainly just fear.

God taught us that if we repent we will be forgiven. It is wrong to kill, thus it is also wrong to kill yourself. Some of those who hated their lives, turned their lives over to God. It you no longer fear death and are willing to testify on behalf of God, you might have a chance. Someone Old Testament character losing his inheritance should not impact you. A good apple tree bears an abundant crop. It is kept with fertilizer, pruning, irrigation, pesticides etc. If you become a Christian you will learn the NT and some of its context from the OT. Your fear may be based on wrongs you have done, or wrongs others have done to you. Do no wrong. It is better to suffer for doing good, than for doing bad.

 

[DeerGlow]

Do not fear



Fear NOT dear brother in Jesus.

The "unpardonable sin" you can NOT commit as long as you are alive!. I know, I know; this is going to get me flamed from here to eternity, but please follow along:

Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

NOTICE with sincere and fervent in-depth thought, consider what Jesus said in the first verse. He meant that EVERY sin man had EVER committed or ever would commit, WILL be pardoned on judgment day. IF Jesus gave no exceptions, it means that Jesus' death paid for EVERY sin that could ever be committed past, present or future.

But Jesus DID give ONE exception, and ONLY one. It is called as you see; "Blaspheming against the Holy Ghost". But notice in verse 28, that ALL other blasphemies WILL be forgiven. This is so important; since MOST do not see this; as I didn't for over 70 yrs!. But it is true that ALL blasphemies (there are a myriad of blasphemies that one can commit throughout life) EXCEPT for one blasphemy.

But WHAT is "blaspheming against the Holy Ghost"? That is the question. I assure you that if you were to ask a 1,000 preachers to explain that, you are liable to get many, many different answers. Even more if you ask 10,000 Christians; believe it or not. Try it!

I would NOT be surprised if there were not different interpretations in this very thread. Look and see.

So what is it? How does one find out? Where do you go? This is the questions. OK the answer is quite simple. Indeed it is.

Jesus said, John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Notice, He never said "scripture" or the "church" or a "bible" or a "priest", was the "way". He said HE was the way. He was the truth!

Then GO to HIM alone. ON your knees in sincere prayer and ask Him to explain it to you. I did NOT do that for over 70 yrs because I had been brainwashed that ALL that I needed was to "Read the bible". But I had read it for almost 3/4's of a century and like you, I worried (needlessly) about it.

Withing days of that prayer the answer became obvious that it could NOT be ANY sin that I had ever thought of or any sin that others had described. So it HAD to be a sin that is beyond "worldly" thinking.

I then realized that it was a sin that HAD to be the moment I die in the following scenario: Since Jesus accepted and "saved" a thief "on the cross" just moments before he would be dead, that means that salvation can come right up to the point of death. Even on a death bed with a person drawing their last breath. So what IS it that makes death so final when it comes to salvation?

It simply means that a person has said "NO" one time too often, the moment they die. Since they HAVE until their dying breath to say "Yes". So IF they have not said "Yes" by the time they draw their last breath, they then HAVE committed the "Unpardonable sin". IE: "Blaspheming against the Holy Ghost! BECAUSE the Holy Ghost HAS been calling them since birth. And that "voice" goes silent upon death!

IF they die and have not believed IN Jesus; that is, believed that HE is the ONLY true God who was manifest IN the flesh: 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was "manifest in the flesh", justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory; then they have committed the ONLY sin Jesus did not die for..

So relax dear brother. You are as saved as much as ANY one could ever be saved. HOWEVER your sins WILL be punished "7 fold" for EVERY sin you commit while IN the flesh. (As your good deeds are blessed 10 fold EVERY day).

Oh indeed they are: Leviticus 26:28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.

And consider HOW much He blessed Moses, Daniel and countless others for their good deeds. Yet He punished them for their sins also. Check it out!

Note: Jesus' "sacrifice" does NOT mean we go unpunished for our sins. For his "sacrifice" meant He PAID for the sins and on judgment day we will receive a 100 percent "pardon". This fact is where MOST "religionists" fail in their thinking; because they have not asked for wisdom. For without wisdom, NO one will understand a word of scripture, believe it or not.

Finally:One can NOT lose their salvation. I know, I know MOST Christians adamantly believe you can. But you can NOT. For IF a person could lose their salvation, we ALL will go to hell. No "If's", NO "And's" and NO "But's". Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come "short" of the glory of God; 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

IF Jesus did not pay for ALL sins (when it comes to going to hell), with the exception of the "Unpardonable sin"; then we ALL go to hell for our daily sins. Oh indeed yes.

Believe it or not.

May Jesus richly bless you always dear brother IN Jesus.

P. S.: If the above doesn't get me tarred and feathered, the following WILL:

Hebrews 10:26 is either a bold faced lie; OR Jesus is! And Jesus was NO liar. This is why the likes of the Martin Luther's (Catholic Priest in Wittenberg Germany in 1517), Thomas Jefferson's and countless other " bible scholars" stated that the book of Hebrews was "garbage"

I agree 100%; because even though the book says some things that are correct, the verse above (and others) is pure nonsense. For IF it was true, NO one goes to Heaven. Get this, NO one has any credible evidence of who even wrote the book . We ALL sin "willfully" ALL the time. And the truth has been heard enough to fill 10 battleships!

If you do not believe it, take it to Jesus and ask Him, in sincere prayer to give you the truth.

Try it! You may be surprised. Promise!

Again, may He bless you dear sir.

patdee

I wouldn't call HEBREWS 10:26 a lie... from what I know of it, it's not one time consenting to sin, its living a lifestyle of unrepentant sin.


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[eternity75]

DeerGlow, I had your same question once. I prayed for God to reveal answers to me and I read the Bible in search of those answers and read online pages about what blaspemy of the Holy Spirit is. I was also terrified that maybe I had unwittingly committed the unpardonable sin, even though I couldn't specifically even remember having done it, the idea terrified me and caused me a lot of worry. I learned a couple of things. You cannot read one scripture and apply it to everything, you must read the context of the scripture. In the context, Jesus cast out a demon in front of a group of Pharisees, and even though they watched him do it, they commented that it must be Beelzebul, Prince of demons (aka Satan) who cast out the demon. What bigger insult against the work of the Holy Spirit in Jesus, than to have His good works attributed to Satan? That is what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit really is...to take what is God's, the good things God has done in our lives, perhaps good fortune, perhaps a miracle of some kind, and attributing those to Satan.

The fact is, if you feel repentant, if you feel guilty after realizing you have committed ANY sin, that shows God's Holy Spirit is bright and shining in it's work within you. The law of the old testament, the 10 commandments, showed that we are weak and cannot possibly keep God's commandments perfectly. The Holy Spirit gently reminds us to repent, to turn away from sin, to ask forgiveness when we sin, to try and do better next time. Our lives do not change overnight and we suddenly stop sinning. The Holy Spirit within us actually serves to make us MORE aware of our sins, so that we can work bit by bit on changing them. It's a gradual transformation that takes place within us, like baby steps. A person who does not have the Holy Spirit is often blind or uncaring towards their sin. They may not even know they are sinning, if they do they likely don't care. Someone with the Holy Spirit cares, and cares a lot! It is why we face such struggles. It would be easier to go through life sinning at will and feeling little guilt or remorse, but the easy way doesn't lead to an eternity spent with God. So feel blessed that you even feel guilt or fear or shame when you screw up...because the Holy Spirit within you is a gentle reminder and nudge in the right direction, guiding you to where you need to go.

This link may help: https://gotquestions.org/blasphemy-Holy-Spirit.html

Wishing you the best. Keep praying and studying the Bible and you will find the answers you look for. I know I always do!

 

[geiroffenberg]

I can hardly bring myself to do anything right now, all I can do is focus on my fears. I want to die but fear death more than I ever have. I just want peace with Christ. I fear that the LORD hates me. Like the passages with Esau, He might hate me and there's nothing I can do. (Like: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." And that Esau could not get his birthright even seeking it WITH TEARS)

I hear so many people bringing up the literal wording of the unpardonable sin passages and saying they hate people twisting blasphemy (which is modernly defined as defiant irreverence or slander) into persistent unbelief. That people do this to deny that some living people have done something to secure their condemnation while they're still alive. This, and Jesus's own words "By your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned." Make me fear. So I'll ask, and please refrain from calling me dramatic this is no small business, is there hope? Is it forgivable only in ignorance? Impulsive thoughts? As long as you don't mean it? Once you stop living that way? Can anyone be forgiven as long as they have physical breath?

Is the sin WILLING or WILLFUL? Speaking certain words or deliberate disbelief?

I fear I will never have peace again. I miss the days where I could lay in the sunshine and appreciate God's love and His amazing creations but now I can mainly just fear.

Unpardonable sin just means a person is dead to the holy spirit, so in fact is denying the holy spirit. The spirit is the one that is given to convict the world of sin so they can repent amd belive, as jesus said in john 16. So of course, if the conscience of a person is such that he does not care at all, theres no way the holy spirit can convict that person, so thats the only sin that can not be pardoned, but dont forget the whole point of the verse "all sins and blasphemies shall be forgiven men"

Thats all sins. And that means all sins. Got to read the whole thing lol. Youre safe. Once you know how ridicolous siple it is to be reckoned rigfhtoues, you will never doubt your salvation again. Been there done that, its not possible now for any doubt or condemnation to get me down, and its been like this for years and years and years, but i was heavily under condemnation before i udnerstood the blood.

 

[DoubtfulSalvation]

What your describing sounds more like scrupulosity to me. I've suffered from it since I was a child and found that nothing ever helped. It didn't help to go to church, talk to a pastor, read my bible 100 times or pray. The only thing that ended up helping were anxiety meds. Now thanks to Go...Meds, I'm completely worry free!

On an even more serious note. I personally think God wants his servants to live in a state of perpetual fear. That why salvation isn't a clear doctrine in the Bible. Not as clear as it should be, anyhow. See, no one gets in fights or has decided to split up into to 33,000 denominations over what the ten commandments are. So, why did God overly complicate salvation? Fear. In this forum alone you will hear opinions from everyone that contradicts everything everyone believes in. No one can agree at all. So, why is the greatest doctrine in the world left up to chance? Seems a bit irresponsible to me.

I'd tell you to read your Bible and pray if I didn't really care about you, but since I've done all that to no avail, I will advise you that this could be actually be anxiety that is very treatable. Wouldn't hurt to try. Remember, you are the one suffering. These other people aren't. You are what matters.

 

[Jan001]

Unpardonable sin just means a person is dead to the holy spirit, so in fact is denying the holy spirit. The spirit is the one that is given to convict the world of sin so they can repent amd belive, as jesus said in john 16. So of course, if the conscience of a person is such that he does not care at all, theres no way the holy spirit can convict that person, so thats the only sin that can not be pardoned, but dont forget the whole point of the verse "all sins and blasphemies shall be forgiven men"

Thats all sins. And that means all sins. Got to read the whole thing lol. Youre safe. Once you know how ridicolous siple it is to be reckoned rigfhtoues, you will never doubt your salvation again. Been there done that, its not possible now for any doubt or condemnation to get me down, and its been like this for years and years and years, but i was heavily under condemnation before i udnerstood the blood.

It seems to me that Jesus contradicts your belief that a Christian cannot lose his salvation.

Luke 8:13
And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy; but these have no root, they believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. rsv​

A person does not continue to believe in God if he does not also continue to obey His commandments.

For example: When a Christian commits adultery or fornication, he loses his salvation. He has denied Jesus Christ by his evil works/deeds and he will not inherit the kingdom of God if he does not confess and repent of this sin.before he dies.

Titus 1:16
They profess to know God, but they deny him by their deeds; they are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good deed. rsv

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. rsv

1 John 2:4
He who says “I know him” but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
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What happens to unfaithful Christians (liars) who do not obey God's commandments?

Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.” rsv

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[marineimaging]

I can hardly bring myself to do anything right now, all I can do is focus on my fears. I want to die but fear death more than I ever have. I just want peace with Christ. I fear that the LORD hates me. Like the passages with Esau, He might hate me and there's nothing I can do. (Like: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." And that Esau could not get his birthright even seeking it WITH TEARS)

Ask if your sins are greater that Davids. Did you have the spouse of your lust murdered? Did you argue against God and have your life posted in the Bible for all eternity? Yet, God loved David. Take heart that he Loves you as much. Satan cannot take the soul of a repentant sinner who believes and follows Christ. But he sure seems able to mess with us and keep us from going out and witnessing because of our weaknesses. Leave your home one morning with the intention of going out and looking for an opportunity to witness about Christ one time to one person. Do it again next week and you will have done more for Christ in a week than millions who call themselves Christians.

 

[Jan001]

I can hardly bring myself to do anything right now, all I can do is focus on my fears. I want to die but fear death more than I ever have. I just want peace with Christ. I fear that the LORD hates me. Like the passages with Esau, He might hate me and there's nothing I can do. (Like: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." And that Esau could not get his birthright even seeking it WITH TEARS)

I hear so many people bringing up the literal wording of the unpardonable sin passages and saying they hate people twisting blasphemy (which is modernly defined as defiant irreverence or slander) into persistent unbelief. That people do this to deny that some living people have done something to secure their condemnation while they're still alive. This, and Jesus's own words "By your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned." Make me fear. So I'll ask, and please refrain from calling me dramatic this is no small business, is there hope? Is it forgivable only in ignorance? Impulsive thoughts? As long as you don't mean it? Once you stop living that way? Can anyone be forgiven as long as they have physical breath?

Is the sin WILLING or WILLFUL? Speaking certain words or deliberate disbelief?

I fear I will never have peace again. I miss the days where I could lay in the sunshine and appreciate God's love and His amazing creations but now I can mainly just fear.

God loves you. God loves all the people that He has made.

God did not actually hate Esau.

Genesis 1:31
And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day. rsv​

God did prefer Jacob to be the leader of His own chosen people because He knew before Esau was born that Esau would not value his birthright and therefore he would sell it to simply satisfy his fleshly desire for food. Esau was simply not fit to become the leader of God's Chosen People and therefore God chose Jacob instead.

Luke 14:26
“If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. rsv
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God does not require us to hate our parents and family in order to follow Him. What He requires is that we love Him more than we love our parents and family. God requires that we obey Him instead of our family members if what they demand of us offends God.

There are three types of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit that I know of.

One is to attribute uncleanness to the Holy Spirit which is called blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Some scribes were guilty of this sin. Mark 3:22-30

Another type of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is to presumptuously neglect to confess and repent of the spiritually deadly sins such as adultery and fornication that a person has committed before his death because of his belief that he will continue to be saved no matter what sins he does. Jesus explains what happens to these foolish Christians in Luke 13:23-27 and in Matthew 7:20-23.

The third type of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is to believe that one's sins are so great that God is not able to forgive them. Judas was probably guilty of this sin. Matthew 27:3-5

Now, about your own dilemma:

If you have confessed and repented of all your sins and have also done good deeds worthy of your repentance, you can be assured that God has forgiven you all your past sins. Acts 26:20

From now on:

Philippians 4:8

Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is gracious, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. rsv

2 Peter 1:1-11
Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours in the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
2 May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
3 His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, 4 by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, that through these you may escape from the corruption that is in the world because of passion, and become partakers of the divine nature. 5 For this very reason make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, 6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, 7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For whoever lacks these things is blind and shortsighted and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. 10 Therefore, brethren, be the more zealous to confirm your call and election, for if you do this you will never fall; 11 so there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. rsv

Ephesians 6:10-19
Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having girded your loins with truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the equipment of the gospel of peace; 16 besides all these, taking the shield of faith, with which you can quench all the flaming darts of the evil one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18 Pray at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints,
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[Jonathan Mathews]

Don't kill yourself. You are right to fear God regarding suicide. God's Word says "Whoever destroys the temple of God, I will destroy him." And Satan would LOVE to see you commit suicide. This is why he trys to convince people they're DAMNED when really, God's hands are continually stretched out towards you (*except if someone commits the Unpardonable sin, which you haven't ... I will explain below)

Esau was "hated" before he did anything right or wrong. Jacob was "loved" before he did anything right or wrong. By this, we see that "loved" and "hated" are God's way of saying He would show Mercy and Grace according to His own will, not the "good" or "bad" deeds of man. And He chose to show Mercy and Grace to Jacob/Israel because Jesus Christ, the only Righteous person, was to be born thru Jacob's lineage. It had NOTHING to do with Jacob's 'righteousness' or Esau's 'wickedness', but EVERYTHING to do with the Word of God coming into the world ..... Jesus Christ.

So now, you only need to know now whether or not God will give His Mercy and Grace to YOU personally! Is it God's will to freely give you His Mercy and Grace or will He Damn you? Satan always wants you to believe you are DAMNED FOREVER. But God's own Word has the answer you need:

"God is not willing that ANY should perish, but that all should come to repentance". If you are alive and have not received the Mark of the Beast (which I assume you have not), than there is a Living Hope available for you today.

Whoever trusts in Christ Jesus' work on the cross, BECOMING sin in our place, and absorbing God's Wrath against sin, dying, and raising from the dead (proving God's Wrath was satisfied)... whoever believes this, RECEIVES GOD'S MERCY (pardon) AND GRACE (Blessing/Favor) FOREVER! It has NOTHING to do with your "good" or "bad" deeds. Whoever trusts in Christ Jesus' work, and NOT their own efforts, believing Jesus rose from the dead, receives the Holy Spirit, God's promise to love, keep, and deliver you from all your sin and the entire sinful world.... to the end of time and into the next life.

There are only 2 "unpardonable" sins, but they are really the same. 1 is Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit. This is the continued and eternal rejection of God's Holy Spirit who continually pursues your heart. The fruit of this Blaspheme includes calling the Holy Spirit DEMONIC, when you KNOW it's really God and His Love. If you reject the Holy Spirit forever, it cannot be forgiven because it is that very Holy Spirit WITHIN you that SEALS your soul and spirit for God ETERNALLY.

The 2nd unpardonable sin is related to the 1st. It is receiving the Mark of the Beast, which you can only do by rejecting the Holy Spirit eternally, and worshiping the Anti-Christ to the point of receiving the Mark of his name, which is the number of his name "Xes" symbols (Chi Xi stigma, or 666 or "In the name of Allah Jihad") in your hand or forehead. Satan CANNOT mark someone with the Beast's Mark who already has the Holy Spirit, and to get the Mark of the Beast, you MUST choose to worship a man other than Jesus Christ, thereby completely rejecting the Holy Spirit, to receive the Mark of the Beast.

But what you REALLY need to know is how God feels about you. Unconfessed, unrepented sin makes us FEEL hated by God. That is God's conviction on us. But remember 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sin, He is faithful and Just to forgive us our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

If you have confessed your sin to Jesus Christ and asked Him for the Holy Spirit, YOU ARE SAVED! God ALWAYS gives the Holy Spirit to those who ask. It's HIS OWN PROMISE!

So finally, you simply need to ask yourself this one question..... Is the shed blood of Jesus Christ enough to pay for all your sin? What is more valuable? What WEIGHS more? All your sin, or the Blood of the Righteous Son of God?

Jesus is MORE than enough to pay for all your sin. And THIS is why you can KNOW that God will always love you...if you trust Jesus Christ is enough for you.... if you are trusting Jesus, God freely offers you Mercy and Grace (pardon and favor).

 

[Microgirl]

I can hardly bring myself to do anything right now, all I can do is focus on my fears. I want to die but fear death more than I ever have. I just want peace with Christ. I fear that the LORD hates me. Like the passages with Esau, He might hate me and there's nothing I can do. (Like: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." And that Esau could not get his birthright even seeking it WITH TEARS)

I hear so many people bringing up the literal wording of the unpardonable sin passages and saying they hate people twisting blasphemy (which is modernly defined as defiant irreverence or slander) into persistent unbelief. That people do this to deny that some living people have done something to secure their condemnation while they're still alive. This, and Jesus's own words "By your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned." Make me fear. So I'll ask, and please refrain from calling me dramatic this is no small business, is there hope? Is it forgivable only in ignorance? Impulsive thoughts? As long as you don't mean it? Once you stop living that way? Can anyone be forgiven as long as they have physical breath?

Is the sin WILLING or WILLFUL? Speaking certain words or deliberate disbelief?

I fear I will never have peace again. I miss the days where I could lay in the sunshine and appreciate God's love and His amazing creations but now I can mainly just fear.

You are not the only Christian that has gone through this. The fact that you fear God is a GOOD sign. But what you need to hear right now is pure gospel. You are beating the law over your head, and it is terrifying you. God IS faithful and just to forgive our sins if we confess them to him. Christ is for you. Set your eyes on his cross for it is there you will find assurance, not by looking at your sinfulness. You will constantly be fighting your sinful nature until the day you die. Satan is trying to make you doubt that Christ died for you and forgives you of all your sins. Don't listen to him! He knows he's doomed and will try his literal damnedest to drag people with him. But he has NO power over you because of Christ.

 

[sparow]

I can hardly bring myself to do anything right now, all I can do is focus on my fears. I want to die but fear death more than I ever have. I just want peace with Christ. I fear that the LORD hates me. Like the passages with Esau, He might hate me and there's nothing I can do. (Like: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." And that Esau could not get his birthright even seeking it WITH TEARS)

I hear so many people bringing up the literal wording of the unpardonable sin passages and saying they hate people twisting blasphemy (which is modernly defined as defiant irreverence or slander) into persistent unbelief. That people do this to deny that some living people have done something to secure their condemnation while they're still alive. This, and Jesus's own words "By your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned." Make me fear. So I'll ask, and please refrain from calling me dramatic this is no small business, is there hope? Is it forgivable only in ignorance? Impulsive thoughts? As long as you don't mean it? Once you stop living that way? Can anyone be forgiven as long as they have physical breath?

Is the sin WILLING or WILLFUL? Speaking certain words or deliberate disbelief?

I fear I will never have peace again. I miss the days where I could lay in the sunshine and appreciate God's love and His amazing creations but now I can mainly just fear.

I have not read the other posts so I may duplicate what others have said. There is no sin that cannot be forgiven if you repent. The unforgivable sin is to reject the Holy Spirit, or reject God, but it is only unforgiveable if the rejection continues unrepented. Blaspheming the Holy spirit may not be recoverable from because repentance requires God's participation. Salvation is not by sinlessness it is by repentfulness.

 

[sparow]

The person committing the unforgivable sin doesn't care that they are.

Christ died for sins of those who will completely throw themselves on the mercy of God, who cover themselves with his cloak and ask for him to be their kinsman-redeemer. And on the Day of Judgment, your deeds will prove if you were honest in your desire.

Your deeds prove who your master is, they do not save or condemn you. Your faith saves you. Your only hope is that he died "For You." That's all faith is. "It was for me." If you come to a point where you want it and would die to keep it, you have it.

John Piper has a great short about Revelation where it talks of being blotted out of the Book of Life. http://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/can-i-be-blotted-from-the-book-of-life

True believers want nothing but Jesus.

I disagree with John Piper. In the messages to the seven churches only two of the churches are guaranteed salvation, no condemnation, but are still asked to overcome.

Jesus begins with praise and follows with criticism. Two churches receive no praise (from memory, I haven't just read this) and these churches have good reason to be afraid; one church is about to be spewed out of His mouth.

To Pergamos; much praise much condemnation; these if they overcome receive a new name which means to me that their old name has been removed it could also mean they start with a clean slate; their previous stripes and rewards forgotten.

I see John Piper creating false sense of security as though Jesus is not serious about the threats He makes. He would do a greater service if he put the fear of God int people.

 

[Winken]

I've asked, but if someone commits the unpardonable sin they could ask for all of eternity (hypothetically since humans don't live that long) and not be forgiven.


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It has been made clear to you in these forums that the only unpardonable sin is the failure to accept Jesus as Savior. Get over it! Rejoice!

 

[Winken]

That's part of my struggle. I had impulsive thoughts and I realise now impulsive evil thoughts, whoever they're about, are not all it takes for the unpardonable sin. But once while I was really low, hadn't slept right in weeks, I called the Holy Spirit evil names because I just wanted the worry to end. Then I realised I made it worse, and now I feel like Esau seeking repentance and faith and salvation, even to sickness and tears, but to God it might not matter. I might be dead to Him.


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There is only ONE unpardonable sin!!!!!!!! Don't let anyone tell you otherwise!!!!!!! You are saved and sealed forever!!!!!!! I'll see you in Heaven. I'll expect a big hug!!!!!!!

If, as a Christian, you slip into sinful words, thoughts, deeds, you go to God in prayer each time. Read John 14:6 again!!! "God, I have sinned. I've strayed away from fellowship with you. I repent. Forgive me. Thank You, Father, in Jesus' Name.

"Slipping into sin" has zero, zilch, nada to do with being eternally unforgiven!!! Get over it!!! Praise God for Salvation by Grace through Faith, the GIFT of God. He isn't going to ask for it back or take it away from you! Believe it, receive it, walk in eternal peace!!!

 

[DeerGlow]

There is only ONE unpardonable sin!!!!!!!! Don't let anyone tell you otherwise!!!!!!! You are saved and sealed forever!!!!!!! I'll see you in Heaven. I'll expect a big hug!!!!!!!

If, as a Christian, you slip into sinful words, thoughts, deeds, you go to God in prayer each time. Read John 14:6 again!!! "God, I have sinned. I've strayed away from fellowship with you. I repent. Forgive me. Thank You, Father, in Jesus' Name.

"Slipping into sin" has zero, zilch, nada to do with being eternally unforgiven!!! Get over it!!! Praise God for Salvation by Grace through Faith, the GIFT of God. He isn't going to ask for it back or take it away from you! Believe it, receive it, walk in eternal peace!!!

I didn't say there was more than one...? Anyway, I'm trying to work through it all. Thank you for the encouragement.


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[Michelle Schnelker]

Deer Glow, I am thankful for your honest post. I have wrestled with my Christian faith and in my personal life for decades... I have prayed the same thing to God: " Am I a Jacob in your eyes or an Esau?" "Am I a Rachel or just tolerated as a Leah?", " Am I a lesser child of God than other believers?" Have you had a history of depression or anxiety? Faced any rejection in childhood from peers, critical parents or negligent parenting. I've experienced all and it has reaped a bitter harvest of rejection, self doubt, perfectionism and anger at not being able to measure up like other polished, always smiling, Christ-like women in the church. I recently was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome and am going through perimenopause. I don't know what your age is but if your middle age and going through hormonal changes, it can severely affect your ability to fully believe, trust and rest in the Lord. And the evil thoughts and impulsive ungodly emotions can be off the scale to where you feel demon possessed! Sometimes I compulsively say, "G-D it!" at the slightest thing that is not going my way. The terrible conviction one can feel of not abiding in Christ and continually questioning one's salvation and focusing on one's fears of not meeting expectations of God, the Bible and other people- it's the PITS! We're angry at the Lord and not thankful enough for His Salvation, because we don't feel our faith!
I am searching for answers if there are any deliverance ministries online that are effective and operating in the power of God?
To get through it, I have an anchor verse: "Walk by faith and not by sight (nor feelings)". 2 Cor. 5:7
Start thanking the Lord by faith for His love and mercy and grace, even if you have to struggle and ask for forgiveness for sins.

That's part of my struggle. I had impulsive thoughts and I realise now impulsive evil thoughts, whoever they're about, are not all it takes for the unpardonable sin. But once while I was really low, hadn't slept right in weeks, I called the

I can hardly bring myself to do anything right now, all I can do is focus on my fears. I want to die but fear death more than I ever have. I just want peace with Christ. I fear that the LORD hates me. Like the passages with Esau, He might hate me and there's nothing I can do. (Like: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." And that Esau could not get his birthright even seeking it WITH TEARS)

I hear so many people bringing up the literal wording of the unpardonable sin passages and saying they hate people twisting blasphemy (which is modernly defined as defiant irreverence or slander) into persistent unbelief. That people do this to deny that some living people have done something to secure their condemnation while they're still alive. This, and Jesus's own words "By your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned." Make me fear. So I'll ask, and please refrain from calling me dramatic this is no small business, is there hope? Is it forgivable only in ignorance? Impulsive thoughts? As long as you don't mean it? Once you stop living that way? Can anyone be forgiven as long as they have physical breath?

Is the sin WILLING or WILLFUL? Speaking certain words or deliberate disbelief?

I fear I will never have peace again. I miss the days where I could lay in the sunshine and appreciate God's love and His amazing creations but now I can mainly just fear.

Holy Spirit evil names because I just wanted the worry to end. Then I realised I made it worse, and now I feel like Esau seeking repentance and faith and salvation, even to sickness and tears, but to God it might not matter. I might be dead to Him.


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[YouAreAwesome]

I didn't say there was more than one...? Anyway, I'm trying to work through it all. Thank you for the encouragement.


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Excellent! You Are Awesome!

 

[Dennis1209]

I had the same struggles also not long ago. Evil thoughts would pop into my head and I didn't (and still don't) know if it is the carnal nature of my mind or demonic influence? I questioned if I was still a Christian and had eternal Salvation or lost it, I was scared to death.

For decades I was what is referred to as a "backslider", didn't read my Bible, didn't go to church, did as my sinful heart desired. For decades I didn't have the joy and peace I had after I accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal saviour. decades ago. I was only a shell trying to make myself happy with material things, my own lusts and living in sin.

One day not long ago I realized the Lord was tugging at my heart to come back to Him and repent of my many, many sins. With a heavy heart and from the bottom of my heart, I sought Him in prayer to accept me back and asked for forgiveness. I prayed several times to take those thoughts I can not control out of my head where ever they were coming from. I asked Him to take control of my life and to set my path straight. To take away my decades long taste and addiction to beer and alcohol. I asked Him to comfort me and confirm in my heart that I am truly saved, I do not want to be separated from Him for eternity. I prayed to Him as my loving Father with tears of shame and lowly at heart.

Guess what? It wasn't long before I thought a beer would taste mighty fine right about now, so I had one. It didn't taste very good, as a matter of fact, it was repulsive. Then it flashed in my mind, "bingo", prayer answered! I took every can of booze in the house directly to the trash can. I haven't had a beer in quite some time now, don't have a taste for it and don't even think about it anymore. What a wonderful Lord we serve. I am so very grateful.

The stupid and evil thoughts I was having have dramatically subsided. Everyday I try to do my part and with His help, strive to walk the path the Lord wants me to walk. I read my Bible almost daily and found a great church I'm now attending, and get this, it's even walking distance from my house.

My doubts about being saved have diminished. In particular I was studying 'Romans" about my Salvation. There's much debate about "Once Saved Always Saved" (OSAS). But I read something somewhere not long ago that makes perfect sense, and I think it applies to our Salvation. Once you are born, can you be unborn?

In Christ,

Dennis

 

[Winken]

My doubts about being saved have diminished. In particular I was studying 'Romans" about my Salvation. There's much debate about "Once Saved Always Saved" (OSAS). But I read something somewhere not long ago that makes perfect sense, and I think it applies to our Salvation. Once you are born, can you be unborn?

In Christ,

Dennis

Sounds like you are firmly believing that you are saved. And no, once you have authentically received Jesus as Savior, you cannot become "unborn." I could fill up this response with scripture in support of that, but these two are for you: Romans 10:8-13, Romans 8:1.

Be blessed!

 

[Andrewofthetribe]

I can hardly bring myself to do anything right now, all I can do is focus on my fears. I want to die but fear death more than I ever have. I just want peace with Christ. I fear that the LORD hates me. Like the passages with Esau, He might hate me and there's nothing I can do. (Like: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." And that Esau could not get his birthright even seeking it WITH TEARS)

I hear so many people bringing up the literal wording of the unpardonable sin passages and saying they hate people twisting blasphemy (which is modernly defined as defiant irreverence or slander) into persistent unbelief. That people do this to deny that some living people have done something to secure their condemnation while they're still alive. This, and Jesus's own words "By your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned." Make me fear. So I'll ask, and please refrain from calling me dramatic this is no small business, is there hope? Is it forgivable only in ignorance? Impulsive thoughts? As long as you don't mean it? Once you stop living that way? Can anyone be forgiven as long as they have physical breath?

Is the sin WILLING or WILLFUL? Speaking certain words or deliberate disbelief?

I fear I will never have peace again. I miss the days where I could lay in the sunshine and appreciate God's love and His amazing creations but now I can mainly just fear.

Are you afraid you won't go to heaven?