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Fast & Furious

Should Attorney General Holder be held in contempt?

  • Yes, he should be held in contempt (explain)

  • No, he should not be held in contempt (explain)

  • I am not sure.


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Assuredcw

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Once you get the debriefing, no question you will know which documents you really ARE going to want to see, even assuming good faith on Issa's part. But that's a stretch, I have to tell you, because of this:

Political Animal - The Fast and Furious Dog Whistle

Quoting from the link:

Perhaps the most bizarre aspect of this affair is what [Rep. Darrell] Issa once suggested his investigation will uncover. In an interview with Sean Hannity, Issa claimed that the Obama administration “made a crisis” when they continued the Bush-era gunrunning operations because they wanted to “us[e] this crisis to somehow take away or limit people’s Second Amendment rights.” This accusation originates from a former militiaman who supports violent resistance to imagined government attempts to seize his guns. And it amounts to an accusation that a series of botched gun stings that begun during the Bush Administration were actually part of a secret Obama plot to release guns to Mexican drug lords, so that those guns could then be used to kill federal agents, which would then cause a national uprising in support of gun control.

Really?! That's insane. Seriously insane, and I think John Boehner needs give this whole thing a more moderate tone. It might be too late for that, though. Issa's an idiot. Seriously. And thanks to Boehner's "hands-off" approach to supposed "leadership," the lunatics are running the asylum.
 
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Yeah, I voted for contempt.

Someone else did, apparently as well. After you voted, I think, there was 18, and prior to your being able to vote there was 17.

Also, just gotta say... Your sig just gave me a good laugh. :D
 
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RETS said:
Someone else did, apparently as well. After you voted, I think, there was 18, and prior to your being able to vote there was 17.

Also, just gotta say... Your sig just gave me a good laugh. :D

I know right? Friend sent it to me on Facebook. I thought it was great XD
 
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The Attorney General spent 20 + years as a Federal judge, originally appointed by Reagan. Issa, on the other hand... Did anyone read the Wikipedia page on Issa? :eek:

Um, could we please NOT show him these confidential documents? Please? I REALLY don't want him to see them...

Does Issa even have the required clearances to see stuff like that? Who decides "which" people get clearances to see stuff like this? Maybe the documents can be shown to someone else? Oh, yeah, arrangements have already been made for the Inspectors General of both the Justice Dept and Homeland Security to see them.

You WOULD think that would be enough, especially since Issa isn't an attorney and would need to be "advised" even as to the significance of what he was "reviewing." Once again, this is insane.
 
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Yeah, I voted for contempt.


I have 12 ChristianForums.com friends, only one of whom has joined me in this thread to stick up for Holder. So I realize that I am in the minority here.

It doesn't matter, because in this case, I think Issa has lost his mind. We aren't going to agree on everything. :D
 
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Oh, we agree on Issa. I used to live in his district. He's not all that great to begin with. This is nothing more than a political game to him to help him and the GOP keep a hold on the House, gain seats in the Senate, and claim the Presidency.

However, that doesn't mean Holder should get off free. He is a criminal, like his predecessors in the Bush Admin.
 
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SmellsLikeCurley Fries:

Oh, we agree on Issa. I used to live in his district. He's not all that great to begin with. This is nothing more than a political game to him to help him and the GOP keep a hold on the House, gain seats in the Senate, and claim the Presidency.

However, that doesn't mean Holder should get off free. He is a criminal, like his predecessors in the Bush Admin.

LOL!!!! Then you already knew that Issa was not the "best" person to be in charge of something like this. IMO, this has implications for Boehner's abilities in selecting someone to spearhead a supposedly legitimate investigation on Holder. It's looking pretty dubious to me, when you're looking at someone who used to be a Federal judge and has never been arrested even once, who is being accused of committing any number of crimes by a former felon (and John Boehner stands by and lets that happen). If there are legitimate concerns, pursue them...legitimately.

I am going to reserve judgement on whether Holder is absolutely innocent, until that Inspector General report comes in. But I am going to stick my neck out and say I will believe Holder before I am going to believe ONE WORD that comes out of Issa's mouth. Political affiliation isn't why. It really isn't.
 
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There's an update in this case. ABC has uncovered a discrepancy in the way Issa requires the release of documents. Quoting from this link:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS...ric-holder-gop-fast-furious/story?id=16561643

Darrell Issa, a Republican congressman who has headed efforts to investigate the Obama administration, has accused Holder of covering up information about Fast & Furious and has threatened to slap a contempt of Congress ruling against the AG because the Justice Department hasn't released documents about the operation that were congressionally subpoenaed.
Issa, however, hasn't always favored the release of documents. In 2007, when Gonzales was under scrutiny over the firing of U.S. attorneys, Issa told a local news outlet that the administration shouldn't have released documents related to the case. Issa argued that the attorneys were "at will" employees whose firing didn't need explaining to the public.
Asked to explain the discrepancy, Issa's press secretary, Becca Watkins, said that the Bush administration used executive privilege in Gonzales's case, while Obama hasn't done so. She didn't respond to further requests for an explanation.

Note that the Bush Administration can withhold anything it wants to, with no explanation, whereas the Obama Administration is BLAMED even when his AG gives a reasonable explanation for withholding documents, but counteroffers a private debriefing. OK... :scratch:
 
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Assuredcw said:
There's an update in this case. ABC has uncovered a discrepancy in the way Issa requires the release of documents. Quoting from this link:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/demonizing-attorney-general-eric-holder-gop-fast-furious/story?id=16561643

Darrell Issa, a Republican congressman who has headed efforts to investigate the Obama administration, has accused Holder of covering up information about Fast & Furious and has threatened to slap a contempt of Congress ruling against the AG because the Justice Department hasn't released documents about the operation that were congressionally subpoenaed.
Issa, however, hasn't always favored the release of documents. In 2007, when Gonzales was under scrutiny over the firing of U.S. attorneys, Issa told a local news outlet that the administration shouldn't have released documents related to the case. Issa argued that the attorneys were "at will" employees whose firing didn't need explaining to the public.
Asked to explain the discrepancy, Issa's press secretary, Becca Watkins, said that the Bush administration used executive privilege in Gonzales's case, while Obama hasn't done so. She didn't respond to further requests for an explanation.

Note that the Bush Administration can withhold anything it wants to, with no explanation, whereas the Obama Administration is BLAMED even when his AG gives a reasonable explanation for withholding documents, but counteroffers a private debriefing. OK... :scratch:

Did you miss the part where Bush invoked executive privilege and Obama hasn't? Did you also miss the part that there is no crime in firing attorneys?
 
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Did you miss the part where Bush invoked executive privilege and Obama hasn't? Did you also miss the part that there is no crime in firing attorneys?

THANK YOU!

Geeze Louise...


"See? See?! It's still Bush's fault!" :doh:
 
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THANK YOU!

Geeze Louise...


"See? See?! It's still Bush's fault!" :doh:
There's an issue withing the Fast And Furious scandal that the media is keeping quiet on. It was reported that 2 guns were found at the scene of Brian Terry's death. In fact, there were 3 guns, the third allegedly tracing back to an informant which means that one of Terry's killers may very well be on the federal government's payroll but is also now being protected by the federal government.
 
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There's an issue withing the Fast And Furious scandal that the media is keeping quiet on. It was reported that 2 guns were found at the scene of Brian Terry's death. In fact, there were 3 guns, the third allegedly tracing back to an informant which means that one of Terry's killers may very well be on the federal government's payroll but is also now being protected by the federal government.

I've been watching and waiting to see if that fact would come out in the MSM, but nothing so far. In fact, the Arizona paper that I read the story which reported three guns has since removed the story from their site- It's not even available in the archives.
 
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I've been watching and waiting to see if that fact would come out in the MSM, but nothing so far. In fact, the Arizona paper that I read the story which reported three guns has since removed the story from their site- It's not even available in the archives.
Noting the deafening silence from our liberal friends who were in a frenzy over the alleged Valerie Plame leak and coverup
 
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I watched Sean Hannity yesterday, and even his in-house Federal government guru said that she thought Holder has a strong case for keeping his documents confidential. He is the Attorney General, and there is an open investigation on Fast & Furious, as well there should be. He has a right to say that his information is proprietary - at least he is willing to debrief them. I would think the debriefing would be easier for Issa to follow, since he is not an attorney. :D
 
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