Family/Friends who know the Gospel but don't believe it?

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I forgive them, but they're still not preaching a sound gospel and I wouldn't tell people to listen to their preaching, it's a difference.
 
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Really.
when she says
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"I don't need Jesus"
".... to be a good person". You are taking her out of context.

You can not blame people for not believing this in a practical sense just based off the hundreds of Christians who were horrible people in comparison to other people of different beliefs.
 
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".... to be a good person". You are taking her out of context.

You can not blame people for not believing this in a practical sense just based off the hundreds of Christians who were horrible people in comparison to other people of different beliefs.

.. and in her beliefs, being "a good person" is what gets you to heaven... not according to the bible.
 
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Well with your sister being 36 and your 40, are yall still living near each other.

Does or did your sister ever have a looking up to her older brother or was she fairly independent.

This may help a little article from grace evangelical society
How to Share Our Faith Clearly and Comfortably by Evangelizing the Way Jesus Evangelized – Grace Evangelical Society
 
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Oh, no, she's all the way across the country
still it's my sister, and I want her and her family to be saved.
 
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Oh, no, she's all the way across the country
still it's my sister, and I want her and her family to be saved.

So yall are communicating by phone, computer.

Sounds like she is married, if so what about her husband, is he another unbeliever.
 
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So yall are communicating by phone, computer.

Sounds like she is married, if so what about her husband, is he another unbeliever.
I'm not 100% sure. I know he grew up in a Christian Household and his mother is a believer. He doesn't announce it but he definitely follows the morality. Just never really seen him be overtly for Jesus like his mother.
I think when they first moved into their neighborhood they were looking for a church, so, it's possible that he's a believer but because she's not and she kind of keeps her beliefs close they just don't bring it up. They have differing politics as well.
Mostly talk over computer (zoom calls and such these days), sometimes phone.
 
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Well as i am sure many have said prayer for her, that God may give her a mind to see the truth of the Bible.

Grace Evangelical Society has great resources for believers. There may be something there or there may be a free grace church near her that you might could direct her to, where she will find solid Biblical teachings.
As many churches today confuse and complicate the message of God free gift of Eternal Life for all who believe in Jesus.
 
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Actually a good thing, I hadn't really thought about my brother in law in all this, his beliefs might be important in all this, he just hasn't been vocal about it. I keep him in my prayers, but I had only really been considering her being saved and then him but it might work more in reverse, he could already be saved and would be probably more effective than anyone else (as a human at least) in reaching her.
 
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It's the conundrum of the whole world that is in the control of the evil one. The amazing thing is not that people reject God's salvation, which seems insane to those who believe, but that anyone at all accepts the Lord Jesus as Saviour and Lord. Before I was born again, Christianity was to me, the Church of England. Eternity to me was sitting through a church service. There was nothing more boring.

Preaching the true gospel is the only answer. It cut through to my heart, convicted me of my sin and brought me to salvation in and through Christ. The best that we can do is live in such a way that our family sees the difference. I tried hard to get through to my kids and all I did was alienate them. Salvation is God's business, not mine.

The response to the gospel depends on the individual's heart. Those who are honest sinners will accept God's gift. Those who are self righteous need to see the truth about themselves. I know a woman with 6 children by 3 different men. She does drugs and drinks to excess. One of her children has cerebral palsy. She blames God. She believes that she is a good person. How do you get through to someone like that?
 
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.. and in her beliefs, being "a good person" is what gets you to heaven... not according to the bible.
it actually is.

Revelation states God will judge all based on their works (Rev 20:12).

If being a good person doesn't have any significance then morality is pointless. If God only cares about you acknowledging him, then he is a dictator and not a good/loving/holy God.
 
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I seem to remember reading something that went a little like "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
What you're saying would mean Jesus died in vain.
That is blaspheming the atonement of Jesus Christ.
 
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For preaching the gospel and not being received. I just leave you these verses without further insights of my own, might be useful or then not. Dont actually want to get very involved with this topic and how it is. So think those if they help, good.

44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:44

65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. John 6:65

14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Matthew 10:14
 
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You say they know the gospel, do they know what happens if they dont accept the gospel?
They know, they just don't believe. To their credit, they won't "believe" something to act as an insurance policy the way some people do, where they don't really believe but do the lip service and go to church thinking it insures them just in case it's all true.
For Mom, there's a heaven, but the way in is just being a good person, no Jesus necessary, even though she believes Jesus existed and was a good teacher of morality. Similar to how some Buddhists view Jesus, believing He was an enlightened person.
For my sister, she doesn't even know if there's anything after this life. She believes that jesus was historically a person, but doesn't even know if she believes there is a God, of any kind.
 
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I seem to remember reading something that went a little like "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
What you're saying would mean Jesus died in vain.
That is blaspheming the atonement of Jesus Christ.

No, i'm not saying that. You can't cherry pick verses that talk about believing and leave out the rest about doing good. You have to take all of what the Bible says and not just specific verses that support your ideology.

Being a christian means more than just believing. Most importantly, God is not a dictator. A dictator only permits or grants someone to live if that person acknowledges him, so how is this different from what you are claiming God to be. The reality is, whether you realize it or not, your biggest selling point to Christianity is just so God doesn't kill you (Hell).
 
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You obviously don't believe the Bible or you have not read it. If "good" people go to heaven then Jesus died for nothing. It is clear from God's word that sin is the nature of man. Everyone is born in sin, dead to God and with no hope of saving themselves. God is God. People need to get over that truth. He is not going to change to suit human wishful thinking. He is holy and righteous. No sinner can enter His presence. Only those who are alive in Christ make it into heaven.

There are two judgements. One is for sinners who will be judged according to their works. They will not qualify for heaven. The Bible makes it clear that no one is righteous in God's sight. The believer has a different judgement. It's more like a prize giving ceremony. Those who deny themselves in this life will receive greater rewards in God's kingdom than those who lived for themselves. No born again believer will be found in the lake of fire. Many, many "good" people will be.
 
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Nope, you did not read or just did not understand what you where reading. Before Christ, even a believer could not get into heaven. Jesus' death was so it was possible to go to heaven, period.

Think about this: Salem Witch Trials, they burned people alive but they believed in God.. so they go to heaven, with all of what they did being disregarded, while others who lived quite lives are going to hell? That is a holy and righteous God to you

Your post is practically saying that he doesn't care about good or evil, he just cares about getting attention.


What is the use of judging them when there is already a set result? Aside from this making no sense, your arguments are biblically wrong because Revelations has works as the qualifier to the book of life. So where are you getting this two judgements from?

"Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to their works as recorded in the books." Revelation 20:12
 
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Have a look at these links. What is the Judgment Seat of Christ / Bema Seat of Christ? | GotQuestions.org
What is the Great White Throne Judgment? | GotQuestions.org

I didn't get my knowledge from those links, but I am in agreement with their interpretations. Just cherry picking a verse is not helpful if you want the complete picture.
 
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