False Teachings From Kenneth Hagin.

[Father Rick]

Umm...have you actually viewed the video clips? The 120 were speaking one language which everyone heard in his own tongue, there were not several languages simultaneously (which would have caused confusion). What Hagin et al. are doing bears no similarity to that. They are not speaking in any understandable language whatsoever. Instead they are cackling demonically, rolling around on the floor, slithering off their chairs, "mooing" like a cows or "cooing" like mourning doves (I'm not sure which). Where is the edification in that?

The observers who accused the 120 of drunkenness probably did so because they had no logical explanation for the miracle of the jews hearing the same words in their own individual languages. Some unbelievers, when faced with a supernatural miracle of such magnitude, will say anything to avoid conceding the divine. So, they scoffed and mocked.

While a few scholars do believe that the 120 were speaking in their native tongue, yet the hearers were actually hearing them in foreign languages, those who hold to that view are clearly a small minority. The linguistics of the passage make it appear that the 120 were actually speaking multiple languages they did not understand. Either way, however, I've never known of the ability to speak/understand a foreign language to be a symptom that would appear as drunkenness. Quite the contrary, I have been in many multicultural situations where multiple languages were being spoken by those present-- with no confusion.

When I am in a multicultural crowd (as was the case on the Day of Pentecost or Shavuot, which was a pilgrimage feast in which Jews from around the world travelled to Jerusalem) and I hear someone speak a language I know, I just think they speak the language I know. Now, if they are acting drunk and speaking the language I know-- well, I think they are drunk and speaking the language I know. If you have ever been in an international market where people are around you speaking multiple languages you can understand what it would have been like on that street--

How do people act when they are drunk? I've never heard of it INCREASING one's intelligence/abilities and they can suddenly speak multiple languages. That argument doesn't even follow good logic.

It is quite a leap to assume that on the Day of Pentecost, the men who spoke in the heavenly language were laughing, mooing, cooing, slithering around on the floor, and cackling like madmen. If they had, no one would have understood them. Everywhere else in Acts, when the holy ghost indwelled, the recipient was baptized and spoke in tongues (not necessarily in that order). There is no mention ever of any phenomenon like what we see in so-called third-wave "laughing" revivals.

Well, I've been around people who were drunk, who laughed and 'cackled'. Even when sober, I have on occasion laughed so hard that I was almost out of breath and only made "OOOHHHH" noises (such as are heard on those tapes) that could be interpretted as a 'mooing' or a 'cooing' noise.

It should also be noted that in his writings to the Corinthians, Paul specifically addressed the fact that the way in which genuine spiritual gifts and manifestations were taking place caused observers to think they were crazy. Paul was therefore placing some restrictions on how/when those manifestations were to be exercised. Notice that Paul did NOT say the manifestations were demonic-- only that they should be controlled depending on the situation. While I fully agree that in some of these meetings there are things that go into excess-- to go so far as to call the occurrences demonic, is IMO bordering on blasphemy.

While I could be convinced that the holy spirit, when it manifests, might drive out or disturb such spirits, causing them to manifest by laughing/barking, etc. while others are weeping and repenting (in spirit and in truth), there is no precedent for the holy spirit to appear in the form of mooing, barking, laughing maniacallly, rolling around on the floor, etc.

Just one scripture to note here-- "when the Lord brought back the captive of Zion, we were like those who dream. Then our mouths were filled with laughter and our tongues with singing..." In that passage, a sign of their freedom was that they laughed. In Nehemiah, when the temple was restored, it states that the people went their way to eat, and to drink, and to send portions, and to make great mirth, because they had understood the words that were declared unto them. Mirth literally means "gladness or gaiety as shown by or accompanied with laughter". So we see on at least a couple of occasions we see laughter as a 'sign' of God's deliverance/blessing on His people.

Interestingly, I have ministered in deliverance for a number of years. I have never seen a demonic manifestation like what is being seen on those tapes. I have been in a number of these services personally-- and while I have seen demonic manifestations during those services, as someone was being delivered from demonization-- that was night and day difference between this.

There are documented cases throughout church history of similar manifestations of the Spirit. When John Wesley would preach, those sitting in the tree branches listening to his sermons would be overtaken with violent shaking-- sometimes so hard they would fall out of the trees-- where they would roll/slither around on the ground uncontrollably. Sometimes these people would laugh uncontrollably. During the early days of the modern Pentecostal movement (Azusa Street, etc.) there are numbers of documented occasions when identical spiritual manifestations occurred. I recommend reading "Like as of Fire", which is a reprint of 3 years of the Azusa Street mission newspaper published during that revival that simple records the various things that occurred. If you think this is strange, this doesn't hold a candle to some of the things that occurred then.

There are also documentation of similar occurrences within the lives of the early church fathers. For the sake of time, I won't list them all here.

In Jacobellis v. Ohio (1964), Justice Potter Stewart conceded in his opinion that he (despite his intellectualism and learnedness) was unable to define pornography. He said, "I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it." Obscenity has been similarly described. What is happening in the Hagin (and other) videos clips is obscene, and if you can't see that or discern it, we can agree to disagree and let God judge between us. I have nothing further to say.

Nice quote.... does absolutely nothing for this whole discussion (unless you are saying you alone have the spiritual discernement to know what is/is not from God)... but still a nice quote.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I think too much religious teaching (with a distorted emphasis on the Calvinistic view of God's sovereignty).

Why would there even be a need for a gospel, the word, faith, etc etc etc if everything was so hyper "theo-centric".
I am convinced that this is indeed just little weapon that folks have found to use in their effort to control and condemn everyone else.
I'm stickin with Jesus and the gospel.
"Mere theism"... you can keep it.

 

[victoryword]

My pastor graduated from Rhema Bible College and studied under Pastor Hagin in the early 80's. He has quite a few stories, but I'm reminded of the one he always uses when people get indignant about holy spirit manifestations.

Kenneth Hagin told them that wild fire is better than no fire, and besides, there are enough of you wet blankets that will put it out anyway.

I would tend to agree. I've been in some pretty wild meetings in my 26 years of Charismatic WOF services. There have been times when I just started lauging uncotrollably and I couldn't stop. One time, I laughed for 3 hours straight. Religion will tell you that's not edifying and it's a waste of time. The bible tells me that the joy of the Lord is my strength. When that did happen to me, I felt such a supernatural peace, and the next day, immediately things began to happen in my life.

Sure, some are in the flesh when these things happen and some things may be completely off the wall to our natural eyes, but I will leave you with a thought from one person that came to our church about 7 years ago and witnessed one of these services. People were laughing very LOUDLY, people couldn't stand up, they were falling down. You know what this person who wasn't even a christian told us at the end of the service? They said, "This was the most peaceful service I've ever attended." In the natural, that service was anything but peaceful, but it was just what this person needed. Oh, and the religious people that invited them were worried and embarassed and left the church shortly after. But the other guy got saved and started coming to church. Makes you go, Hmmmm.....

Amen. Excellent post

 

[victoryword]

Wow! Father Rick is kicking Backside in this thread. I'm glad he's on our side

Why would there even be a need for a gospel, the word, faith, etc etc etc if everything was so hyper "theo-centric".
I am convinced that this is indeed just little weapon that folks have found to use in their effort to control and condemn everyone else.
I'm stickin with Jesus and the gospel.
"Mere theism"... you can keep it.

Me no want "mere theism." Me give to mighty heresy hunter who hunt great white buffaloe of heresy

I agree with you about the fact that some use it as a weapon to condemn others. But I also believe that our enemy is very much behind this tactic. If he can get Christians to forfeit the exercise of their authority by placing the burden on the "sovereignty of God" then people will not so readily stand against him.

On the other hand, if people can really see that God has placed all that they need at their disposal and that He is cannot do what He has commisioned them to do, perhaps many more will get off their blessed assurance and start doing the greater works that Christ promised us.

The church is in a mess because it keeps waiting on God to do something He told us to do.

 

[Trish1947]

I never understood this soverienty issue..Why would God keep His sovereinty as an unknown? He is so soveriegn, He used His very own soverienty, to share some of His power with us, to defeat the devil. Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. Then He told us to go out and do the same thing. Why can't we see that God's sovierenty is always above our own. So if He shares some of His power, by His own soveriegn will, for us to defeat the devil, why do some deny His soverienty? People are using His soverienty to deny His soverienty.

 

[swifteagle]

When we first heard about the moving of the Holy Spirit in Toronto in the early '90's we were very curious. We heard that a man named Randy Clark was going to be at a church in San Francisco and that some of the manifestations and an overwhelming presence of the Lord were at his meetings so we went. We drove 3 hours to get there (and 3 hours home afterwards). It was unbelievable! There was a young couple being ministered to and they were on the floor and shaking like I've never seen anyone shake. I don't think it is possible for someone to shake like that for so long under their own power. When we left the meeting, I was asking the Lord if this was really Him. It was so unlike anything I knew or had seen but my heart was open to receive and believe if it was really God.

A month later we heard that Wes Campbell would be at the same church. So, wanting to get further clarity from God, we went. Another blow out meeting. This time there were myriads of children that were ministered to. A friend's young son...about 8 was prayed for and he went down in the Spirit (this had never happened to him before and he was a very conservative type of kid). As we watched him on the floor, his mouth was moving and Wes said to him, "what is happening with your mouth"? My friend's son said, "Jesus is cleansing it"! Wow! This was not a usual thing for a kid to say and not something he would have heard from his parents.

I knew after this that it really was the Lord. Now, I have been in meetings where people were totally manifesting in the flesh. Guess what? We just ignore it (let the leaders deal with it).

What did renewal do for me? It brought me to a much, much closer relationship to the Lord. It use to take alot of effort to enter into the secret place with Him. Now, I can just close my eyes and be there ~ sense His presence and commune with Him. My prayer life has exploded and faith has increased.

I have been in meetings where I laid on the floor for hours, slithered onto the floor hysterically laughing (which I prefer not to do), rested quietly in the Spirit. I have not always understood why or what these events were doing in me at the time. But I give God permission to do with me what He wants even if I don't understand it or it makes me look foolish. What I do know is that the Holy Spirit did do a deep work in me (beyond my comprehension) during these times.

Focus on the good things that the Lord is doing and not on the carnal flesh.

Blessings,

swifteagle ><>

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I think many people have two personalities... an everyday people one, and a religious one.
The "everyday people" one does things like eat, sleep, have bodily functions.... etc..
The "religious" one is holy, walks around in a robe, has a halo, and would never ever think about speaking above a whisper.
I think God wants us to be single minded. We need to merge the "real" person with the "religious" person.
If you cannot shout, run, and show your love and excitement for God in real everyday ways... I question your genuineness.
Where does being "religious" end and "phony" start?

 

[Hisgirl]

My old pastor attended Rhema Bible School. One of the reason we left the church was because week after week we were quoted the words of Hagin and Copeland....instead of the words of the Bible. Back home, I became berean and got frustrated when I couldn't get a solid scriptural backing on teachings such as the 'Devil Ransom Theory' otherwise known as 'The Fishhook Theory'.

The teaching says that because of early sin...man belonged to satan. The only way God could save man was to offer a ransom TO SATAN. However when I dug into the Word...what I found instead were verses showing Christ had given Himself as an offering for us, and as a sacrifice to God not Satan.

1 Tim. 2:5-6 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,

Eph. 5:2. And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.

1 Cor. 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us

Hebrews 10:12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God

Origen in A.D. 230 and Gregory of Nyssa A.D. 370 also taught this theory and were met by strong opposition from the church. It was never an accepted theory.

If a man is going to put together a theory and start defending it as doctrine, at least be able to back it with scripture.

I don't have an opinion about Kenneth Hagin, but my pastor taught this theory as gospel truth ...as taught to him at Rhema.

I just never could accept it as truth.

 

[jiminpa]

Religion may not back him but Scripture does.

Where does scripture say that when He gave us authority He became powerless against demons? Of course He can rebuke demons. He can command them at any time for any reason and they will be compelled to obey. When I was in the Navy my authority ultimately came from the president, neither he nor anyone else in my chain of command was in any way limited by confering authority on me. Jesus is far superior to any naval officer.

 

[God_follower]

He did all He was gonna do. Of course if we pray for deliverance then it becomes us asking and Him responding, but He has given us authority for a reason

 

[TreeOfLife]

Faint praise with an underlying criticising statement is a sign of the carnal nature in a person assuming dominance over the New Creation Spiritual Man who is always positive and non-critical in his approach to the opinions of others he might disagree with.

Where is your scripture? Why did you fall in so easily?

Are you Dr. Phil, or are you a man of God?

Be very careful how you respond. I am sure there is still some point within you that understands that God is God and man is man.

 

[probinson]

Where is your scripture?

Uh, yeah. Here I've taken the liberty of compiling all of your posts in this thread:

Simple and oh so very direct. Any human that claims the sovreignity of God is just a religious word, does not know God in any fashion. He must be an arrogant misfit that we can only pray God has in His Mercy and Sovriegnity saved.
How's that?
I am as totally steadfast and without repentence in any form against that man glorifying false doctrine as I can possibly be.
That is my right isn't it? You attack the sovreignity of God with your words, I should be able to attack you with mine. Seems only fair to me.
You continue to try to bring God down to your level and I will resist you with everything I have. Truth is not a matter of "choice". Truth is no matter what.

Convenient. Weak and fleshy, but convenient.

No. You are not getting away with it this time. You gave nothing but some fleshly pat answer to my post and I challenged you on it. You and your arrogant man centered doctrine was put to challenge and you evaded it the challenge with your own man centered pat answers.
You should be ashamed that you cannot adequetely defend your man centered position, but no, you haven't had to in some time have you?
You demean God and you gorge yourself on it.
I challenged you direct on your weak self-centered doctrine and you engaged in the poorest of all responses. Your stupid and fleshly list.
I defy you to your face.
Now, for those of you who do not understand that I have just put the Doctrine of the Jesus the Messiah in the face of the doctrine of the "Wof I am god", be assured, that is exactly what I have done.
If confronting Truth seems non-polictically correct, you should exit this thread now.
I stand.

I expected no more from you. Your response is in perfect agreement with my post. Thank you for the confirmation

Where is your scripture? Why did you fall in so easily?
Are you Dr. Phil, or are you a man of God?
Be very careful how you respond. I am sure there is still some point within you that understands that God is God and man is man.

So my friend, I ask you the same question: Where is your scripture?

Many scriptures have been presented in this thread to support the teachings of Kenneth Hagin. You may, however, notice that you NEVER in ANY of your posts in this thread reference any scripture, ever, PERIOD. You simply claim that people are arrogant and don't know God. But where's the scripture? I don't see it. Am I missing something?

 

[Svt4Him]

There is no need for Scripture when one is so apt at attacking character. Obviously they are used by G-d, so to ask for Scripture is to question G-d Himself. How dare you, you have just proven you are not worthy of a good response...so let me run out and find my smiley who's spitting on someone...





Ok, I once saw a site that showed how a quote from Kenneth Kopeland was taken out of context, totally changed, and used to show how bad KK was. Then it looked at how everyone jumped all over this quote to prove KK was wrong, but it also posted the quote in context, and it meant nothing like what the HHunters were saying. Any idea where that came from?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Where is your scripture? Why did you fall in so easily?

Are you Dr. Phil, or are you a man of God?

Be very careful how you respond. I am sure there is still some point within you that understands that God is God and man is man.

You guessed it! I am a cardboard replica of Dr Phil.

 

[SuperDuperMan]

Simple and oh so very direct. Any human that claims the sovreignity of God is just a religious word, does not know God in any fashion. He must be an arrogant misfit that we can only pray God has in His Mercy and Sovriegnity saved.

How's that?

I am as totally steadfast and without repentence in any form against that man glorifying false doctrine as I can possibly be.

That is my right isn't it? You attack the sovreignity of God with your words, I should be able to attack you with mine. Seems only fair to me.

You continue to try to bring God down to your level and I will resist you with everything I have. Truth is not a matter of "choice". Truth is no matter what.

Because you reserve the right to attack anyone who you feel attacks the sovereignty of God, I feel that I have the right to aggresively agree with you in all the things you are saying. This is one of the most important principles of the First Apostolic Church of Oneness and Agreeability.

I fully understand that you feel that anyone who says that the Sovereignty of God is just a religious word is an arrant, ignorant knave who should be put up and horsewhipped to an inch of his life. I can feel the hot breath of your anger from here. The ice all around the hut that I am in at Antarctica is melting at this very moment.

So you are prepared to fight against every false doctrine, like Valiant For Truth in John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress. You are like the surgeon who is so determined to get rid of the cancerous tissue that you are prepared to take out much healthy tissue as well, and probably kill the patient in the process.

So you disagree with 'bringing God down to our level', when one of the Attributes of Love spoken by Charles Finney is Condescention - where God comes down to our level to fellowship with us. You worship a God who is very high in His glory and is inaccessible to us. Our church teaches the principle of Condescentionality Of God, in that He sent Jesus to us as a man to show us His nature and to fellowship with us.

I can see that you are saying that 'truth is, no matter what.' Is this objective truth? (the absolute truth that is carved in bronze and unchanageable and applicable in every situation), or subjective truth? (the truth that pertains to your level of knowledge).

So, I agree that you will stand for the truth as you see it, and will viciously attack anyone who does not subscribe to your appreciation of what is true to you.


Now I have to inform you that my church, The FAC of O and A, is the only really true church. It is more authentic than the RCC, who claim that they are the true church. I base this assertion on the fact that we hold the most ancient of the New Testament manuscripts which gives much more credance and authority to our teachings.

These manuscripts were found in the ice cave on the side of Mount Erebus in the Antarctic, where there was a settlement of first century Romans. It is now discovered that Smartus Tacticus brought with him the Apostle Rufus who was one of the 3000 people converted on the Day of Pentecost. Rufus attended most of Paul's meetings throughout the then known world, and although it is not recorded that he actually met the Apostle Paul, he made notes at every meeting which he recorded on parchment. These he brought to Mount Erebus after fleeing the Nero persecution at Rome. They are preserved in a very good state because of the below zero temperatures in that region. These are known as the Mount Erebus Scrolls, and can be viewed at the McMurdo Museum of Important Antiquities.

So, you need to be wise and circumspect when responding to my posts, because we have these authentic documents that pre-date any manuscripts that were used to compile the King James Version of the Bible. This is why our King George Revised Version of the Bible is the most accurate in the world. So, in a sense, you will have to agree that our truth is more true than yours.

But we don't fight for it like you do. We agree for it. It is much more positive.

 

[SuperDuperMan]

No. You are not getting away with it this time. You gave nothing but some fleshly pat answer to my post and I challenged you on it. You and your arrogant man centered doctrine was put to challenge and you evaded it the challenge with your own man centered pat answers.

You should be ashamed that you cannot adequetely defend your man centered position, but no, you haven't had to in some time have you?

You demean God and you gorge yourself on it.

I challenged you direct on your weak self-centered doctrine and you engaged in the poorest of all responses. Your stupid and fleshly list.

I defy you to your face.

Now, for those of you who do not understand that I have just put the Doctrine of the Jesus the Messiah in the face of the doctrine of the "Wof I am god", be assured, that is exactly what I have done.

If confronting Truth seems non-polictically correct, you should exit this thread now.

I stand.

It is very interesting that when the writings of the Apostle Rufus were first discovered, a person in our church who believed that the KJV was the 'breathed on' version said exactly the same things to the translation team of the King George Bible. He went around the church and tried to convince members that the church was not founded on truth, that it was based on complete fantasy, and that our whole history was completely the product of one person's imagination.

He was able to draw away some silly, immature members who had not fully understood the principles of Agreeability, but most of the sensible members ignored his rantings.

He was last seen sailing away from Antarctica with his converts to form a new Church on Tierra Del Fuego at the southernmost point of South America.

 

[SuperDuperMan]

I expected no more from you. Your response is in perfect agreement with my post. Thank you for the confirmation.

Well, it is not surprising that Dids would make an Agreeable response to your post. Although he is not a card carrying member of our church, he is a strong proponent of Oneness (unity not modalism) and Agreeability.

The Supreme Council has examined your posts and would recommend to you that you attend a training course in Oneness and Agreeability to get rid of those Disagreeable attitudes that seem to afflict you at this time. Then your posts may start to contain what we call Ministryabilitation, where others are encouraged and helped by your insights and knowledge of Holy Scripture.

Of course, you would be better off using the King George Revised Version, because you would be teaching objective truth, but, oh well, we can't have everything.....

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Uh, yeah. Here I've taken the liberty of compiling all of your posts in this thread:

So my friend, I ask you the same question: Where is your scripture?

Many scriptures have been presented in this thread to support the teachings of Kenneth Hagin. You may, however, notice that you NEVER in ANY of your posts in this thread reference any scripture, ever, PERIOD. You simply claim that people are arrogant and don't know God. But where's the scripture? I don't see it. Am I missing something?

No.... you pretty much hit it on the head.
I'll bet he can quote a web site!!!

 

[victoryword]

Where does scripture say that when He gave us authority He became powerless against demons?

STRAWMAN ALERT!!!!

You have yet to show me where Hagin or any faith teacher has ever taught that God became powerless against demons. Therefore your false accusation is simply a strawman that you desire to tear down so that you can pretend (for whatever reason that only you and God know) that you were able to refute Hagin Scripturally. Only problem is that while you keep asking me for Scripture to refute your strawman, you have yet to offer any Scripture on this subject. So far you have only provided misinformation.

I have explained to you what they have actually taught, what was meant, and the Scriptures to support it. You have yet to offer a Scriptural rebuttal of any of my responses to you. Instead you continue to throw strawmen at me and expect me to defend your personal fairy tale about the faith teachers. Get real jiminpa. I do not know why you anti-wofers insult us by thinking we're so stupid to keep falling for this.

Of course He can rebuke demons. He can command them at any time for any reason and they will be compelled to obey.

Okay then, back up your statement with Scripture. Show me one time after the ascension of Christ did God or Jesus ever rebuke a demon. Please provide chapter and verse. Otherwise, you are promoting nothing but your own theological view and your own concept of God while claiming that what others believe is crazy. Nevertheless, without you being able to back up your own personal concept of God with Scripture, you are on much shakier ground than the faith teachers that you criticize.

When I was in the Navy my authority ultimately came from the president, neither he nor anyone else in my chain of command was in any way limited by confering authority on me. Jesus is far superior to any naval officer.

I don't care about your personal illustrations. You asked me for Scripture (which I provided numerous examples in my last post to you). Now I am asking you to back up your concept. Otherwise, the debate is done because I am not going to waste anymore time arguing over strawmen, personal but scriptureless religious concepts, and personal illustrations. Later.

 

[Theophilus7]

Kenneth Hagin stated that he received his teachings form Jesus Christ. Hence he must have received them from 'revelation knowledge.'


1.) "Every man who has been born again is an incarnation and Christianity is a miracle. The believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth" (Kenneth Hagin, "The Incarnation," The Word of Faith 13, December, 1980).

False. Jesus Christ is the only Incarnation of God. The Only begotten Son of God.


2.) "You are as much the Incarnation of God as Jesus Christ of Nazareth...the believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth." (Kenneth Hagin, "The Word of Faith" Dec. 1980, p.14)

This is Blasphemy. The believer is not as much the incarnation of God as was Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Jesus Christ is the only Incarnation of God.


3.) "His spirit and inner man went to hell in my place. Can't you see that? Physical death wouldn't remove your sins. He's tasted death for every man. He's talking about tasting spiritual death. Jesus is the first person that was ever born again. Why did His spirit need to be born again? Because it was estranged from God." ( Kenneth Hagin, "How Jesus obtained His name" (Kenneth Hagin Ministries, audio tape #44-H01)

The Word of God says explicitely and undeniably that Christ's death on the cross paid for our sins. Nothing more was needed beyond that.

Jesus Christ was never born again in hell. Hagin taught this, as did Copeland, Keith Butler and Creflo Dollar.

http://www.myfortress.org/DidJesusPayForOurSinsInHell.html


4.) "man...was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God's presence without any consciousness of inferiority...He made us the same class of being that He is Himself. He lived on terms equal with God...The believer is called Christ, that's who we are; we're Christ"[/b] (Kenneth Hagin, Zoe: The God Kind of Life, pp.35-36, 41).

We are not the same class of being that He Himself is. We were created in His image. Nothing more. That teaching is false, blasphemous and Gnostic in origin.

Man has never lived on terms of equality with God. What was he thinking when he wrote this?

The believer is not Christ. We are not Christ! This teaching is false and blasphemous as well.

It is time for Charasmatics/WOF-ers to realize the error of these revelation knowledge teachings of Kenneth Hagin. There are many more errors of his beyond these as well.

Here are some additional things to consider

"Spiritual death means something more than seperation from God. Spiritual death also means having Satan's nature...Jesus tasted death--spiritual death--for every man."

http://www.myfortress.org/KenHagin.html

additionally: "Spiritual death means having Satan's nature." (Hagin, The Name of Jesus, p.31)

Blasphemous teaching. Jesus never tasted Satan's nature. Jesus never had Satan's nature.

Boring. Very boring. I'm afraid you have taken some passages out of context, failed to read the rhetoric correctly, and made no attempt to balance some of Hagins more outlandish statements within the broader setting of his theology. The result is a caricature; you are seeing the man in the worst possible light. And that isn't fair.

Why is it that you heresy hunter creations never read beyond the cut and paste jobs that certain paranoid people put out on the internet, or the popular, polemical (and profitable) writings of various pop-apologists who have pulled you into their personality orbits? Could it be that you are the ones in a cult? Could the scourge of heresy-hunters in the United States be the real heretics?

I believe in discernment - don't missunderstand me - and I'm not afraid to criticise the teachings of the faith movement where I consider them at variance with reason and the Scriptures, but you are simply not going to understand these people if you don't take the trouble to read what they've written for yourself and if you ignore some of the better books on the faith movement that have been written by people who haven't any axes to grind.