False Teachings From Kenneth Hagin.

[victoryword]

Is that the best you can do?
How about looking at the subject matter rather than trying to marry up the criticism against your list! This is after all a debate forum rather than 'lets try and categorize this guy who is attacking my view!'

So please tell me, did you read the contents of the links? What is your opinion of each of the points made?

Excuse me Mike

We are not obligated to keep chasing after these stupid off-the-wall web pages that you and others keep pasting here with the same lies and demonic garbage that we have refuted over and over and over again.

You have offered NO REBUTTAL to any of the lies that your fellow anti-wofers have presented so far. Your little game is after we have taken the time to refute one lie, rather than respond (and admit that you are wrong) you barrage us with more lies and demand that we answer them.

May I suggest that you find another hobby. WoF bashing is going out of style

 

[Trish1947]

Victoryword...These guys NEVER quit do they. We refute their false misinformation and the only thing they do is paste junk from other web sites or links to them. It only proves to me that they cannot scripturally refute the WoF teachings but for some odd reason still feel compelled to whine about them.

I agree with you totally. We post scripture until we're blue in the face, and we get heretic websites, as the rebuttle. Somehow I don't see the debate.

 

[victoryword]

So again, there was once a link that showed how Kenneth was taken out of context, posted all over the place, discredited by HH's, when what he originally said made sense when put in context. Anyone know what I'm talking about? I found it an amazing tool, just lost it somewhere.

There are a few of them. I will give you the two most popular ones:

http://www.victoryword.100megspop2.com/prophets_Jesus.html

This one by my friend Gail. Excellent piece.

http://www.mazeministry.com/resources/books/heartstext/chap11.htm

This one by my friend, Ex-Mormon and Apologist against Mormonism, Jim Spencer.

These are excellent starts. But a book that is available for download from my friend Gregg Huestis does even more to show the faith teachers in context against Hanegraaff's out-of-context quotes:

http://www.b2bablessing.org/store.htm

 

[victoryword]

I agree with you totally. We post scripture until we're blue in the face, and we get heretic websites, as the rebuttle. Somehow I don't see the debate.

Exactly TRish, exactly

 

[Mikecpking]

So OK, lets start with Kenneth Copeland..

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God's reason for creating Adam was His desire to reproduce Himself... He was not a little like God. He was not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even. Adam is as much like God as you could get, just the same as Jesus. ...Adam, in the Garden of Eden, was God manifested in the flesh.
Following the Faith of Abraham I, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Copeland Ministries, Fort Worth, Texas, 1989, tape 01-3001, side 1.

Genesis 2 : 7 says that man 'became a living soul formed out of the dust.Adam was definately NOT God incarnated! Can you show me the Scripture that Adam was not subordinate to God? God was definately instructing Adam wat not to do..

Discussion please!

 

[SavedByGrace3]

For the record, as my WoF friends know, I do not fly the WoF banner. But I agree with many of them and do not like them slandered by these "all knowing" web sites.

 

[Christina M]

So OK, lets start with Kenneth Copeland..


Discussion please!

Why don't we start the discussion AFTER you have spent at least one week actually LISTENING to the source instead of quotes/snippets off of heretic-hunter websites?

www.kcm.org

 

[Mikecpking]

There are a few of them. I will give you the two most popular ones:

http://www.victoryword.100megspop2.com/prophets_Jesus.html

This one by my friend Gail. Excellent piece.

http://www.mazeministry.com/resources/books/heartstext/chap11.htm

This one by my friend, Ex-Mormon and Apologist against Mormonism, Jim Spencer.

These are excellent starts. But a book that is available for download from my friend Gregg Huestis does even more to show the faith teachers in context against Hanegraaff's out-of-context quotes:

http://www.b2bablessing.org/store.htm

As I see such a wave of replies I will reply to the first link and something that caught my eye.

KENNETH COPELAND

...

Jesus existed only as an image in the heart of God, until such time as the prophets of the Old Testament could positively confess Jesus into existence through their constant prophecies. (The Power of the Tongue, pp. 8-10) [3]

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John 1 V 1-3 reads

John 1

The Word Became Flesh

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

I think that was before the old testament prophets and if you belive in the Trinity, you would realize that was an incorrect statement!

 

[Trish1947]

This was quoted by Kenneth Copeland..it is not basic WOF belief..it was a man's quote that I don't agree with..

I have heard ministers of different denominations say things, that I don't agree with, but it didn't make the whole denomination consisting of people, null and void and of no consequence.

 

[Mikecpking]

Why don't we start the discussion AFTER you have spent at least one week actually LISTENING to the source instead of quotes/snippets off of heretic-hunter websites?

www.kcm.org

Hi Christina,
That quote is directly from KCM's own tapes. Its at the bottom of the transcript.

"Quote
God's reason for creating Adam was His desire to reproduce Himself... He was not a little like God. He was not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even. Adam is as much like God as you could get, just the same as Jesus. ...Adam, in the Garden of Eden, was God manifested in the flesh.
Following the Faith of Abraham I, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Copeland Ministries, Fort Worth, Texas, 1989, tape 01-3001, side 1.

Come on guys, lets look at whats being said..

 

[victoryword]

As I see such a wave of replies I will reply to the first link and something that caught my eye.

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John 1 V 1-3 reads

John 1

The Word Became Flesh

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

I think that was before the old testament prophets and if you belive in the Trinity, you would realize that was an incorrect statement!

Gee Mike, you pulled out the very MISQUOTE that Gail is refuting IF you read the whole article.

By the way, this has demonstrated to me what a waste of time it would be to engage in any further conversation with you. You will even misquote an article that is refuting the very information you have misquoted. I can't compete against such Genius (said sarcastically of course).

 

[victoryword]

Hi Christina,
That quote is directly from KCM's own tapes. Its at the bottom of the transcript.

"Quote
God's reason for creating Adam was His desire to reproduce Himself... He was not a little like God. He was not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even. Adam is as much like God as you could get, just the same as Jesus. ...Adam, in the Garden of Eden, was God manifested in the flesh.
Following the Faith of Abraham I, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Copeland Ministries, Fort Worth, Texas, 1989, tape 01-3001, side 1.

Come on guys, lets look at whats being said..

Mike, my last post to you. You missed Christina's condition:

Why don't we start the discussion AFTER you have spent at least one week actually LISTENING to the source instead of quotes/snippets off of heretic-hunter websites?​

You totally ignored what she said and responded to her post with the very thing she asked you not to do. You are a piece of work Mike

By the way, I have that whole tape trasncribed in two MS Word documents and I can tell you that Copeland is definitely being misquoted (notice the "..." in between some of his sentences. A clear indicator that something is being left out). I would take the time to provide actual quotes but I have found this to be an utter waste of time so far. Sooo, have fun misquoting. It has not done any damage to the Faith MOvement so far and the only thing one will accomplish is having to answer to God for constantly lying on good men.

Buh-Bye

 

[SavedByGrace3]

http://www.kcm.org/about/faith_statement.php

The first statement in the list shows what Copeland teaches about Jesus being God.





Statement of Faith


We believe in one God-Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Creator of all things.



We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, was crucified, died, was buried, was resurrected, ascended into heaven, and is now seated at the right hand of God the Father and is true God and true man.



We believe the Bible in its entirety to be the inspired Word of God and the infallible rule of faith and conduct.



We believe in the resurrection of the dead, the eternal happiness of the saved, and the eternal punishment of the lost.



We believe in personal salvation of believers through the shed blood of Jesus Christ.



We believe in sanctification through the Word of God and by the Holy Spirit, and we believe in personal holiness, purity of heart and life.



We believe in divine healing, through faith in the Name of Jesus Christ, and that healing is included in the Redemption.



We believe in water baptism, in the Baptism in the Holy Spirit as distinct from the New Birth, in speaking with tongues as the Spirit of God gives utterance (Acts 2:4), in the gifts of the Spirit, and the evidence of the fruit of the Spirit. We believe that all of these are available to believers.



We believe in the Christian's hope-the soon-coming, personal return of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Trish1947]

Mikecpking...So OK, lets start with Kenneth Copeland..

This should have been a clue to us all where this was going.

 

[Mikecpking]

Gee Mike, you pulled out the very MISQUOTE that Gail is refuting IF you read the whole article.

By the way, this has demonstrated to me what a waste of time it would be to engage in any further conversation with you. You will even misquote an article that is refuting the very information you have misquoted. I can't compete against such Genius (said sarcastically of course).

Victoryword,
Rather than making a personal attack on me, I was quoting Kenneth Copland, not Gail.

Jesus existed only as an image in the heart of God, until such time as the prophets of the Old Testament could positively confess Jesus into existence through their constant prophecies

I see on the statement of faith, KCM does believe in the Trinity, but was Jesus really just an image in the heart of the Father in the light of John 1 1 to 3? This was well before the OT prophets.

 

[Mikecpking]

Next one, from a broadcast on TBN, 7/9/87

Kenneth Copeland:
"I say this with all respect so that it don't upset you too bad, but I say it anyway. When I read in the Bible where he [Jesus] says, 'I Am,' I just smile and say, 'Yes, I Am, too!"

Does Kennneth say he is the I AM or not? What would do you say think he means?

 

[jiminpa]

So I will word it more specifically, because I want to know. What scripture says that God, can't take authority over demons? What scripture says that God's authority diminished when He included us in it, (in His name)? It says in Hebrews that Jesus, God in the flesh, is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Jesus said that He didn't come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. Paul, wrote that all scripture is inspired by God and profitable for doctrine. There is no Christian scripture that negates the Old Testament, and WoF teachers often stand on it when it's convienient for them. In the first two chapters of Job, Satan could do nothing to God's servant, Job, that God didn't permit.

The scriptures you listed speak clearly that Jesus gave us authority, but they in no way take it out of God's hands. The fact that it is in Jesus's name, demonstrates that if Jesus doesn't have the authority either do we.

Please show the scriptures that say that God can't go against our will, while we're at it.

 

[Trish1947]

Next one, from a broadcast on TBN, 7/9/87

Kenneth Copeland:
"I say this with all respect so that it don't upset you too bad, but I say it anyway. When I read in the Bible where he [Jesus] says, 'I Am,' I just smile and say, 'Yes, I Am, too!"

Does Kennneth say he is the I AM or not? What would do you say think he means?

I don't have a clue what is in Kenneth Copelands mind when he says things. That would be presumptious of anyone to judge.

But, If we have Christ in us, the hope of glory, and we were dead before, but now will live forever more by His Spirit that dwells in us.. then "I Am too"..

Jhn 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

All we need is some spiritual growth to understand these things.

He's teaching a spiritual truth here.. He's not claiming to be God.

Because Jesus lives I Am too.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Next one, from a broadcast on TBN, 7/9/87

Kenneth Copeland:
"I say this with all respect so that it don't upset you too bad, but I say it anyway. When I read in the Bible where he [Jesus] says, 'I Am,' I just smile and say, 'Yes, I Am, too!"

Does Kennneth say he is the I AM or not? What would do you say think he means?

I would think he meant this:

Gal 2:20 KJVA I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

 

[Svt4Him]

Next one

So Jesus said 'I and the Father are one' yet Mikecpking says He's the "next one". Blasphemy.