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It happened. I was strong in my faith and I have fell into doubt. I am doubting Christianity and the Bible. I see some many things speaking of false religions and I am wondering what if Christianity is really a false religion. Is Christianity the true religion? How do you know it is? Regions like Islam claim they are true. What if Christianity is really the deception, which I don’t think it is. I am trying to pray hard to get a confirmation from God that Christianity is true. Hopefully, sometime soon God can reveal the truth to me. Can someone help me.
When you are stuck in belief, there is always the possibility that doubt will creep in. Your desire should be to know.....and this is not accomplished by looking at more books and more sites...trying to find something better to believe.

Many walk around the wilderness for 40 years.....there will be a few that will get tired of the following of man, and see the narrow path that leads out of the wilderness.....and into life....
 
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So since Christ saves without you needing to do anything....Does this mean the whole world is saved? If not, what does the world need to do to be saved? And if you have an answer other than "nothing," your point is refuted........
People believe and repent because God gives them a New Birth that produces these fruits. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
 
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It happened. I was strong in my faith and I have fell into doubt. I am doubting Christianity and the Bible. I see some many things speaking of false religions and I am wondering what if Christianity is really a false religion. Is Christianity the true religion? How do you know it is? Regions like Islam claim they are true. What if Christianity is really the deception, which I don’t think it is. I am trying to pray hard to get a confirmation from God that Christianity is true. Hopefully, sometime soon God can reveal the truth to me. Can someone help me.

People have doubt simply because humans in general don't know or don't understand what human witnessing is.

Human witnessing is the fundamental way for a truth of any kind to be conveyed among humans. There are several key factors in the process of human witnessing. In the end when taking a closer examination, only Christianity can be the truth, or there's no truth at all.

Under most circumstance, humans are incapable of doing direct examination of a truth (though they themselves don't realize this). They have to rely on a "middle man" to get to a truth indirectly. Our history, our science, daily events of this world all operate this way. Thus you don't need direct evidence to treat the existence of black holes as a scientific fact. 99.99% humans don't examine scientific evidence, only the 0.01% scientists do. In this case, our scientists stand as the "middle man" between a truth and the 99.99% majority of humans. The majority of humans only need to put faith in our scientists to get to a scientific truth.

Of course, we can examine the direct evidence of a scientific truth if we want to, as the nature of science is that it subjects to repeatable examinations. History however doesn't bear such a repeatable nature. We can't examine the evidence of history under most circumstances, especially about the deeds and speeches of a historical figure. The only way for us to get to the deeds and speeches of a historical figure is by putting faith in what have been written down by our past historians. This is how a historical truth can be conveyed.

Similarly for daily events of this world, we don't examine direct evidence of each occurrence. We instead put faith in our media (with reporters and journalists as the "middle man") to get to such a kind of truth.

What we actually examine is rather the credibility of the "middle man" (who is standing between the majority and the truth itself). We can get to reliable scientific results simply because our scientists are reliable "eye-witnesses" of the scientific truths. Their works are subject to repeatable examinations anyway. Similarly we can examine the works of our media of reporters and journalists if what reported are recent occurrences. We however can't query the reliability of our media, say, 100 years ago, simply because we can't examine events occurred 100 years ago to tell how reliable our "middle man" is.

That's actually why, it is generally difficult to query or question history written long ago. History is something "rare". It means that if we choose to reject what have been written due to the fact that we can't examine the credibility of both the "middle man" and the occurrences themselves, it could mean that we have no history.

Now how can we trust the Bible with its authors (the "middle man")? There is nothing better can be done when the following being done,

1) 10 out of the 12 Jesus' direct disciples (they are eye-witnesses) martyred themselves to testify the truth of Jesus.

In the ancient world, nothing can be made more credible than the "middle man" being willing to die for what has been witnessed.

2) Bible is a multiple account witnessing

One of the factors makes our media reliable is that we have multiple free media for us to do the cross-referencing. CNN, Fox News and etc. they don't report a single occurrence very differently. They may have different opinions on how this occurrence shall be explained though. Usually they are consistent in terms of reporting an incident by acquiring information from the eye-witness accounts of that incident. Say, in reporting a car accident they all say the same. However, they may have different opinions on what caused that accident. One of the reliability evaluation comes from the cross referencing of multiple accounts of these "middle men".

In the same fashion. The Bible was testified not by only one "middle man" martyred himself, but by 10 out of the 12.

3) How consistent the contents are

Human documents usually can't last across the border of paper invention. It means that under normal circumstances, after information being transplanted to their paper form, humans lost almost all the original documents which were on ancient scrolls or tablets. Thus we can't compare today's version at hand to its original version written in scrolls and tablets. We may find discrete scrolls but not the scrolls of the whole book. For an example, a history book of 1000 pages was written 2000 years ago. We can have our current version of this book in paper form. But we should have lost its original copy which is supposed in ancient scrolls. we may find some discrete pages of this book but we can't find all the 1000 pages of the same book in scrolls.

This is the usual situation of ancient human documents. However, the Bible doesn't belong to this "usual situation". We have a whole library of Dead Sea Scrolls for us to compare today's OT Bible against its ancient version in scrolls. We can be assured that the same information we read today from our OT Bible remain the same information as they were written some 2000 more years ago. This consistency is needed or otherwise it only means that "God doesn't say the same to today's humans as He said to ancient humans 2000 more years ago".

NT Bibles goes a similar route. We have plenty of ancient scrolls for us to be assured of a consistent NT. The NT scrolls may appear to be discrete, but since we have plenty of them for us humans to convey the same "gospel" consistently.

This is about the process of human witnessing from eye-witness accounts, those who martyred themselves for a truth to convey. Nothing else can be done better after the above being done, in terms of conveying a truth among human across a long history and from before the invention of paper till after.

Now Islam,

1) Mohammed is not an eye-witness of God. Moses is an eye-witness of God as he acquired his information directly from God. All the OT prophets behave this way. They are eye-witnesses of God Himself. Mohammed however claimed to hear from an angel. What he has written thus is not human accounts of witnessing but angel account of witnessing at best. Seemingly Mohammed was clueless about what human witnessing could mean.

People have doubt simply because humans in general don't know or don't understand what human witnessing is. Mohammed didn't make a difference.

2) Quran was written after paper invention. Humans are capable of keeping documents after that point. Bible however requires the Dead Sea Scrolls as a miracle for today's humans to be assured of its consistency. There's a possible divine action involved in the case of Bible but not Quran.

3) There is an intangible guardian assigned to "protect" the contents of the holy book.

In Christianity, we can't add anything to or subtract anything from the Bible as we have a Church acting as a guardian. Mormon tried but it can't be deemed a success. God has assigned His earthly authority on earth in terms of protecting His Word. There is a process we call canonization, which was seriously and carefully done.

The first earthly authority is the Jews. Thus the Jews today are still keeping a correct OT Canon.

The second earthly authority is the Catholics. That's when the Jews failed to function as God's earthly authority. Thus the Catholics are still keeping a correct NT, but not OT Canon.

The last earthly authority is the Protestants. Thus the Protestants are keeping both a correct NT Canon and a correct OT Canon.

Again, this is another possible divine arrangement for only the Bible but not Quran. There's no such an earthly authority was assigned to guard its contents.

At last, Quran is a single account document from Mohammed alone.
 
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In the history of the world, only one founder of a religion has clearly demonstrated that He was God, by constantly doing things only God could do. That was Jesus Christ. He founded one Church, said it was to remain one, and promised that one Church "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me", and "I will be with you until the end of time". All other churches can trace their origins to some ordinary human being, including all the unauthorized conflicting manmade denominations of Protestantism.
 
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People believe and repent because God gives them a New Birth that produces these fruits. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
So everyone gets filled with the Spirit before they believe in God and repent? Does this mean it will happen to the whole world.....or is there only a select few?
 
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So everyone gets filled with the Spirit before they believe in God and repent? Does this mean it will happen to the whole world.....or is there only a select few?
Narrow is the way and few there be that find it.
 
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If you take the time to study your major religions you'll find that all of them have some good things but they all will be lacking something (this includes all your philosophies as well) but you not find that in Christianity if you really examine it carefully.
 
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If you take the time to study your major religions you'll find that all of them have some good things but they all will be lacking something (this includes all your philosophies as well) but you not find that in Christianity if you really examine it carefully.
But, doing good for the wrong reasons is bad. Only in Christianity does good come from God through us.
 
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It happened. I was strong in my faith and I have fell into doubt. I am doubting Christianity and the Bible. I see some many things speaking of false religions and I am wondering what if Christianity is really a false religion. Is Christianity the true religion? How do you know it is? Regions like Islam claim they are true. What if Christianity is really the deception, which I don’t think it is. I am trying to pray hard to get a confirmation from God that Christianity is true. Hopefully, sometime soon God can reveal the truth to me. Can someone help me.
Thankfully God has already given you the answer in the form of rationality and the ability to study and compare various truth claims.

There are hundreds of books on the subject.


Case for Christ by Stroebel.
 
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So do we have to look for it or do we do nothing? you are giving conflicting reports. If you dont know...this is a good answer as well.
The only way we know of our salvation is through living a saved lifestyle. And faith is evidence God saved us, or else we wouldn't believe in any lasting way. So we press on in holiness proving our election and calling to ourselves.
 
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OP, I feel for you, as I was in a similar situation not too long ago.

What I've discovered is that it really boils down to two things:

1. Prayer: We cannot save ourselves as we are imperfect beings. So we need to be asking Christ to show us the truth.
2. I forget where this verse in the bible is (if someone knows please share), where God says that His attributes are all around us. His creation says it all.

For me personally, believing in God because of the really cool evidence found that supports the bible wasn't enough. (Tho, they are excellent "bonus" points (for lack of better words) showing God's power.)

I've come to truly TRULY believe that you simply need to understand that evidence for God is EVERYWHERE in His creation. As others have said, Christianity is like no other religion, we cannot do any works (besides accepting Him as our Lord and Savior and Repenting of our Sins) to secure our salvation. And just reading thru all of the epistles, the depth, width, and height of the bible is amazing.

What I mean is that God desires you to understand WHY He loves you, WHY you exist, and WHY the laws He put are in place. Instead of just following them without question.

So for you, keep praying keep PRAYING!! That is incredibly crucial to your questions being answered. Keep praying to God that He will open your eyes and that He will show you the truth.


I just want to say again, that I feel for you brother. I've had the same doubts. But by the grace of God He shows me new things every day. He's changed my perspective in many areas of scripture and the bible.

For me my struggle was to INSURE that evolution was not real. I have never believed in Evolution, but I had to absolutely make sure that it was not real. After praying, studying, and just simply thinking about it. It finally hit me that evolution cannot be real simply because random chance is not real. There is no such thing as a coincidence, or anything random. Everything has a source, everything has a starting place that builds from there. Take encryption for example, even though it looks random, in reality it isn't. It's just we cannot predict it so we call it random. (If you don't believe me, then tell me why people can break encryption codes from 20 years ago)
 
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I did not read through all of this thread, so I'm not sure if this has been said or not, but I will put this out here, not seeking to debate, but merely to answer to the best of my ability the OP's question. I'm not the greatest at explaining things, but I will try. Please be assured that Christianity is correct, with the Bible as a guideline to all things as to how we are to live our lives. To me, Christianity is not so much a "religion" (although the world calls it such) but rather a relationship with Jesus Christ, who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and the only way to the Father (as stated in John 14:6) and gave His life on the Cross so that all who believe and confess would have eternal life (John 3:16). There is no other way to obtain salvation. And while I don't deny that there are some truth to some of their philosophies brought forth in other religions, it is ultimately the Word of God that has the full truth, when it comes right down to it. It is trustworthy from beginning to end, where as other faiths have heresies and downright lies mixed with some truth, which only creates confusion, and the enemy is the author of confusion. I am reminded of a high school classmate of mine from years ago. He was a very nice person from a Christian background, graduated high school with honors, went on to college and seemed to have everything going for him. Then a Christian lady I knew who I was going to church with at the time (and was also on the school staff) broke the news to me that he passed away at the age of 19, the story being that he started studying Eastern religions in college. Well, it was overwhelming and confusing to him, so much so that he committed suicide. Really sad as he seemed to have great potential. Therefore, as tempting as it might sound, I just don't think it's a good idea to mess with these other faiths outside of Christianity, and especially if one is not well-versed in the Scriptures.

Again, I wish not to debate; just offering my perspective based on my experiences and study of God's Word. I sincerely hope to be helpful.

God bless.
 
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It happened. I was strong in my faith and I have fell into doubt. I am doubting Christianity and the Bible. I see some many things speaking of false religions and I am wondering what if Christianity is really a false religion. Is Christianity the true religion? How do you know it is? Regions like Islam claim they are true. What if Christianity is really the deception, which I don’t think it is. I am trying to pray hard to get a confirmation from God that Christianity is true. Hopefully, sometime soon God can reveal the truth to me. Can someone help me.
What human can help with this? Take your sincere questions in prayer to the God you seek to worship in the way He would have you worship.
 
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It happened. I was strong in my faith and I have fell into doubt. I am doubting Christianity and the Bible. I see some many things speaking of false religions and I am wondering what if Christianity is really a false religion. Is Christianity the true religion? How do you know it is? Regions like Islam claim they are true. What if Christianity is really the deception, which I don’t think it is. I am trying to pray hard to get a confirmation from God that Christianity is true. Hopefully, sometime soon God can reveal the truth to me. Can someone help me.

Kota,
I am curious as to what specifically brought on your doubt? Was it seeming Biblical contradictions, traditions and differences between denominations, other religions' teachings??? Do you feel let down by God with unanswered prayers? If you could pinpoint the cause(s) maybe we can be of better assistance.
 
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Is Christianity the true religion? How do you know it is
This very exact question was settled for me when i actually read the full things Jesus said, in full and complete wording, in the gospels, Matthew and John.
And started trying them out.

And when i tried the
"love your neighbor as yourself"
with complete strangers next door. With wonderfully good results far better than i expected.

And. "Love your enemy"
with a real enemy of several years, with the shocking result of real and genuine love in return where i had previously only gotten disdain and insults.

Just incredibly good results far past anything i expected.

Finding out, one thing at a time, that what Jesus said is true.

Forgive from your heart.

In everything, do to others what you would have them do to you.

Each thing He said led to good outcomes and really improved my actual life. The love and friendship and gifts to me went up by a huge factor, like 20 times, from ok up to abundant, overflowing.

So, i began to wonder if it could be everything He said was true.

Everything.

It is.
 
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You do realize that a good chunk of those Christians who wake up on any given morning these days and realize, "Oh gosh, I'm having big doubts!!!"......................those Christians quite often come out of "non-denominational" and/or more "hyper-fundamentalist" churches, don't you?

My point is that churches that focus too much on 'protecting' the bible or on attaining the ultra-charismatic life are, more often than not, prone to failing belief among their members when :cyclone: Reality :cyclone: comes knocking on the door...........................................

So, try not to let it all get you down too low. Just take this as a step forward and as an opportunity for growth as a person. It doesn't have to be a downer as long as you're willing to question both the good and the bad in life.

I thought this thread was about false religions, not attacking other Christians. I don't agree with your assessment.
 
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