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IF it is a fact that only facts can be demonstrable and independently verifiable, this is not a fact unless you can demonstrate it and independently verify it.
Do you understand the difference between analytic and synthetic statements?
 
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Through natural processes, which aren't necessarily random.

natural process is random, if no body is designing it, it is all random, they just need to follow laws of physics, but everything else is random. You are just siting there and let nature push those chemicals around.
 
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Explain to me how this relates to facts needing to be demonstrable and independently verifiable.
It is axiomatic that facts need to be demonstrable and independently verifable. I fail to see why this needs explanation.
 
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IF it is a fact that only facts can be demonstrable and independently verifiable, this is not a fact unless you can demonstrate it and independently verify it.
Fact: the Golden State Warriors will set a new NBA record for most wins in a season, surpassing the Chicago Bulls, if they beat the Utah Grizzlies tonight.
 
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Fact: the Golden State Warriors will set a new NBA record for most wins in a season, surpassing the Chicago Bulls, if they beat the Utah Grizzlies tonight.
As a native Chicago witness of the Bulls dynasty, this disturbs me.
 
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It is axiomatic that facts need to be demonstrable and independently verifable. I fail to see why this needs explanation.

only to a certain degree. What we think is demonstrable and verifiable can only be done within certain limits, i.e. in physics we know we can't measure anything accurately (only to a certain degree) because to measure something, you have to hit it with something (a ray etc), that will move the subject you are trying to measure. And when you get into quantum physics, nothing is for certain, just bunch of probabilities.
 
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only to a certain degree. What we think is demonstrable and verifiable can only be done within certain limits, i.e. in physics we know we can't measure anything accurately (only to a certain degree) because to measure something, you have to hit it with something (a ray etc), that will move the subject you are trying to measure. And when you get into quantum physics, nothing is for certain, just bunch of probabilities.
I've actually hinted at this before, so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.
 
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It is axiomatic that facts need to be demonstrable and independently verifable. I fail to see why this needs explanation.
How did we attain the truth behind the axiom that a fact need be demonstrable and independently verifiable?
 
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