You are the Roman Catholic so please answer the question. Has the Catholic Magisterium infallibly interpreted every verse in the Sacred Scriptures? If not then Haydock is just another opinion on Scriptures your Church gives wide liberties in doing so.I don't know, but you apparently do, so why don't you tell me?
Pretty good, actually. I don't think I see anything here that I would object to, at least at first glance. Generally speaking I tend to understand "faith" in James 2 along the lines of "intellectual belief" as well.Simple, we are saved by grace, through faith to do works. However, "if [faith] is not accompanied by action, is dead." After all, "Even the demons believe [in Jesus] and shudder."
I believe the simple. Everyone who calls themselves "Christian" like to call Jesus their "Savior". But "Savior" is a title that describes something Jesus did, He Saves. However, "Lord" is a title of who Jesus is. Not every person who calls Jesus their "savior" will also quickly confess Jesus to be LORD in their lives. Salvation is a gift of grace that is given to us freely, however, it costs us everything. It means dying to self. If you believe in Jesus but refuse to submit to His Lordship, congratulations!, you are just a little worse than a demon. Because at least demons believe in Jesus and fear HIM. This is really an issue of people believing in "Cheap Grace" or "Easy Believism"
In the story about the Israelites and the Golden Calf, do you recall how the Israelites worshiped the calf. They weren't calling it Ba'al or Moloch. Rather, they were saying, "This is the God who led you out of Egypt!" Their sin was not simply worshiping another god. Their sin was reducing God into a manmade image of their own design. When we refuse to establish Jesus as Lord in our lives. We too are worshiping a "Golden Calf" Jesus of our own design rather than Jesus for who He really is. The Lord of all creation.
Yes quite sobering. He either knows us or He does not. The dichotomy is clear and truth.1 John 2:3-4
We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person
LOL. Why are you asking me questions that you already know the answer to? I am not playing that game, sorry.You are the Roman Catholic so please answer the question. Has the Catholic Magisterium infallibly interpreted every verse in the Sacred Scriptures? If not then Haydock is just another opinion on Scriptures your Church gives wide liberties in doing so.
So the answer I guess is “no the Roman Catholic Church has not infallibly interpreted every verse of Sacred Scriptures.”LOL. Why are you asking me questions that you already know the answer to? I am not playing that game, sorry.
A works based salvation is one of the defining differences between Christianity and almost every other religion
The instance: Abraham sacrificing Issac.Well that depends. In your question, please clarify (i) "the instance" and (ii) "the rule".
You have not really set forth your argument in a clear manner, and I am not 100% sure what your argument is, to be frank.
James 2:17 obviously alsoYes quite sobering. He either knows us or He does not. The dichotomy is clear and truth.
I think Catholics should care their One True Church 2000 years and counting had not got around to interpreting the very texts they claim give them authority.Who cares?
The whole book of James.James 2:17 obviously also
True saving Faith begets works worthy of faith.Who here ever mentioned a works based salvation? That's a serious questions and hope you can answer it.
What do you mean by "works", is being good/obedient to God, works? Or do you mean helping people, like feeding the poor and such?
Thanks. It's a little late so I'll try to get back to you this week. I have a few objections to the "demonstrate your faith" view but they are probably the common ones that you have heard before.The instance: Abraham sacrificing Issac.
The rule: Faith is made complete by works.
My argument is that Abraham's works - taking Issac to the altar and beginning to sacrifice him until God told him to stop - were motivated by faith, as also stated in Hebrews 11:17-19. Because faith motivated the works, the works demonstrated that the faith was complete. If he didn't go as far as he did, it would have demonstrated a failing of his faith, it would have stopped short of where it needed to be. Either way, the faith is the rightful centerpiece here, since the works demonstrate the quality, and even the existence, of the faith. This therefore does no harm to the doctrine of "salvation by faith alone" when it is understood properly. (Interestingly enough, the example of the thief on the cross who confessed Christ, and is frequently used by Catholics as an example of valid "baptism by desire" since he literally could not do works, supports "salvation by faith alone").
Not sure this belongs in the controversial section, but we'll see how it goes anyway.
Salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone is what excommunicated Luther from Rome and began the Reformation, correct? My question then is, if there are any since then who have adopted again a belief of some kind in salvation by faith plus works, should they still be considered more in line with the Reformation or the likes of Rome again?
Friend, the Catholic Church derives her authority from our Lord Jesus, not from any particular verse of Sacred Scripture. The Catholic Church existed before the first book of the New Testament was ever written.I think Catholics should care their One True Church 2000 years and counting had not got around to interpreting the very texts they claim give them authority.
Luther was excommunicated from an Apostate New Testament church. He, Luther, and many many others were appalled by the numerous false doctrines, such as the papacy, indulgences, the sinless virgin Mary and praying to the martyrs and multiple others. Just because Luther left a church in error doesn't, by any means, make him right.Not sure this belongs in the controversial section, but we'll see how it goes anyway.
Salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone is what excommunicated Luther from Rome and began the Reformation, correct? My question then is, if there are any since then who have adopted again a belief of some kind in salvation by faith plus works, should they still be considered more in line with the Reformation or the likes of Rome again?
Hmm. So, would you say that you are a non-Catholic Christian who believes that works play a role in our salvation?Luther was excommunicated from an Apostate New Testament church. He, Luther, and many many others were appalled by the numerous false doctrines, such as the papacy, indulgences, the sinless virgin Mary and praying to the martyrs and multiple others. Just because Luther left a church in error doesn't, by any means, make him right.
Believing and obeying God does in NO WAY EVER constitute a "works" based salvation.
When we are told by His inspired word that we must be baptized to be saved He meant just that.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark 16:16
No one here, or on Earth has the mind of God to say He didn't mean exactly what He said.
No one here, or on Earth, has the authority to ignore or make null and void even one syllable He spoke. Man does not have it within him to please God without His guidance.
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Proverbs 14:12
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 14:21
Being obedient to God is imperative to pleasing Him; it was that way in the Garden of Eden and it is the same today.
In Him
What church do you go to, friend?Luther was excommunicated from an Apostate New Testament church. He, Luther, and many many others were appalled by the numerous false doctrines, such as the papacy, indulgences, the sinless virgin Mary and praying to the martyrs and multiple others. Just because Luther left a church in error doesn't, by any means, make him right.
Believing and obeying God does in NO WAY EVER constitute a "works" based salvation.
When we are told by His inspired word that we must be baptized to be saved He meant just that.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark 16:16
No one here, or on Earth has the mind of God to say He didn't mean exactly what He said.
No one here, or on Earth, has the authority to ignore or make null and void even one syllable He spoke. Man does not have it within him to please God without His guidance.
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Proverbs 14:12
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 14:21
Being obedient to God is imperative to pleasing Him; it was that way in the Garden of Eden and it is the same today.
In Him
Correction:Friend, the Catholic Church derives her authority from our Lord Jesus, not from any particular verse of Sacred Scripture. The Catholic Church existed before the first book of the New Testament was ever written.
As for what you think Catholics should care about, that is very nice, but I am not particularly concerned with your opinion on the matter, nor did I ask for it. I will let you know when that changes, thank you.
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