Originally posted by LouisBooth
Yup, you got it mostly right from what I see though. Its okay No, you and drew have shown me that if you're sick then you're sinful, which is not the case at all.
Ya see! ya disagree no matter what.
Neither Andrew or I teach what you keep accusing us of. We deny, you accuse. You have it set in your mind, and you only hear yourself.
If a man is sexually promiscuous, and he gets aids, did he get that disease because he sinned? Yes!
If that same man takes the disease home to his faithful wife, did she sin? No!
Now suppose, she becomes pregnant and gives birth to a child with aids, did the child sin? No!
However, the disease is present because of someones sin. Not the faithful wife and not the child, but the husband and dad.
OK, lets try another, I have a friend who was born with a disease that keeps him from growing. His particular problem was due to his mother taking a prescribed drug given her by her doctor. No one knew the drug caused deformities. Did my friend sin? No. Did his mother sin? No. Did the doctor sin? No. But out of ignorance the doctor gave the medication, and the mother out of trust took it.
Suppose someone is born deformed and there is no idea by man why it happened. Did the person deformed sin? No. Did the parents sin? No
God did not give me the symtoms of the flu that I'm fighting with. I've been working 11 - 12 hr days, 6 days a week, not getting enough rest and not eating right. That's why I have those symptoms. Is it sin not to take care of yourself? Yes! I don't get depressed over it though. I ask God to show me more balance so this does not happen again, and go on with my life.
To glorify God and live for Him in any of this is good. But to think that God did it is not. THAT IS THE POINT WE ARE MAKING! God does not inflict His children with disease and broken bones. Yes, we can learn some good lessons while we are recuperating from things but GOD DID NOT DO IT TO US!
If God is the one who did it then it is a sin to go to the doctor to get rid of it. What I hear you saying is "God gave you the gift of aids and now you are going to the doctor so he can take that gift away.
Your saying that Jesus has to experince sickness in order to know what we are going through. So, does that mean that He also had a sexually transmitted disease so He could understand what that person is going through? If your gonna apply it to one situation you have to apply it to all.
I do believe that satan is the thief, the destroyer, and the lyer. None of those can be applied to God. Satan is the one who causes deformaties.
Now, someone may become deformed due to their poor judgement. Such as diving head first into shallow water. God did not break their neck and cause them to be paraplegic. The person themself did it. Was it sin to dive into shallow water? No. Was it ignorant? Yes!
I believe Louis that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes on Him will be saved. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through Him would be saved.
I believe we are saved from hell in all it's forms. Sickness is from hell and Jesus died so that we would not have to experience it in any form. As humans we do, but we don't have to.
I'm thankful I've grown up in the type of church I did. I see people healed all the time. People I know. I've been healed myself, many times. I'd hate to go somewhere, where I was told that I just had to learn to live with it. That God gave it to me as a gift. . . what rot!