Originally posted by humblejoe Which do you think pleases God: a sermon on how to get rich, or a sermon on how to pursue sanctification?
So, the only sermon I'm allowed to listen to or preach is to be about pursuing santification? I've know Jesus since I was a child. I was at least 4 years old. Contrary to what some teach, I did know what I was doing. I have never backslid. I never got involved in drugs, drink, or sex or any other vices. I have kept myself pure.
I'm not saying I'm perfect. I've made my share of errors, but Holy Spirit convicted me on the spot, I repented, and went on with my life not to do the same thing again. 2 Peter 1:10 says, "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never "fall"." To the best of my knowledge I do not need to repent everytime I go to a meeting. I am santified the moment I repent. I don't have to continue to repent of the same things over and over and over again. And neither should anyone else.
Originally posted by humblejoe
Oh please... attack my character... my studies... my demeanor... even *gasp*, my heart! But pleeeaaassseeeee don't attack my username!!! 
I apologize if you feel I have attacked you. That was not and has never been my intent.
Originally posted by humblejoe [B} If God doesn't cause sickness, then who does? [/B]
Well, according to John 10:10 "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."
Originally posted by humblejoe
Ooohhhhh, thank you, thank you, thank you, Rabboni. I shall do good to reprimand myself and relearn how to study scripture! 
You've questioned my humility and my salvation. I thought you said it was a sin to judge another's salvation.
I did not mean to sound as if I was judging your salvation. I questioned your method. I've been where you are, I've done what you're doing, and I paid the price dearly. The disipline of the Lord hurts. And at no time did His discipline include sickness or broken bones. He did definately show me Who the True Judge was though. And it was not me.
While I may have been correct in my understanding of the scripture I was whelding like a jagged knife, I hurt more people than I helped and I regret it deeply. I've done a lot of apologizing and don't plan to ever have God put me through that again.
My intent was to sound an alarm to let you know you're treading on dangerous ground to judge the motives and intents of others hearts.
My thoughts on your heart motive is that you believe you are sounding the alarm that WOF people are false teachers. I am not WOF, but I do believe what I've read in the Bible. If it sounds like I'm WOF it's because I'm acting and speaking according to what I've read in the Bible.
I believe I have given good backup for what I've shared. But the responses I've received back from anti WOF have not been very thoughtful. Nor have they backed themselves up very adequately. Trampling one scripture and using another one to do does not work. Scripture does not contradict itself. Therefore, we must see all of the scripure involved and come to a balanced opinion.
I don't care what so and so from WOF says or does. I cannot answer for them. I can only answer for me, and what I believe, and why I believe it. To have my reasoning continuously ignored and being accused of saying things that I continue to deny is wrong. It shows me that the person I'm talking with is not listening. They've got it set in their mind that I'm a false teacher and they hear nothing I say.
I've asked questions that are ignored. I'm referred to books that I've already read and responded as to why the author of that book is wrong. I don't want to be proven wrong according to another persons standards. I want to be proven wrong according to Gods standards. Not what another person says God's standards are, but what God says are His standard. I have gotten inadequate responses from anti WOF people. I only get yelled at. And I don't like being yelled at.
Originally posted by humblejoe I'm not judging individual people's hearts, I'm making valid observations of charismatic spectacle.
A "valid" observation can be make only when we have all the facts about what we are observing. You do not know anyone's heart. According to the Word, only God can do that. You don't know their intent on why they are at said meeting. You don't know what they have been through before they got to the point they are at. You don't know what God has already done for them. You don't know. Therefore, any observation with the conclusion that your brother or sister has an "impure heart" is invalid.
The demon possessed man, the women with the issue of blood, the lame guy who was dancing all over the place, the blind guy who was shouting at the top of his lungs. . . . all of these were experiencing very real things. They are not invalid just because you are not experienceing them.
Originally posted by LouisBooth False statement. he can do everything and be everything I have said and be Lord and Savior and God.
Louis,
Again, you show your art of not listening. According to the Word the sacrificial lamb had to be spotless. Without blemish and healthy. That is not what you conveyed when you said that Jesus experienced sickness in His body during His life. He took all of this on at the cross and not until. If His blood was tainted it would not be able to pay the price for anyone's sins or heal anybody. Your statement ripped at my soul.
Originally posted by LouisBooth Let me tell you a story. You're a bear and you're caught in a bear trap. Now a hunter comes long to free you. To do so he has to push the trap farther into your wound to release it. You think he is hurting you but he is really helping you. Let me tell you another story. You have problems with pride. You're amazing at football. God allows your knee to give out so that football is taken away from you. As a result you rely more on God and less on yourself. God allows suffering to bring us to him. Christ got sick when he was here. If he had not, how can he know the pain of a cold? If I have a cold can I honestly say that the trial that comes with it christ has never been through? Nope.
One problem with this story is that I'm not a bear in a tree. I was never a bear in a tree. Jesus died for the sins of humans, not animals. His blood was pure and spotless.
IS 53:6 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on <B>him</B> the iniquity of us all.
This happend at the cross, not before. Jesus showed us how to walk in health, by being healthy. Jesus showed us how to walk in no lack, He had what He needed and then some. Otherwise, what was Judas stealing from? Jesus showed us how to cast out demons, heal the sick, and raise the dead. Jesus showed us how to walk like Him. Why would He teach all of that if we were not expected to learn it. In fact, He taught all that to the disciples before they were even saved and filled with the Holy Ghost.
Originally posted by LouisBooth I agree, but I have every right to judge their fruit and their teachings. I am commanding by my God to do so. Beward the theif that comes to kill and destroy. Beward the weeds that grow among the wheat. I'll not follow a false teacher thanks, no matter how brightly they shine. Satan was an angel of LIGHT ya know.
One's fruit and teachings cannot be adequately judged without knowing that person. If you have not sat down for yourself with a person in question and asked them questions, then you really do not know. By reading someone else's book, your going on second hand information.
How would it be for you to write a manuel on Youth Leadership, only to have someone take a partiel sentence out of the middle of a paragraph from the middle of the book and teach that you said this in regards to that, when that was not even the same subject?
The theif is Satan, not your fellow brother and sister. Also, what Jesus really said is:
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. (Matt 13:24-28)
It is not our job to pull weeds. God will do it at the end when we all stand before Him. Only He, not we, knows who the real weeds are. Because, "while man looks on the outward appearance, God looks on the heart".
Originally posted by LouisBooth No, I'm actually allowing God to fully reveil himself to them. If they get sick I don't want them thinking they aren't faithful enough. Christ said that wasn't so. Read your bible. Might I sugguest the book of John. You should start with chapter 9. The subtitle in most bibles is a man born blind.
I've already clarified that faithfullness/unfaithfullness has nothing to do with sickness. But, alas, you keep on bringing it up.[/color][/font]
