Faith Movement

[SpiritPsalmist]

Hey Snup,

Here's one of my testimonys.  You might of read it already on the other thread but it's worth reapeating.  I got a bunch of testimony's too. 

Several years ago, in the apartment complex I lived in, I was surrounded by several unoccupied apts.  I prayed and asked God to send me neighbors that would recieve the seed of the Gospel that I plant. 

Within a few weeks several new neighbors moved in.  The one's directly below me, I started talking to one day and noticed the Russian accent (I've been to Russia twice on mission trips).  I asked them where they were from, and my ear heard correctly, they were from Russia and the surrounding areas.

Within a few weeks, one day getting ready for work I heard what sounded like a lot of people outside the apt.&nbsp; I looked out the window to see about 20 people waiting outside. . . all Russian of course <IMG alt="" src="http://www.christianforums.com/images/smilies/smile.gif" border=0>

I said, God, you've brought them to my door.&nbsp; During a couple years time I began to teach several of them English, using a Bible based English learning book.&nbsp;

One night I was watching TBN, which I normally do not watch, and they were interviewing a Russian general who is a christian who gives Bibles to his men.

I rushed downstairs to have my friends watch the show since they would understand what was being said.&nbsp; They sat glued to the TV.&nbsp; Afterwords, one of them asked me how she could get a Bible.

I said, Lord, I need Russian Bibles.&nbsp; The next day, I mailed off for approx 3 (that's all I could afford at the time).&nbsp; My pastor found out about it and took up an offering so I could purchase more.&nbsp; When I received the 1st package, I gave them out.&nbsp; The next day, I had people I had never met come up to me and ask for Bibles.&nbsp; In that shipment I orderd not only Russian, but Ukrain, Polish, Ugoslavian, etc.&nbsp; The Lord had litterally brought the nations to my door step.&nbsp; I still cry, even as I write this at the creativity of our God.

It has been at least 6 years and I am still receiving and giving Russian, etc Bibles away.&nbsp; I've had total strangers walk up to me with bags in their hands asking me if I know anyone who needs Russsian Bibles, and they hand me the bag.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Another time, I had lost a bunch of weight.&nbsp; I needed new business clothes but did not have the funds to buy them.&nbsp; I prayed and asked God to meet my need.

A few days later, a friend called and said a&nbsp;her husband had a co-worker give him a box of clothes and they wanted to give them to me.&nbsp; When I got the clothes they were everything I needed and nearly new.

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With my last trip to Russia, I knew the moment I opened the mail box and took out the broschure about the trip, I heard God say, "prepare to go".&nbsp; By the next day I had my support letter written, it was mailed out and the money all came in as needed.&nbsp; I did not have to do any begging or cajoling with anyone.&nbsp; One person in my church, who worked for Orlando In't Airport, gave me the ticket from Orlando to John F Kennedy.

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During the time of room-mating, the current got engaged.&nbsp; The last few months I had advertised for a room-mate everywhere.&nbsp; Every Christian publication I could find, I advertised.&nbsp; But no one came.&nbsp; The wedding came and went and I still had no room-mate.&nbsp;

The evening before the rent was due, I went to bed and lay in bed praying.&nbsp; I said, "God, you know my need.&nbsp;&nbsp;Rent's due tomorrow. I have only half the rent.&nbsp; I suppose I could, maybe borrow the money, but I don't believe that's what&nbsp;You want me to do.&nbsp;&nbsp;Show me what to do God."&nbsp; I went to sleep.&nbsp;

The next thing the phone was ringing.&nbsp; I stumbled to the phone (I don't wake up well &nbsp;&nbsp; )&nbsp; When I answered it, it was a friend that said they were sorry they were calling so late but they needed to move and did I still need a room-mate.&nbsp; They wanted to move in the next day. . .As I went back to bed, I glanced at the clock,&nbsp;it was midnight.&nbsp; God met my need

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&nbsp; I'll give more later

 

[Caedmon]

Originally posted by Andrew
Snup & Quaffie,

These guys just wanna poke fun and be sarcastic. They are not here to learn. We may not have all the answers, but we're certainly better off where health, long life and healing are concerned, Amen! So lets enjoy the blessings and not focus on the critics. If someone truly wants to know more, let's share, but if they're just here to be a thorn in the flesh and just to have to last say, forget them. Paul tells us not to be involved in silly arguments, splitting hairs on words etc,. If we've told them once, twice, thrice and they obviously just wanna argue and have the last say, let it go.

No, I really want to fly. It's always been a big wish of mine. I've had dozens of dreams about being able to fly around. I would love to do that. My question is: Will God let me fly?

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Originally posted by humblejoe


No, I really want to fly. It's always been a big wish of mine. I've had dozens of dreams about being able to fly around. I would love to do that. My question is: Will God let me fly?

Most likely not until you get to heaven, but, one can never know.&nbsp; If God needs to fly you I'm sure He can arrange it &nbsp;

Luke 1:37 "For with God nothing shall be impossible.&nbsp; What part of "nothing" do you think would exclude you?&nbsp;&nbsp;

Good night humblejoe,

Be blessed and have a good nights rest.

&nbsp;

 

[LouisBooth]

"But I caution you, using God's authority to do things not within the will of God is the same as witchcraft. "

okay, so if it is God's will for me to believe in these things..show them to me. I'll go with thomas on this one, until I see I'm not gonna beileve ya..now christ showed thomas..so come show me.

"Yet, so many on this site think God does not talk. They think He's abusive. I don't understand. How can one truely know Him and think such things?"

That's not what we think at all, but what you IMPLY we think. I would rather cut off my leg then my whole person die..seems that God feels the same way and expresses the same thoughts over and over again in the scriptures. Rather my body perish under sickness then my spirit be thrown in the depts of hell. That's seemingly what you don't get.

 

[SnuP]

Originally posted by LouisBooth
okay, so if it is God's will for me to believe in these things..show them to me. I'll go with thomas on this one, until I see I'm not gonna beileve ya..now christ showed thomas..so come show me.

Louis, the point isn't that you sould believe in miricules.&nbsp; Its that you believe in the intimacy of God's love.&nbsp; Its that you believe that God longs to walk and talk with you about petty things and great things.&nbsp; That He wants to show you kindness and poor out blessings upon you.&nbsp; He is just like any father trying to love His children.&nbsp; He uses miracles as vessels to administer His love.&nbsp; The closer you get to Him, the more miracles you will see.

I don't really care if you believe in miracles.&nbsp; Just believe that you can get so close to God that He can become everthing we always wanted a earthly father to be and much more.

(Louis I am not&nbsp;trying to&nbsp;imply that I&nbsp;know what you personally belive or where your relationship is)

 

[SnuP]

Originally posted by humblejoe


No, I really want to fly. It's always been a big wish of mine. I've had dozens of dreams about being able to fly around. I would love to do that. My question is: Will God let me fly?

Man, do I ever feel the same way.&nbsp; I also have frequent dreams that I can fly.&nbsp; I hope and believe that one day God will fulfill my dreams as a testimony of His awsome power and love for His people.&nbsp; Much like the purpose of Jesus walking on water.

To answer your question:&nbsp; I hope so.&nbsp; I believe that He'll let me.

But if I never do, I'm sure that experiening His glory (on earth and in my own life)&nbsp;will be so wonderful that I might just forget about flying.

 

[SnuP]

Originally posted by Quaffer
Hey Snup,

Thanks for posting them.

I must admit, at the moment, I'm a bit discouraged.&nbsp; I've&nbsp;known God most of my life, around 45 years and have always had a very close relationship with Him.&nbsp;

He kept me from getting into trouble.&nbsp; He kept me safe.&nbsp; I could hear (an inner voice) Him telling me when danger was ahead and to stay away or be careful.&nbsp; I walked in obedience as much as I understood. And God has blessed me

Yet, so many on this site think&nbsp;God does not talk.&nbsp; They think He's abusive.&nbsp; I don't understand.&nbsp; How can one truely know Him and think such things?

Hopefully, someone is being ministered to on this site and they can get past the rubbish posted by some.

More later,

&nbsp;I was told by my pastor that there are two things that keep people from experiencing God's love in the deepest way.&nbsp; That is not being willing to give up what they love or what they fear, over God.&nbsp; I believe that God wants to talk to us, through the "ears of our spirit", constaintly.&nbsp; Not just about dangers and direction, but about how much He loves us.&nbsp; He wants to show us and remove, the obsticles that seperate us from His imbrace.&nbsp; He wants to pass by us without having to put His hand over us.

Have you ever seen a child playing with his father in a medow.&nbsp; Maybe their kicking a ball, maybe their tickling each other, maybe their wresling.&nbsp; This is what God want with each of His children.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Originally posted by LouisBooth
That's not what we think at all, but what you IMPLY we think. I would rather cut off my leg then my whole person die..seems that God feels the same way and expresses the same thoughts over and over again in the scriptures. Rather my body perish under sickness then my spirit be thrown in the depts of hell. That's seemingly what you don't get.

Why would you assume that I was referring to you?&nbsp; And, I believe we've said basically the&nbsp;same thing to you in regards to implications.

I do get it Louis.&nbsp; I too would rather cut off my leg than my whole person die . . .but I would even more rather that I take care of the leg so it does not have to be cut off.&nbsp; God also expresses those thoughts throughout the scriptures.&nbsp;

I suppose if one is so hard headed that they need to lose their leg, be sick, etc in order to learn, serve and/or be kept in line by&nbsp;God, then so be it.&nbsp; I have not found such measures needed by&nbsp;God in my life.&nbsp; &nbsp;

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Here's a take on "Footprints" that I thought some might enjoy.

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There was a night I had a dream

One set of footprints there was seen,

The footprints of my precious Lord,

But mine were not along the shore,

But then some stranger prints appeared,

I asked the Lord, "what have we here?"

Those prints are large and round and neat,

But Lord, they are too big for feet."&nbsp;

"My child," He said in somber tones,

"For miles I carried you alone.

I challenged you to walk in faith,

But you refused and made me wait.

You disobeyed, you would not grow,

So you were tired, fed up,

And there I dropped you on your butt

Because in life, there comes a time,

When one must fight and one must climb,

When one must rise and take a stand

Or leave their butt print in the sand.

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[LouisBooth]

"That He wants to show you kindness and poor out blessings upon you"

I know that already, but he is focused on SPIRITUAL blessings..ya know, where moths can't eat, rust can't rust away, and theives can't steal? He says so as much in the scriptures

"Louis I am not trying to imply that I know what you personally belive or where your relationship is"

OH, I didn't take you to do so

"Why would you assume that I was referring to you? "

Because you've said as much in past posts.

"I suppose if one is so hard headed that they need to lose their leg, be sick, etc in order to learn, serve and/or be kept in line by God, then so be it. "

There ya go, God uses sickness and sometimes for good. that's a step in the right direction, you're getting there. Its not always because you're "hard headed" though. Take job for example.

 

[SnuP]

Louis, God allways uses the actions of the enemy to teach us.

 

[LouisBooth]

I totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is why gold MUST go through the fire to get purifed. This is why you MUST work it over in order to get impurites out. There is on maybe about it. It has to be done.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I have had a lot of fun in the discussions.
Alas I am drawn away.
Hope to be back in a while. Blessings to all!
Your friend and brother.
Hobie

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

OK All,

Let's remember to keep it civil please.&nbsp; I would like this thread to stay open.

Thank you

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Originally posted by LouisBooth

Ahh..so they didn't come right away and they were poor for 2 years huh?

Well Louis,

I'm not sure what you mean by "poor". For me "poor" is not having a place to sleep at night. No food on the table. No job.

According to the "worlds" data on poverty, my level of income would be considered "poor" but I am anything but. I have a good job, I just bought a home, I have a good car, I have food on the table. I don't consider that poor.

So, being that when the wisemen did show up, they found Joseph, Mary, and Jesus in a house (I gave you that scripture already), I don't know that they were as poor as we might say. I don't believe they were rich, but Joseph certaintly had to be a good provider. Would her father have allowed her to marry him if he could not provide the basics? I doubt it.

Originally posted by LouisBooth

Okay, but it seems that Christ was also one until he started his ministry...just think...Christ, God..working as a petty carpender..sweating...probalby cutting himself now and again...

Yes, I suppose so, but I doubt it took long to heal

Originally posted by LouisBooth

Umm..that in no way proves they had a lot of money??? He took some out now and again...Again, it was worth about 300 deneri..if they were rich then Judus would have been saying, ahh..so what, I can grab 400 or 500 from the "bag" and not worry about it. This shows me even more that they were poor if he is worrying about such a small mouth in terms of being rich.

Maybe that's why they had only 300 deneri

Originally posted by LouisBooth

So you believe in a dry reading of scripture? The text says, why have you forsaken me..do you think he kinda just said that in a calm monotone voice?

The passage in John 6 shows they were worried and were stating this in a worried type of way..more like..where in the heck are we gonna get enough money to buy bread for these people..jesus you're nuts!!!

Uh, the "why have you forsaken me" was not the scripture ref that I referred to. But, in ref to the one I gave, it could could go the other way too Louis. He could have responded sorta like Horshach in Welcome Back Kotter "ooh ooh, what ya gonna show us now Jesus".&nbsp; The way I respond to something new&nbsp;is&nbsp;"All right, what great adventure are we goin' on now God."

Originally posted by LouisBooth

Hey, LFJ, great perspective on the money thing. Where your treasure is, your heart is there also.

My treasure is in Jesus!&nbsp;It's in Him that I live, move, and have my being. (Acts 17:28)

 

[LouisBooth]

"I don't consider that poor."

ahh..I don't consider it rich either I live the same way.

"So, being that when the wisemen did show up, they found Joseph, Mary, and Jesus in a house"

A house? Can you please cite that again?

"Yes, I suppose so, but I doubt it took long to heal "

As long as any other human without treatment

"Maybe that's why they had only 300 deneri"

Then that is not rich by any standard of the day. Again, we see the disciples weren't rich at all, for all the things they did that is pretty poor.

"Uh, the "why have you forsaken me" was not the scripture ref that I referred to. "

But it shows how drying you read scripture.

"The way I respond to something new is "All right, what great adventure are we goin' on now God." "

YOu can't say that based on the actual text. Why don't you look up the greek.

"My treasure is in Jesus! It's in Him that I live, move, and have my being. "

Then you're not of the school of physical blessings We get the things we work for. We do not get it handed to us, For God is not a meal ticket.

 

[Loser For Jesus]

Originally posted by Quaffer
My treasure is in Jesus!&nbsp;It's in Him that I live, move, and have my being. (Acts 17:28)

So you hate money according to Matthew 6:24 then?

love in Christ,

Malcolm

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Originally posted by LouisBooth


ahh..I don't consider it rich either I live the same way.

Then on this we agree.&nbsp; I&nbsp;am&nbsp;blessed. I have a whole lot more than some who make much more money than I do.&nbsp; I&nbsp;will have whatever He deems that I need and is necessary for the sake of the gospel.&nbsp;

Originally posted by LouisBooth

A house? Can you please cite that again?

Matt 2:11 "And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him; and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh."

Originally posted by LouisBooth

As long as any other human without treatment

And this we disagree on.&nbsp; If He had the authority to heal others He had the authority to heal Himself.&nbsp; On the cross people threw those words at Him.&nbsp; He could have delivered Himself but it would not have fulfilled His reason for being there.&nbsp; I seriously doubt if Jesus cut himself with a nail and then went arount healing everyone else but not himself.&nbsp;

Originally posted by LouisBooth

Then that is not rich by any standard of the day. Again, we see the disciples weren't rich at all, for all the things they did that is pretty poor.

I'm not saying they were extremely rich.&nbsp; I'm saying that there was enough to "at least" feed 13 men and the families of those who had families.&nbsp; We know that Peter had a family and a house because Jesus healed Peter's mother-in-law at Peter's house.&nbsp; I don't see destitution anywhere.&nbsp;

Louis, I've given you scripture and good reasoning.&nbsp; I cannot force you to see what you don't want to see.

Originally posted by LouisBooth

But it shows how drying you read scripture.

Your comment shows nothing but misunderstanding of what I'm saying.&nbsp; It seems, that I am adding more excitement to the scripture than you are.&nbsp; All other scripture where the deciples were really worried it plainly says so.&nbsp;

It seems that wherever you see questioning you compare that with worry.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; Could it be that it's because you worry and question God, and you believe that since that's the way you are, they must have been that way too?&nbsp;

Jesus told them repeatadly to "do not worry", or said "o ye of little faith". But in this case He did not.&nbsp; There is no biblical&nbsp;written reason to believe they were worried.

Originally posted by LouisBooth

YOu can't say that based on the actual text. Why don't you look up the greek.

Go ahead Louis, tell me what the Greek says.&nbsp; I did look it up and none of the words convey the emotion of "worry".

Originally posted by LouisBooth

Then you're not of the school of physical blessings We get the things we work for. We do not get it handed to us, For God is not a meal ticket.

If you're saying we reap what we sow, then I agree with you wholly.&nbsp; But I have had God just hand me lot's of things.&nbsp; Including meals.&nbsp; &nbsp; I have found that He likes to give . . .just because.

 

[LouisBooth]

"Matt 2:11 "

You know in most probabilty it was not the best dwelling considering he wasn't rich at all.

"And this we disagree on. "

And do you think he used his divine "powers" fiviously in order that me might deny how to live and be a human?

"I seriously doubt if Jesus cut himself with a nail and then went arount healing everyone else but not himself. "

If this is so, then why not the gash in his side? Or the cuts on his head, or when he was beaten?

"I'm saying that there was enough to "at least" feed 13 men and the families of those who had families"

Noo..you specifically said they had a lot of money indicated by having a treasuer. Are taking those statements back?

"It seems, that I am adding more excitement to the scripture than you are. All other scripture where the deciples were really worried it plainly says so. "

No, it doesn't. The context shows they were worried and that they NEVER believed christ was going to do miricles. Look at the passage about him calming the storm. If they were always excited as you say, they would have had faith, which Jesus says they do not. The diciples at this point were quite worried about where they were going to find the money or food.

"Why? Could it be that it's because you worry and question God, and you believe that since that's the way you are, they must have been that way too? "

Not at all. I am not worried about it at all. If you truely knew me you would know I am one of the people that worries the LEAST about these things.

"Go ahead Louis, tell me what the Greek says. "

Did you look it up?

"I have found that He likes to give . . .just because"

I agree, but he is not a meal ticket. He doesn't make you rich or give you things just because you want them. He gives you things because you need them. God is more concerned about your spiritual welfare and would rather see your dirty poor (ie the disciples) and rich spiritually then the other way around.

 

[Caedmon]

"Give us this day our daily bread"...

Or is it...

"Give us this day our daily Porsche"

I'm God's child. I want a Porsche. I'm praying for a Porsche. I have faith God can give me a Porsche. Where is it?