Faith: How does a person get it

[All Glory To God]

I disagree, the scriptures seem to answer my thought process.

That's fine but you did say this ''Now when it comes to being saved by having faith it is different all together because a faith can be formed with God in my estimation without hearing the word of God'' and the point being if it is possible to be saved without hearing the Gospel,it shows human effort is not always necessary for salvation. So The gospel can't be a manual to save everyone.

 

[mlepfitjw]

Yes.

God is able to save people without them hearing the gospel, though it is because those people have never once heard of the gospel or anything about it. It's very well possible that God can write on the hearts and minds of people, seeking something much higher than themselves. Those are probably some of the most profound circumstances.

Maybe they had visions in their dreams, or something.

It's believe that with men it is impossible to be saved, though with God all things are possible.

• Matthew 19:25 The disciples were astounded. “Then who in the world can be saved?” they asked. 26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

The Gospel message is always about the good news that Yeshua Christ came and taught about praying for your enemies, doing good to them, it talks about the spirit that is given by God, stories about faith, stories about the world in its corruption can become so overbearing that it can drown you, about how we are all going to be resurrected after this life (and how we can be resurrected into a new creation, and renewing of our mind, by being born-again) when we start having faith.

It is believed that God can work in and through any individuals life for them to find God, because it's made plain for people to understand that - even if they have no the gospel.

Maybe all the person has is just Faith, and love with out ever hearing gospel, and trust in God and that he would make things right and they were changed from a person they once were. Aside from that it seems that people being raised may have been taught ways and they teach their children the same thing.

A lot of factors in life, and in experience and what is see in the eyes of an individual.

With God all things are possible.

AGTG: So The gospel can't be a manual to save everyone.

Yeshua Christ has saved everyone from their sin already. Before me or you even were born, it was done paid for before we even realized it and the message actually came into our lives.

Nice discussion, it is best to leave it here at this point, I believe. Thought it would be helpful to expound on what is being said by my remarks.

May the grace, peace, mercy abound in you and your families life, from God our Father, and the Lord Yeshua/Jesus Christ.

 

[All Glory To God]

Yes.

God is able to save people without them hearing the gospel, though it is because those people have never once heard of the gospel or anything about it. It's very well possible that God can write on the hearts and minds of people, seeking something much higher than themselves. Those are probably some of the most profound circumstances.

Maybe they had visions in their dreams, or something.

It's believe that with men it is impossible to be saved, though with God all things are possible.

• Matthew 19:25 The disciples were astounded. “Then who in the world can be saved?” they asked. 26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

The Gospel message is always about the good news that Yeshua Christ came and taught about praying for your enemies, doing good to them, it talks about the spirit that is given by God, stories about faith, stories about the world in its corruption can become so overbearing that it can drown you, about how we are all going to be resurrected after this life (and how we can be resurrected into a new creation, and renewing of our mind, by being born-again) when we start having faith.

It is believed that God can work in and through any individuals life for them to find God, because it's made plain for people to understand that - even if they have no the gospel.

Maybe all the person has is just Faith, and love with out ever hearing gospel, and trust in God and that he would make things right and they were changed from a person they once were. Aside from that it seems that people being raised may have been taught ways and they teach their children the same thing.

A lot of factors in life, and in experience and what is see in the eyes of an individual.

With God all things are possible.

AGTG: So The gospel can't be a manual to save everyone.

Yeshua Christ has saved everyone from their sin already. Before me or you even were born, it was done paid for before we even realized it and the message actually came into our lives.

Nice discussion, it is best to leave it here at this point, I believe. Thought it would be helpful to expound on what is being said by my remarks.

May the grace, peace, mercy abound in you and your families life, from God our Father, and the Lord Yeshua/Jesus Christ.

Well I used to believe a lot of what you say here so I'm not mad at you for saying it and I still think anyone who has Christ as their savior is saved.

We disagree on some but that's no problem. Good talk.