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[TheOutsider]

One last point, my aversion to evolution includes the way it is presented or NOT. I am sure there are those on this forum that can present it without arrogance, judgment or insult. If not I am very capable of finding it out on my own.

Several of us did that when you first got here. If I remember correctly, you then called me a lying Atheist. Maybe you should try practicing what you preach.

 

[Lilandra]

I choose....No, not interested!

It says in Proverbs that like a dog returns to its own vomit, a fool will return to his own folly.

I am not sure who that fits more aptly, us for continuously trying to reason with you or you for rejecting reason in favor of continuued ignorance of science.

 

[Aron-Ra]

If you're wrong, wouldn't you want to know it? Would you rather continue to be wrong? Or would you rather correct errors in your perception so your perspective improve?

I choose....No, not interested!

That's what I thought. That's why I say that creationism is not like the truth and does not like the truth.

 

[Inan3]

Several of us did that when you first got here. If I remember correctly, you then called me a lying Atheist. Maybe you should try practicing what you preach.

Well seeings so many of my posts have been grossly misinterpreted, I would have to see that post if you do not mind.

 

[Inan3]

It says in Proverbs that like a dog returns to its own vomit, a fool will return to his own folly.

I am not sure who that fits more aptly, us for continuously trying to reason with you or you for rejecting reason in favor of continuued ignorance of science.

It also, says in Proverbs the fool has said in his heart there is no God.

I know that does not fit me.

 

[Nathan Poe]

It also, says in Proverbs the fool has said in his heart there is no God.

I know that does not fit me.

So what? Just as all poodles are dogs, but not all dogs are poodles, not every fool says there is no God.

Alas, the Bible has a Book of Proverbs, but not a Book of Logic.

 

[NailsII]

It also, says in Proverbs the fool has said in his heart there is no God.

To paraphrase Christopher hitchings:
There are many more fools who have god in their hearts than fools that have not.

 

[Inan3]

So what? Just as all poodles are dogs, but not all dogs are poodles, not every fool says there is no God.

Alas, the Bible has a Book of Proverbs, but not a Book of Logic.

The point is ... it's folly not to believe in your Creator.

 

[dukeofhazzard]

Well seeings so many of my posts have been grossly misinterpreted, I would have to see that post if you do not mind.

I'm sure TO can find the post for you, but I remember the same thing... I think it may have been in the "I Am A Scientist" thread...

 

[Inan3]

To paraphrase Christopher hitchings:
There are many more fools who have god in their hearts than fools that have not.

Well let me see, God's Word or Christopher (nobody) Hitchings word .... What shall I believe? What shall I base my life on? Hmmmm?


You get the point.

 

[thaumaturgy]

The point is ... it's folly not to believe in your Creator.

I think Poe's comment was absolutely brilliant.

But more to your comment: why is it folly to not believe in a creator?

Since this is a science board let's run with this for a sec.

If I am doing my job in science, what possible good would it do for any of my experiments to be mindful there is a "creator"?

Will it matter how I pray as to how the chemical reaction will go? If that is the case then doesn't science just "cease to exist"? I mean, if it is a known fact that chemical A + chemical B make 97% Chemical C and 3% chemical D, but it might not if God chooses to make it not work that way, then indeed we simply can never know if A+B==C+D.

It is simply just "random chance" based on God's desires that day or that second.

So you are left in the dark. That's fine. If God exists and he does that (because if he exists then he most assuredly CAN do that), then we can have absolutely no level, no matter how small, of assurance of anything in science.

I hope you see what I'm saying here. So many Creationists seem to want to forcefit God into science so I have to think they haven't thought through all the potential ramifications of this particular thought

 

[Inan3]

I'm sure TO can find the post for you, but I remember the same thing... I think it may have been in the "I Am A Scientist" thread...

Well, isn't that special!

 

[Aron-Ra]

Well let me see, God's Word or Christopher (nobody) Hitchings word .... What shall I believe? What shall I base my life on? Hmmmm?


You get the point.

Yes, here we have the single biggest lie in all of creationism; that sacred scriptures were written by a god rather than by the actual human authors.

All the world’s supposedly “holy” scriptures describe themselves as being written by men, not gods; men who were “moved by” (inspired) by their favorite gods, or taking dictation from angels, but they were written by mere imperfect mortals none the less; not by angels, and certainly not by gods.

Leading theologians admit that all of the scriptures of any religion were written by human hands and were subject to the interpretations, impressions and perspectives of their primitive and often prejudiced and politically-motivated authors, and they cite this as the explanation behind many of the contradictions in those books, especially those in the Bible. This is also why so much of these works can be shown to be dead wrong about damned-near everything back-to-front. If the Bible had been written by a supreme being, then it wouldn’t contain the mistakes that it does. If it was written by a truly superior being, and meant to be read as literal history, then the Bible wouldn’t contain anything that it does.

There are as many divisions within Christianity as there non-Christian religions. If you take all the collective denominations of Christianity, including Jehova’s Witnesses, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, and Methodists, along with all the weird little cults like the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints, Christian Identity, the Potter’s House, and Branch Davidians, and count ‘em all as though they were one group, (which many of them would hotly contest) you’d still only have about a third or less of the world population. Non-religious people are a small minority anywhere you look. So there are at least twice as many people who believe in one or more non-Christian gods than there are those who believe in Jesus. Roughly half of all Christians are Catholics, and that denomination is in a period of decline. There are already well more than a billion Muslims. Islam is the fastest growing religion, and is expected to the dominant religion on earth in less than fifty years. But if Catholics or Mormons or Moonies aren’t “true” Christians, then we’d only have even smaller groups like Baptists, the largest free church denomination, with less than 45 million members in the whole world, to compare to eight hundred million Hindus, a truly ancient religion with no regard for anything Biblical at all.

If there really is a god, a single god behind all creation, then it should be the same god who is ultimately the inspiration behind every religion. Surely that one god wouldn’t reveal itself only to certain cultures and allow everyone else in the world to make up other gods out of whole cloth. If there is a god, then surely every spiritually enlightened and visionary holy man from any nation or tribe should be able to sense it. And their scribes would write the scrolls seeking to make sense of it –(however feeble an attempt that may be). Perhaps that’s why there are so many different religions; because no man can know the true state of God. So if anyone's god exists at all, then every religion could be partially true, but no religion would be completely true.

 

[Inan3]

I think Poe's comment was absolutely brilliant.

Absolutely brilliant???? Oh come on. It was cute but not brilliant. Any fool could have said it. Now don't go reporting me TMT or NP. I'm not saying NP is a fool anymore than he was saying I was a fool by because I believe there is a God.

But more to your comment: why is it folly to not believe in a creator?

Once again, you leave half of what the post was meaning out. I was pointing out what was meant by the Proverb.

Well, number one reason is because God says so and secondly, they miss out on the benefits that He has for them. Those two cover most of the reasons.

Since this is a science board let's run with this for a sec.

If I am doing my job in science, what possible good would it do for any of my experiments to be mindful there is a "creator"?

Well just like most jobs it's not all that relevent. One could do their experiments without it. But to ones spiritual state and life it is most benefitial. Just a note here, no one is advocating that the scriptures were written for science only. The scriptures cover a far greater scope than science. Life covers a far greater scope than science.

Will it matter how I pray as to how the chemical reaction will go? If that is the case then doesn't science just "cease to exist"? I mean, if it is a known fact that chemical A + chemical B make 97% Chemical C and 3% chemical D, but it might not if God chooses to make it not work that way, then indeed we simply can never know if A+B==C+D.

No, but your prayers could help you to get more understanding of how to do certain things within an experiment. After all, "if it is a known fact that chemical A + chemical B make 97% Chemical C and 3% chemical D" then God would know that because HE made it that way. But if there is something that is NOT a known fact, and I assume that is why you are doing experiments...to find out, then God could give you help and understanding on what to do.

It is simply just "random chance" based on God's desires that day or that second.

God would never do it that way. He doesn't have to. He knows each outcome.

So you are left in the dark. That's fine. If God exists and he does that (because if he exists then he most assuredly CAN do that), then we can have absolutely no level, no matter how small, of assurance of anything in science.

A person who trusts in God is never left in the dark. But I suppose this reasoning is a stab at your being faceteous about the subject.

I hope you see what I'm saying here. So many Creationists seem to want to force fit God into science so I have to think they haven't thought through all the potential ramifications of this particular thought

That's where you have it backward. It is evolutionists that want to "force fit" God out of everything and Creationists know that to do so would be a gross error and misjustice of truth. God is greater and more infinite than all the science that is, ever has been or ever will be.

 

[TheOutsider]

I'm sure TO can find the post for you, but I remember the same thing... I think it may have been in the "I Am A Scientist" thread...

Actually, it was in the "Creation Science: Knowlageable YEC Christians show me the way" thread. And I would like to correct myself and point out that Inan3 did not call me an atheist. She said that I was "using science to back up (my) lies." And that my religious naturalistic bias was getting in the way. And that I've never looked at the "evidence" of Intelligent Design.

But she didn't call me an atheist.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Well let me see, God's Word or Christopher (nobody) Hitchings word .... What shall I believe? What shall I base my life on? Hmmmm?


You get the point.

The Word of God, naturally. However, such a scenario does not exist. What we instead have is "The alleged Word of God, verses the known Word of Man". And when this alleged Word is internally inconsistent and promotes all major forms of prejudice (sexism, racism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc), I'm thinking the Word of Man is more probable.
Especially since it correlates with reality.

 

[TheOutsider]

That's where you have it backward. It is evolutionists that want to "force fit" God out of everything and Creationists know that to do so would be a gross error and misjustice of truth.

You've been told time and time again that this isn't true. Science is agnostic. There is no need to invoke God to understand anything about the natural world. Plus you are still using that fallacy that all evolutionists are evil atheists. There are millions of Christians that have absolutely no problem with TOE. Oh wait, that's right. They aren't True Christians because they don't believe exactly the same thing as you.

 

[Loudmouth]

A person who trusts in God is never left in the dark.

Actually, time and time again biblical literalists have been shown to be "in the dark" when it comes to reality. For instance, geocentrism is based on a literal reading of scripture. A trust in God seems to lead to conclusions which are diametrically opposed to reality. If you cling to this "trust in God" in this way it can only lead to self enforced ignorance of the reality around you.

And why even do experiments when you already have the answers? If "God did it" then why even have scientists?

 

[dukeofhazzard]

Actually, it was in the "Creation Science: Knowlageable YEC Christians show me the way" thread. And I would like to correct myself and point out that Inan3 did not call me an atheist. She said that I was "using science to back up (my) lies." And that my religious naturalistic bias was getting in the way. And that I've never looked at the "evidence" of Intelligent Design.

But she didn't call me an atheist.

My mistake on the thread... there were several that contained similar accusations against several different people . (and I'm not trying to make a snide remark about you, Inan3, this was just simply what many of those posts sounded like to me).

At least she didn't call you an athiest!!

 

[Nathan Poe]

The point is ... it's folly not to believe in your Creator.

Far worse folly to believe in the wrong creator.

Repent and accept Iggy the Magic Elf into your heart before it's too late!