Extinction Level Event (ELE)

[Jase]

So, I'd like to discuss some issues with the Creationism theory specifically surrounding the catastrophies that have occurred on this planet. Our resident YECs claim the Earth is only 6000 years old, and the only ELE was the global flood.

How does one account for the 5 Mass extinctions we've had over the past 540 million years, and numerous smaller extinctions?

The Permian extinction being the worst, and wiping out 96% of all marine life and 70% of all land life.

While many causes contributed to these extinctions, there is no way to explain them in light of a YEC scenario. For example, impact events.

How did Noah's Ark survive hits by major asteroids? A sizable asteroid travels to earth at 40,000 miles per hour (58 times the speed of sound). It produces a heat wave 3 times the temperature of the surface of the sun. At impact, it causes a wave of heat and wind travelling at 2000 miles per hour, and causes Megatsunamis hundreds if not over a thousand feet high, moving at hundreds of miles per hour. It also throws trillions of tons of dust in the atmosphere, darkening the sun light, and dropping the earth's temperature.

How exactly would Noah survive multiple extinction level events? And why did God repopulate the Earth at least 5 times?

 

[Hespera]

You do know that to have a theory you need some data, so there really is no creation theory.

there was no noahs ark either so its hard to see where to go with this.

 

[VehementiDominus]

So, I'd like to discuss some issues with the Creationism theory specifically surrounding the catastrophies that have occurred on this planet. Our resident YECs claim the Earth is only 6000 years old, and the only ELE was the global flood.

How does one account for the 5 Mass extinctions we've had over the past 540 million years, and numerous smaller extinctions?

The Permian extinction being the worst, and wiping out 96% of all marine life and 70% of all land life.

While many causes contributed to these extinctions, there is no way to explain them in light of a YEC scenario. For example, impact events.

How did Noah's Ark survive hits by major asteroids? A sizable asteroid travels to earth at 40,000 miles per hour (58 times the speed of sound). It produces a heat wave 3 times the temperature of the surface of the sun. At impact, it causes a wave of heat and wind travelling at 2000 miles per hour, and causes Megatsunamis hundreds if not over a thousand feet high, moving at hundreds of miles per hour. It also throws trillions of tons of dust in the atmosphere, darkening the sun light, and dropping the earth's temperature.

How exactly would Noah survive multiple extinction level events? And why did God repopulate the Earth at least 5 times?

Oh! Oh! Oh! Let me answer this one!

"It was a miracle. derpa derp."

 

[AV1611VET]

So, I'd like to discuss some issues with the Creationism theory specifically surrounding the catastrophies that have occurred on this planet.

I'll bet you do -- here's your Permian-Triassic extinction paradigm:

Researchers have variously suggested that there were from one to three distinct pulses, or phases, of extinction. There are several proposed mechanisms for the extinctions; the earlier phase was likely due to gradual environmental change, while the latter phase has been argued to be due to a catastrophic event.

SOURCE

In other words, it came in three phases -- and came both suddenly and over a long period of time.

And you want YECs to respond to this?

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh! Oh! Oh! Let me answer this one!

"It was a miracle. derpa derp."

The Bible gives the year, the month, the day, Who did it, why it was done, how it was done, where it was done, specific names, places and conversations, and even who the eyewitnesses were.

Compare that to my response to the OP, and there's no comparison.

Your science is vague, myopic and interpretive.

 

[VehementiDominus]

I'll bet you do -- here's your Permian-Triassic extinction paradigm:
SOURCE

In other words, it came in three phases -- and came both suddenly and over a long period of time.

And you want YECs to respond to this?

You're reading it wrong.

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I'm not sure exactly what's so difficult to understand about that...

I'm unsure as to whether or not this is you not being able to read properly, or you deliberately choosing not to read it properly.

 

[Doveaman]

So, I'd like to discuss some issues with the Creationism theory specifically surrounding the catastrophies that have occurred on this planet. Our resident YECs claim the Earth is only 6000 years old, and the only ELE was the global flood.

How does one account for the 5 Mass extinctions we've had over the past 540 million years, and numerous smaller extinctions?

The Permian extinction being the worst, and wiping out 96% of all marine life and 70% of all land life.

While many causes contributed to these extinctions, there is no way to explain them in light of a YEC scenario. For example, impact events.

How did Noah's Ark survive hits by major asteroids? A sizable asteroid travels to earth at 40,000 miles per hour (58 times the speed of sound). It produces a heat wave 3 times the temperature of the surface of the sun. At impact, it causes a wave of heat and wind travelling at 2000 miles per hour, and causes Megatsunamis hundreds if not over a thousand feet high, moving at hundreds of miles per hour. It also throws trillions of tons of dust in the atmosphere, darkening the sun light, and dropping the earth's temperature.

This sounds like the many catastrophic events that occurred just before the re-creation events in Genesis 1. Interesting.

At impact, it causes a wave of heat and wind travelling at 2000 miles per hour, and causes Megatsunamis hundreds if not over a thousand feet high, moving at hundreds of miles per hour.

Maybe the right size impacts produced the right size Mega-tsunamis that caused the global flood.

 

[VehementiDominus]

The Bible gives the year, the month, the day, Who did it, why it was done, how it was done, where it was done, specific names, places and conversations, and even who the eyewitnesses were.

Compare that to my response to the OP, and there's no comparison.

Your science is vague, myopic and interpretive.

"The Bible gives..."

I don't care what the Bible gives, it's just a book.

What does the hard evidence tell us?

 

[AV1611VET]

"The Bible gives..."

I don't care what the Bible gives, it's just a book.

What does the hard evidence tell us?

That there are five different theories as to ... oh, wait ... wrong thread.

Sorry.

 

[VehementiDominus]

That there are five different theories as to ... oh, wait ... wrong thread.

Sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csJJIp7jCYA

Here's some music to help you dance around the question better, you're stumbling all over the place.

 

[Greg1234]

"The Bible gives..."

I don't care what the Bible gives,

So what?

What does the hard evidence tell us?

Darwinism never happened.

 

[VehementiDominus]

So what?

So his entire argument was dependant on what the Bible says.

If I was arguing for the existence of the Force, and my only argument started with "Star Wars says...", you'd think me pretty stupid, wouldn't you?

Darwinism never happened.

Evidence disagrees with you on that one.

 

[Doveaman]

"The Bible gives..."

I don't care what the Bible gives, it's just a book.

What does the hard evidence tell us?

You reject the hard evidence only to ask back for it.

Can't you make up your mind or something?

 

[Greg1234]

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So his entire argument was dependant on what the Bible says.

If I was arguing for the existence of the Force, and my only argument started with "Star Wars says...", you'd think me pretty stupid, wouldn't you?

No, comparing a book on astronomy to star wars because you think the sun is in the atmosphere is irrelevant. Your materialism isnt required. Now, where does chance build a man?

Evidence disagrees with you on that one.

What evidence?

 

[Doveaman]

So his entire argument was dependant on what the Bible says.

So?

If I was arguing for the existence of the Force, and my only argument started with "Star Wars says...", you'd think me pretty stupid, wouldn't you?

Yep.

But if God said Star Wars was true I wouldn't think you are stupid.

 

[VehementiDominus]

You reject the hard evidence only to ask back for it.

Can't you make up your mind or something?

The Bible is no more hard evidence for the flood than The Fellowship of the Ring is hard evidence that the Third War of the Ring was an actual, historical event.

 

[VehementiDominus]

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No, comparing a book on astronomy to star wars because you think the sun is in the atmosphere is irrelevant. Your materialism isnt required. Now, where does chance build a man?

What in the name of the Emperor are you even on about?

What evidence?

ERV markers, mtDNA, chromosomal fusion, nylonase producing flavobacterium, the entire fossil record, the fact that speciation has been observed... hang on, I'm repeating myself for like... the 6th time here.

 

[VehementiDominus]

So?

So his argument is moot because physical evidence evidence supercedes a book written over 3000 years ago.

When evidence contradicts a book of stories told by bronze age barbarians, I'm pretty sure the evidence takes precidence.

Yep.

But if God said Star Wars was true I wouldn't think you are stupid.

And if the Force said God was real I wouldn't think you were stupid.

 

[Greg1234]

What in the name of the Emperor are you even on about?

Once again, the threshold.

ERV markers,

Adaptation is limited so I don't find anything there.

mtDNA,

Same

chromosomal fusion,

Same

nylonase producing flavobacterium,

Why Scientists Should NOT Dismiss Intelligent Design | Uncommon Descent

the entire fossil record,

Same

the fact that speciation has been observed...

Same

hang on, I'm repeating myself for like... the 6th time here.

Why would you even come here with them in the first place?

 

[VehementiDominus]

Adaptation is limited so I don't find anything there.

Then tell me; what's the limiting factor?

Is this limiting factor demonstrably accurate?

And this thread is about the flood, why did you even bring up "darwinism" in the first place?

Why Scientists Should NOT Dismiss Intelligent Design | Uncommon Descent

More Creationist propaganda.

I can tell instantly that it is, because it has a picture of a flagellum as the header, as if to say "Look, irriducable complexity! ".

Not to mention the title of the site itself.

YouTube - ‪Irreducible Complexity (bacterial flagellum) debunked‬‏

It's not worth my time to read, they haven't even tried. They're still using the irriducable complexity argument.