Extinction Level Event (ELE)

[Doveaman]

The Bible is no more hard evidence for the flood than The Fellowship of the Ring is hard evidence that the Third War of the Ring was an actual, historical event.

The Bible is hard evidence because it was inspired by a God who cannot lie.

So his argument is moot because physical evidence evidence supercedes a book written over 3000 years ago.

Not if the book is based on facts.

When evidence contradicts a book of stories told by bronze age barbarians, I'm pretty sure the evidence takes precidence.

Not if the book is based on facts.

And if the Force said God was real I wouldn't think you were stupid.

That’s because the Force would be right.

 

[VehementiDominus]

The Bible is hard evidence because it was inspired by a God who cannot lie.

But the only way you know that is from the book itself.

It's entirely self-contained, and highly circular reasoning.

"The Bible is evidence of God, because the Bible says it was inspired by God, which the Bible is evidence of because it was inspired by God, which the Bible is evidence of because...".

Don't you see how painfully flawed that is?

There's nothing else to support it, and any time it contradicts the evidence; "MIRACLE!". Doesn't that raise alarm bells at all? Doesn't that make you even slightly question the validity of this book?

Not if the book is based on facts.

Not if the book is based on facts.

And what evidence is there to suggest that it is based on facts?

 

[Hespera]

But the only way you know that is from the book itself.

It's entirely self-contained, and highly circular reasoning.

"The Bible is evidence of God, because the Bible says it was inspired by God, which the Bible is evidence of because it was inspired by God, which the Bible is evidence of because...".

Don't you see how painfully flawed that is?

There's nothing else to support it, and any time it contradicts the evidence; "MIRACLE!". Doesn't that raise alarm bells at all? Doesn't that make you even slightly question the validity of this book?



And what evidence is there to suggest that it is based on facts?

it is based on so many different things, some few of which may have been facts when they started, it would be very hard to say in less than a long book what the bible is actually based on.

 

[Exial]

But the only way you know that is from the book itself.

It's entirely self-contained, and highly circular reasoning.

"The Bible is evidence of God, because the Bible says it was inspired by God, which the Bible is evidence of because it was inspired by God, which the Bible is evidence of because...".

Don't you see how painfully flawed that is?

There's nothing else to support it, and any time it contradicts the evidence; "MIRACLE!". Doesn't that raise alarm bells at all? Doesn't that make you even slightly question the validity of this book?



And what evidence is there to suggest that it is based on facts?

You probably already know but... your wasting your time. These guys (doveman, AV, Greg, Dad) have been lectured to for I can only guess a few years. They will not change their mind on their holy book, they are as zealous as the people who flew planes into the twin towers.

 

[AV1611VET]

They will not change their mind on their holy book, they are as zealous as the people who flew planes into the twin towers.

That's right --

 

[Hespera]

The Bible is hard evidence because it was inspired by a God who cannot lie.
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so is the book of mormon.

 

[AV1611VET]

so is the book of mormon.

Nope.

 

[VehementiDominus]

Nope.

Yep.

And the Qu'ran.

 

[VehementiDominus]

You probably already know but... your wasting your time. These guys (doveman, AV, Greg, Dad) have been lectured to for I can only guess a few years. They will not change their mind on their holy book, they are as zealous as the people who flew planes into the twin towers.

Yeah, I gathered they were a bit um... to put it lightly, a bit derp. Lights are on but no one's home kinda thing.

Still, it's funny, it's not as if the whole world's like them. If it was, then we'd have a problem - we'd still be be living in the dark ages, but we'd be getting progressively worse instead of bettering ourselves as a species.

Thankfully their pre-renaissance style of thinking is dying out, even if only slowly.

 

[VehementiDominus]

That's right --

If you believed God asked you to fly the planes into the towers and kill all those people, would you?

 

[AV1611VET]

If you believed God asked you to fly the planes into the towers and kill all those people, would you?

Would you?

 

[VehementiDominus]

Would you?

No, I wouldn't care if God existed, and he asked me to. I'd refuse, because I know killing that many people is wrong.

I'm still waiting for your answer.

 

[Hespera]

any chance this is about extinction and not avtheo redo?

 

[AV1611VET]

No, I wouldn't care if God existed, and he asked me to. I'd refuse, because I know killing that many people is wrong.

I'm still waiting for your answer.

No -- if your god asked me to do anything, I would walk away.

 

[VehementiDominus]

No -- if your god asked me to do anything, I would walk away.

Firstly I don't have a god.

Secondly I'm talking about your God. Note the proper noun?

Stop evading and answer the question that I actually asked.

"If you believed God asked you to fly the planes into the towers and kill all those people, would you?"

It's a simple enough question.

Your God, Yahweh, your big cheese, your Don, comes down in a beam of light and asks you to fly a plane into the WTC and kill a whole load of people. Do you comply or do you refuse?

 

[AV1611VET]

Your God, Yahweh, your big cheese, your Don, comes down in a beam of light and asks you to fly a plane into the WTC and kill a whole load of people. Do you comply or do you refuse?

I'll refuse -- for doctrinal reasons.

(And Yahweh is not my God.)

 

[VehementiDominus]

I'll refuse -- for doctrinal reasons.

(And Yahweh is not my God.)

OK, then the God of the Bible.

You'd refuse a direct order from God?

 

[Doveaman]

Yep.

And the Qu'ran.

How would an atheist know this? You are being dishonest.

 

[Doveaman]

so is the book of mormon.

How would an atheist know this? You are being dishonest.

 

[Doveaman]

But the only way you know that is from the book itself.

No. I know it from God Himself.

It's entirely self-contained, and highly circular reasoning.

"The Bible is evidence of God, because the Bible says it was inspired by God, which the Bible is evidence of because it was inspired by God, which the Bible is evidence of because...".

Don't you see how painfully flawed that is?

The only pain I’m experiencing is from reading your pathetic response.

There's nothing else to support it, and any time it contradicts the evidence; "MIRACLE!". Doesn't that raise alarm bells at all? Doesn't that make you even slightly question the validity of this book?

Your problem is that you think it is just a book. That’s your problem, not mine.

And what evidence is there to suggest that it is based on facts?

Because God, who cannot lie, gave us His word that they are indeed facts.