Explosions in Brussels

[The_Laconic_Dead]

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

Keep telling yourself it's just a minority.

Reality is, the "Oreo's & anime" muslims are the minority.

 

[seashale76]

Aren't you Europeans the ones who think we Americans are strange for identifying with the birthplaces of our forefathers? Here in the U.S., I say that I'm Irish, but in Europe I was challenged by my friends even when I said "Irish-American."

There would seem to be some dissonance here, but perhaps you aren't one of the Europeans who would say that. Out of curiosity, how many generations would you consider when deporting people? Just the 1.5 and 2nd gen immigrants? Or more than that?

I have a friend with Russian parents that was born and raised in Germany. For whatever reason, she was a stateless person. She did not have citizenship in either Germany or Russia. She doesn't consider herself German as a consequence, though she does acknowledge that German culture has had a huge effect on her upbringing.

 

[expos4ever]

Huh? You advocate importing people who values are completely antithetical to the values of your society and culture?

You can't be serious

I am indeed serious. You are a Christian, right? Do you agree that we have a calling that is very demanding on us - to put the needs of others ahead of our own, sometimes including our own safety? This is a complicated issue; while I believe that polls do indeed that a disturbingly large fraction of Muslim agree to statements that we rightly find troubling, it is not clear how committed they are to such ideas. In short, I think our need to be compassionate to refugees from way may be the greater responsibility here. As you may know, here in Canada we have brought in 25,000 Syrian refugees. Obviously, there is a risk. But, I suggest, our moral responsibility to demonstrate compassion is probably the most important consideration. Please do not misunderstand me: I believe that, to the extent practicable, immigrants should be rigorously screened and those who meet a certain threshold of risk should not be admitted.

 

[Dan Bert]

This is not the fault of the USA ....This is the fault of Christians who have lost the protection of God. This is the fault of Nations who disregarded the wisdom of God. Europe is for the descendant of the Tribes of Israel...God did not give this land to the sons of Ishmael. (Arabs). God prophesied by Isaiah if that His people forsake repentance he will take their lands and give it to Others. He commanded us to multiply and replenish the earth. If the people had also obeyed this commandment the western Christian nations would not be in decline. The believers of the Book of Quran cannot live in harmony with Christians. To deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God is of the Spirit of the Anti-Christ. It is an abomination to allow those who carry the spirit of anti Christ to live among us. God gave them their land and it is in the Middle East.

Dan.

Thank you USA...for this terror wave you created over europe...

 

[PatrickT]

Aren't you Europeans the ones who think we Americans are strange for identifying with the birthplaces of our forefathers? Here in the U.S., I say that I'm Irish, but in Europe I was challenged by my friends even when I said "Irish-American."

There would seem to be some dissonance here, but perhaps you aren't one of the Europeans who would say that. Out of curiosity, how many generations would you consider when deporting people? Just the 1.5 and 2nd gen immigrants? Or more than that?

Anyone who has an oriental name.

 

[expos4ever]

Why not? If you accept the premise that these people come from cultures that are largely incompatible with Western cultures, and if you look at the fact that not only do these communities by and large not assimilate with the cultures of their new countries (as well as the fact that the social programs of those countries are buckling under the weight of all these new people), why would you not restrict immigration?

Good question, of course. I believe I gave at least part of an answer in my immediately preceding post. To expand: I think it is at least plausible that only a very small minority of Muslims are committed deeply to some of what I agree are very bad ideas that are disturbingly widely-held among Muslims. Accordingly, I think they may indeed "adapt" once here.

But let's remember: a huge percentage of Americans deny human-caused global warming and, if this belief gets realized in the form of policy, our world is screwed (it may already be too late). Should we deport them? Should we deny admittance to any person (refugee or not) who denies this important, scientifically established fact?

I will concede that this is a complex issue and the level of threat may be higher than I imagine. Life is complicated.

 

[expos4ever]

To deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God is of the Spirit of the Anti-Christ. It is an abomination to allow those who carry the spirit of anti Christ to live among us. God gave them their land and it is in the Middle East.

Yikes. Consider the parable of the Good Samaritan. He took a risk in helping the beaten man - he put his own self-interests behind those of the injured Jewish man. And, more to the point in this context, Jews and Samaritans hated each other. I suggest Jesus' point is clear: we need to risk to show love, even to our enemies. If thousands are fleeing a war, we need to help them, and if that involves some degree of risk I would like to think I am willing to accept that.

 

[PatrickT]

Yikes. Consider the parable of the Good Samaritan. He took a risk in helping the beaten man - he put his own self-interests behind those of the injured Jewish man. And, more to the point in this context, Jews and Samaritans hated each other. I suggest Jesus' point is clear: we need to risk to show love, even to our enemies. If thousands are fleeing a war, we need to help them, and if that involves some degree of risk I would like to think I am willing to accept that.

You have lost nothing yet. The risk you are taking is the risk of me to lose my family. And i´m not willing to take this risk.

 

[The_Laconic_Dead]

I am indeed serious. You are a Christian, right? Do you agree that we have a calling that is very demanding on us - to put the needs of others ahead of our own, sometimes including our own safety? This is a complicated issue; while I believe that polls do indeed that a disturbingly large fraction of Muslim agree to statements that we rightly find troubling, it is not clear how committed they are to such ideas. In short, I think our need to be compassionate to refugees from way may be the greater responsibility here. As you may know, here in Canada we have brought in 25,000 Syrian refugees. Obviously, there is a risk. But, I suggest, our moral responsibility to demonstrate compassion is probably the most important consideration. Please do not misunderstand me: I believe that, to the extent practicable, immigrants should be rigorously screened and those who meet a certain threshold of risk should not be admitted.

When it was just about weed, I liked your pm. Now, I just think he's a lunatic.

I compare this to a homeless man on the streets. You might give him a few bucks, a sandwich, maybe even 500$ to get room, clean up, get a suit, get a job.

What you don't do is put that guy in your car, take him home, put him up with your kids, and leave him there while you go to work only to find out after he's raped and murdered your children that the reason he was on the street in the first place is because he's a convicted rapist with mental illness who won't take his meds.

There's a difference between compassion and suicide. You have a duty to your family first. And we are not a theocracy. We don't ask ourselves what Jesus would do when it comes to dangerous people migrating to our country. He's God, we aren't.

We have to use our judgement. And if those muslims in any way espouse Sharia law in place of American law, those are the lunatics who need to stay right where they are.

 

[expos4ever]

You have lost nothing yet. The risk you are taking is the risk of me to lose my family. And i´m not willing to take this risk.

Fair enough - we each have the choice of balancing our own needs (and those of our family) against those of the broader world.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Are Muslims a separate species?

That's not the point. The point is that this man in question showed himself not to be "a European who happens to be of Arab descent" but rather "an Arab who happens to be born in Europe". Yet still so many people want to make so much about where he happened to be born rather than who he happened to be born to.

 

[expos4ever]

We don't ask ourselves what Jesus would do when it comes to dangerous people migrating to our country. He's God, we aren't.

Well, we disagree on a matter of theology here. I believe we are called to emulate the self-sacrificial nature of Jesus. Again, though, it is not at all clear to me that this danger is that high. Yes, it is a tragedy when people die at the hands of terrorists. But there are many things that are much more dangerous - cigarettes and cheeseburgers to name just two.

 

[PatrickT]

Fair enough - we each have the choice of balancing our own needs (and those of our family) against those of the broader world.

What we need now is that the boarder fence in Indomeni holds. Noone who is there shall pass. Their fate is totally irrelevant. I can´t help them and i dont want help them.

But that can only be a part time solution. We need to tighten up security here.

I have questions and i demand answers. Abdelsalam was arersted in his own home street! 3 months after Paris! He was covered by friends and family but NONONE was arrested.

The 911 terrorists resided in the very same street. Why isn´t this place neutralized yet? Evry single house must be stormed. Nice words about standing united and bla bla dont bring the dead back.

 

[Sistrin]

I'm not understanding how this is supposed to be a critique.

Consider the reaction to Islamic terrorism committed against Western States beginning with September 11th, 2001. The reaction of the left, particularly the American left, is always the same. This was originally said by another, but it is true. On September 11th, 2001, liberals in this country finally found a religion they could embrace wholeheartedly. The pattern of reaction to events such as this hasn't changed since.

You're not addressing the issue.

Of course I am addressing the issue, just not in a manner you approve. In addition I have arguing this issue for quite some time here over a number of different threads. If you actually have any interest in my position simply research my post.

We are not angels. Our leader isn't God.

Your leader isn't God.

Sometimes, the United States is wrong. Sometimes, something is our fault.

Yeah, like when following a brutal attack against a group of journalist in Paris our leaders response is to have James Taylor sing a song. Or to go give a speech concerning where the first Mosque in America was built.

Do you believe the day will ever come when the American left will question its philosophy? As in gee, the left might think, after every Islamic terrorist attack we make speeches about not giving the terrorist what they want, and how wonderful and sacred the Islamic religion is, and refuse to denigrate the Islamic terrorist by calling them Islamic terrorist, and blame ourselves, and blame Conservatives, and talk about how Christians are really the greatest evil in the world, and talk about gun control, and wail against Islamophobia, and go to Mosque known to have housed terrorist to grovel, and none of it has ever worked. They keep attacking us. Perhaps we should consider some other approach?

The answer is no. This self-reflection will never occur. Instead, just as has already occurred following this evet, the left will continue to issue the exact same talking points and double down. Seriously, is no one concerned that while the Belgium authorities were picking up the pieces from this attack our President was watching a baseball game in Cuba, sitting next to Cuban President Raul Castro?

Obama does the wave with Castro at baseball game in Cuba


Of course not. Because Hope and Change.

Communist Cuban Tyrant Raul Castro to Lead Latin American Bloc

In an ironic but predictable development that has establishment analysts scratching their heads and human-rights organizations up in arms, brutal Communist dictator Raul Castro of Cuba just assumed the rotating presidency of a regional “integration” body that touts itself as being in favor of “democracy.” Upon assuming his new role, the Marxist tyrant, who leads one of the most oppressive regimes in the world and will now be charged with running the supranational CELAC bloc, celebrated what he called "a common vision for the Latin American and Caribbean homeland.”

Source: http://www.thenewamerican.com/world...nt-raul-castro-takes-over-latin-american-bloc

He didn't say that everything is always our fault.

Nor did I make that claim.

He was speaking specifically about this issue of the spread of radical Islamic terrorism.

The spread of radical Islamic terrorism is due to radical Islamic terrorism. You act as if Islamic terrorism has no history prior to January of 2001.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Each such attack adds more fuel and considering the amount of votes right wing parties get recently we sure will have a clean Europe soon.

Not as clean as we're going to be back here in the good old USA.

 

[The_Laconic_Dead]

Well, we disagree on a matter of theology here. I believe we are called to emulate the self-sacrificial nature of Jesus. Again, though, it is not at all clear to me that this danger is that high. Yes, it is a tragedy when people die at the hands of terrorists. But there are many things that are much more dangerous - cigarettes and cheeseburgers to name just two.

Then take them into your home. I consider that type of illogical, feel-good dogmatism to be on par with the pharasies legalist attitudes. It's self hating to help people who don't appreciate it.

How many yazidis has Canada taken in? If it's like America, it's virtually zero. And that's on our president, may he burn in hell.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Difference being what has Belgium or the EU done to the Muslim world to justify this? Besides take in millions of Muslim migrants to their own detriment.

Yeah. Exactly.

 

[The_Laconic_Dead]

Not as clean as we're going to be back here in the good old USA.

Germans invented industrial genocide, dude.

They'll have VW run the death camps, and sell the carbon credits from the carbon reduced by dead people not breathing, to pay the damages from their diesel emission scandal.

They are efficient...

 

[expos4ever]

And that's on our president, may he burn in hell.

Ok, I think that pretty much says it all about where you are coming from.....

 

[The_Laconic_Dead]

Ok, I think that pretty much says it all about where you are coming from.....

Considering he created isis and then sat on his hands while they started taking thousands of sex slaves, including children...Yea, may he burn in hell.