Explosions in Brussels

[seashale76]

No he didn´t. He grew up in his isolated society with no connection to anything remotely belgian or european.

There may be some truth to that statement.

 

[The Portuguese Baptist]

Is it really the easy thing to do? I want peace, security and stability for my country and europe. There is a specific group that causes great pain to our people. If the pressure gets high enough you get certain reactions.

That is no reason to discriminate against all Muslims. Most Muslims disagree with such attacks, and those who support them are only the minoritarian extremists. I hope you do realise this and take this into consideration.

 

[SummerMadness]

No he didn´t. He grew up in his isolated society with no connection to anything remotely belgian or european.

Did he eat waffles? j/k

There must be a reason for their isolation. I'm not saying that it was not self-imposed, but there are Muslim immigrants in many countries and their children, born in the country, are well-integrated into the society.

 

[Cearbhall]

he is an arab. He isn´t european.

If he was born in Brussels, he's European. He's of Arab descent.

No he didn´t. He grew up in his isolated society with no connection to anything remotely belgian or european.

Alright, let's see. Born in Brussels. Played soccer. Liked motorbikes. Smoked pot. Drank alcohol and went to gay bars. Worked for the company that manages public transportation in Brussels. Managed a bar. Wasn't radicalized until 2014.

Yep, nothing vaguely Western here. No contact with non-Muslims. Standard isolated, fundamentalist Islamic lifestyle.

 

[PatrickT]

That is no reason to discriminate against all Muslims. Most Muslims disagree with such attacks, and those who support them are only the minoritarian extremists. I hope you do realise this and take this into consideration.

The majority is irrelevant. You have a group of people where 10% of them bring great sadness to your people.

You can´t look into evryones head. You can´t take the 10% out of them...so you send all to their origin country and reduce their overall number in your society to 0. And you have peace

 

[Desk trauma]

You can´t look into evryones head. You can´t take the 10% out of them...so you send all to their origin country and reduce their overall number in your society to 0. And you have peace

What of the native born Muslims? How does that work?

 

[Cearbhall]

Is it really the easy thing to do? I want peace, security and stability for my country and europe. There is a specific group that causes great pain to our people. If the pressure gets high enough you get certain reactions.

Just one group? Man, I can't think of a single person I know who doesn't share a demographic marker with people who cause great pain. Not sure what I would do if I kicked them all out of my life. Maybe I'll just buy a few acres in the bum middle of nowhere, stick my own flag in the ground, and live off the grid as a hermit.

 

[PatrickT]

If he was born in Brussels, he's European. He's of Arab descent.

Alright, let's see. Born in Brussels. Played soccer. Liked motorbikes. Smoked pot. Drank alcohol and went to gay bars. Worked for the company that manages public transportation in Brussels. Managed a bar. Wasn't radicalized until 2014.

Yep, nothing vaguely Western here. No contact with non-Muslims. Standard isolated, fundamentalist Islamic lifestyle.

No, he is an arab, will always be an arab and will never be seen as european. You make one mistake, we are no immogration nations. We are nations based on thousands of years of history. You believe evryone can blend in but thats virtually impossible here for cultural reasons.

Beside that i find your laughing smiley out of taste regarding this. Did you ever lose someone close to you through something like this? I would never make a joke about 911 because i can see how much sadness and desperation this created in the USA...yet you offer me a smiley and a cynical comment.

You make me sick.

 

[Redac]

That is no reason to discriminate against all Muslims. Most Muslims disagree with such attacks, and those who support them are only the minoritarian extremists. I hope you do realise this and take this into consideration.

The number of Muslims around the world who support things we'd generally consider incompatible with Western liberal democratic values is not nearly as tiny as some people like to say. And, as Patrick states correctly, at some point the "peaceful majority" becomes irrelevant when discussing these things.

 

[Cearbhall]

You make me sick.

Hopefully I also make you think.

What? For someone to state the truth?

Truth? Nope, like I said, the Muslims I know are more interested in anime and Oreos. That's the truth I know. Personally, where I live, I'm much, much more likely to be attacked by a Christian man from the hood.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

If he was born in Brussels, he's European. He's of Arab descent.

If a dog has puppies in a stable, it doesn't make those puppies foals. This is certainly a case of birth trumping environment.

 

[PatrickT]

Hopefully I also make you think.

Truth? Nope, like I said, the Muslims I know are more interested in anime and Oreos. That's the truth I know.

No, you make me throw up. I find it distrubing that you use the death of people for your agenda.

 

[Desk trauma]

If a dog has puppies in a stable, it doesn't make those puppies foals. This is certainly a case of birth trumping environment.

Are Muslims a separate species?

 

[Redac]

Did he eat waffles? j/k

There must be a reason for their isolation. I'm not saying that it was not self-imposed, but there are Muslim immigrants in many countries and their children, born in the country, are well-integrated into the society.

I suspect that their isolation is at least partially self-imposed. I also suspect that it has something to do with the fact that, in a lot of these places, immigrants aren't generally encouraged to really assimilate with the local culture for whatever reason.

 

[Cearbhall]

You can´t look into evryones head. You can´t take the 10% out of them...so you send all to their origin country and reduce their overall number in your society to 0. And you have peace

Aren't you Europeans the ones who think we Americans are strange for identifying with the birthplaces of our forefathers? Here in the U.S., I say that I'm Irish, but in Europe I was challenged by my friends even when I said "Irish-American."

There would seem to be some dissonance here, but perhaps you aren't one of the Europeans who would say that. Out of curiosity, how many generations would you consider when deporting people? Just the 1.5 and 2nd gen immigrants? Or more than that?

 

[expos4ever]

The number of Muslims around the world who support things we'd generally consider incompatible with Western liberal democratic values is not nearly as tiny as some people like to say.

I believe you are right. But, of course, that leaves open the question of the best way to deal with this. In particular, it is not at all clear that we should restrict immigration even if this is so.

 

[The_Laconic_Dead]

Hopefully I also make you think.

Truth? Nope, like I said, the Muslims I know are more interested in anime and Oreos. That's the truth I know. Personally, where I live, I'm much, much more likely to be attacked by a Christian man from the hood.

Well, then those a fine, westernized muslims. If you lived in a Muslim majority country, you'd have different opinion.

 

[Cearbhall]

The majority is irrelevant. You have a group of people where 10% of them bring great sadness to your people.

1. Where does that statistic come from?
2. Who has the authority to decide the cut-off?
3. To which categories of demographics does this apply? Race? Ethnicity? Sex? Gender? Religion? Sexual orientation? Political party? Age? Zip code? SES? Education level? Veteran status?
4. Which crimes qualify? If more than 10% of German men say in a research study that they've had sex with a woman against her will (you'd be surprised what numbers crop up when you take out the words "rape" or "assault"), will you voluntarily leave the country as per your own policy? If more than 10% of Christian men admitted to cheating on their wives or abusing their partners or children, would you leave?

 

[The_Laconic_Dead]

I believe you are right. But, of course, that leaves open the question of the best way to deal with this. In particular, it is not at all clear that we should restrict immigration even if this is so.

Huh? You advocate importing people who values are completely antithetical to the values of your society and culture?

You can't be serious

 

[Redac]

I believe you are right. But, of course, that leaves open the question of the best way to deal with this. In particular, it is not at all clear that we should restrict immigration even if this is so.

Why not? If you accept the premise that these people come from cultures that are largely incompatible with Western cultures, and if you look at the fact that not only do these communities by and large not assimilate with the cultures of their new countries (as well as the fact that the social programs of those countries are buckling under the weight of all these new people), why would you not restrict immigration?