Explosions in Brussels

[Sistrin]

Patrick T is from Germany, and he's a conservative.

Who said:

Thank you USA...for this terror wave you created over europe...

Which is standard liberal/progressive nonsense, regardless of where one is from. Consider the responses already on record from our supposed leaders. From the New York Times, quote:

"President Obama, speaking in Havana, expressed solidarity with the victims in Brussels. “This is yet another reminder that the world must unite, we must be together, regardless of nationality or race or faith, in fighting against the scourge of terrorism,” he said. “We can and we will defeat those who threaten the safety and security of people around the world.”

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/23/world/europe/brussels-airport-explosions.html?_r=0

Solidarity. Everyone immediately post a picture of the flag of Belgium on their Facebook page. More damning however is the incessant refusal to call Islamic terrorism Islamic terrorism. "Those who threaten the safety and security of people around the world," that could be anybody the administration and the American left decides to claim qualifies.

Hillary Clinton, quote:

“We do not need to resort to torture, but they are going to need more help. We’ve got to work this through consistent with our values.”

Source: http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/22/h...completely-shut-down-our-borders-to-everyone/

For Clinton the first and foremost effort to make following the deaths of some thirty people at the hands of Islamic terrorist is to exploit it for political gain. Then make a lame comment about "our values."

Liberal/Progressive values will be to do nothing, except attack those who dare speak out against the very values on display, values Islamic terrorist clearly view as weakness. We are currently in the midst of yet another trip around the circle of liberal/progressive insanity.

Bring in as many refugees or immigrants as you can without reservation or any real attempt to determine who or what they are. Wait until after the attack and another group of people are dead. Deflect blame from the true perpetrators. Consider it a law enforcement problem. Level charges of Islamophobia against anyone who calls for any action against Islamic terrorism in response. Demand action against people who had nothing to do with the attacks. Repeat process.

The fact of the matter is that we are partly to blame for the creation of ISIS, and for some reason, Europeans seem to know this better than most Americans.

There is a segment of the American population which is decidedly accountable for the growth in boldness of ISIS, and it is specifically that segment which would watch John Kerry take James Taylor to Paris to sing "You've Got A Friend" in response to a terrorist attack and not realize what a truly stupid, ignorant, and dangerous act that represented. It is the segment of society which would listen to Hillary Clinton talk about our values and not immediately burst out laughing. It is the segment of society which believes you fight ISIS with vapid displays of solidarity as opposed to actually fighting ISIS.

 

[Nithavela]

Not the first attack, not the last.

 

[PatrickT]

I totally disagree with Islam (and religiously think its anti-christ and reading there version of the end times they could be the forces of the anti-christ in the end time) and find most Muslims to be one-sided hypocrites, who to put it in a nutshell follow an M.O of "its okay for us to persecute and control over non-Muslims, but never okay if they do it to us"

But to de-human them completely, when they're still human beings, just does not seem right, they themselves are the biggest victims of Islam, even though they can't see it.

and how are you any different if you can look at certain people suffering and dying and feel nothing, to those who follow ISIS?

I cant change how i feel.

 

[Cearbhall]

Who said:

"Thank you USA...for this terror wave you created over europe..."

Which is standard liberal/progressive nonsense, regardless of where one is from.

Bro, he's a conservative. There are European conservatives who blame the United States for things. Believe it or not, the political party lines aren't exactly the same in every country around the world. We're one country with our own unique system and party history. Saying something like this does not make him a liberal in a global context. You're reasoning in the wrong direction. Don't waste time trying to shove everyone into our two ridiculous, polarized boxes.

 

[mindlight]

More naivity.

And completely ignoring the fact that most of these people are european citizens, born and raised in our very countries. 2nd and even 3rd generation muslims.

Some of them aren't even descendends of immigrants, but native people who converted to Islam.

Again, you are extremely naive. And also reacting exactly like the terrorists want you to react.

Yes I was surprised here in Germany the other day by 2 Muslim evangelists one of whom had a White German Catholic background. Anyway we had a long interesting discussion about why the Koran could not be trusted. These guys were misguided about most things but they were not advocating terrorism.

 

[mindlight]

Both the metro system and Brussels airport were the target of apparent terrorist attacks. It's unclear as of now how many victims there are.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35869254

https://www.rt.com/news/336519-explosions-hit-brussels-airport/

So the target is the EU. I guess we are meant to get all hard hearted about Muslims fleeing from Salafist Jihaddi groups in Syria and Iraq etc and react with a wave of blind hatred. I felt really calm when I heard the news , its a tragedy but the surprise and passions associated with the earlier incidents are gone. The solution is simple - to eradicate these Salafist Jihaddi groups whever we may find them. But let us not condemn the innocent with the guilty. Not all Muslims are terrorists even if Islam is the main source of this evil in our generation. Trumps comments about NATO seem misguided at this time. This is a time when the nations of the world should stand together against a common enemy.

 

[mindlight]

I´m just realistic. I believe we will have something gigantic going on. There is already so much hate and i see it on myself. I feel nothing towards muslims anymore. No compassion. I saw their children in TV in those mud camps in Idomeni and felt nothing. No compassion, no mercy. I´m just cold towards them. And its strange but it wasn´t always like that. It developed.

And its evrywhere. My colleagues openly send anti muslim stuff through whats app.

I think the german philosopher Nietzsche talked about whats going on. He said:

"when you stare long enough into the darkness, the darkness stares right back into you".

A final solution against all Muslims!!! You are talking about 1.2 billion human beings. If your heart is full of darkness it is only because you chose it over the light.

 

[PatrickT]

A final solution against all Muslims!!! You are talking about 1.2 billion human beings. If your heart is full of darkness it is only because you chose it over the light.

reality is reality. There is nothing that can change reality

 

[mindlight]

reality is reality. There is nothing that can change reality

The ultimate reality is what is pure , true, noble and uplifting. Your vision is of Muslims gasping for their last painful breaths in gas chambers and broken and bleeding Muslim bodies strewn across the ruins of their homes. Darkness is not reality it is the destruction of what is real!

 

[Sistrin]

Bro, he's a conservative.

You are missing the point. I was addressing the nature that particular statement, not his personal political philosophy. Regardless of whether he is a conservative, that comment perfectly mirrors American liberal/progressive thinking. It is all America's fault.

The ultimate reality is what is pure, true, noble and uplifting. Your vision is of Muslims gasping for their last painful breaths in gas chambers and broken and bleeding Muslim bodies strewn across the ruins of their homes. Darkness is not reality it is the destruction of what is real!

Talk about projection. That isn't what he said. He was speaking to the impediments to empathy for a group of people who have allowed what is proclaimed as most dear to them, their religious identity, to be corrupted and promoted by psychopaths, combined with the primary response being it is all someone else's fault.

 

[SummerMadness]

Why are people talking about refugees? Weren't these attackers born in Paris and Brussels?

 

[PatrickT]

The ultimate reality is what is pure , true, noble and uplifting. Your vision is of Muslims gasping for their last painful breaths in gas chambers and broken and bleeding Muslim bodies strewn across the ruins of their homes. Darkness is not reality it is the destruction of what is real!

oh please...

 

[PatrickT]

Why are people talking about refugees? Weren't these attackers born in Paris and Brussels?

No, they came from a refugee camp in Ulm / germany

 

[SummerMadness]

No, they came from a refugee camp in Ulm / germany

Salah Abdeslam was born in Brussels.

 

[PatrickT]

Salah Abdeslam was born in Brussels.

he is an arab. He isn´t european.

 

[grandvizier1006]

I´m just realistic. I believe we will have something gigantic going on. There is already so much hate and i see it on myself. I feel nothing towards muslims anymore. No compassion. I saw their children in TV in those mud camps in Idomeni and felt nothing. No compassion, no mercy. I´m just cold towards them. And its strange but it wasn´t always like that. It developed.

And its evrywhere. My colleagues openly send anti muslim stuff through whats app.

I think the german philosopher Nietzsche talked about whats going on. He said:

"when you stare long enough into the darkness, the darkness stares right back into you".

I know that's the easy thing to do, but it still doesn't make it the right thing to do, even though I've been like that myself.

 

[SummerMadness]

he is an arab. He isn´t european.

That doesn't matter, he grew up in Belgian society.

 

[PatrickT]

That doesn't matter, he grew up in Belgian society.

No he didn´t. He grew up in his isolated society with no connection to anything remotely belgian or european.

 

[PatrickT]

I know that's the easy thing to do, but it still doesn't make it the right thing to do, even though I've been like that myself.

Is it really the easy thing to do? I want peace, security and stability for my country and europe. There is a specific group that causes great pain to our people. If the pressure gets high enough you get certain reactions.

 

[Cearbhall]

You are missing the point I was addressing the nature that particular statement, not his personal political philosophy. Regardless of whether he is a conservative, that comment perfectly mirrors American liberal/progressive thinking. It is all America's fault.

I'm not understanding how this is supposed to be a critique. You're not addressing the issue. We are not angels. Our leader isn't God. Sometimes, the United States is wrong. Sometimes, something is our fault. We're not special. Acknowledging reality is non-partisan.

He didn't say that everything is always our fault. He was speaking specifically about this issue of the spread of radical Islamic terrorism. If you would like to make an argument against that and demonstrate your knowledge on the topic, then fine. There's an argument to be made both ways. But you're not making any sort of argument by repeatedly saying how his rhetoric lines up with quotes from a particular U.S. group. So what? What's your point? Do you think he's right or wrong?