Explain the Big Bang

[Lillen]

I always referr big bang to the rebellion of Lucifer... before his fall the universe was in perfect harmony, but afterwards, two wills collided!

 

[AV1611VET]

I always referr big bang to the rebellion of Lucifer... before his fall the universe was in perfect harmony, but afterwards, two wills collided!

Peter actually mentions a "great noise" in accordance with God's future plans.

God is going to revoke the strong nuclear force, and the elements described on the Periodic Table are going to dissolve in such a way as to appear that the universe is on fire.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[AV1611VET]

2. Even if what you said made any sense, you have managed to offend people, they are not listening to anything you are saying because it is being delivered in a spiteful manner.

Does that work the other way around as well?

 

[LOCO]

Does that work the other way around as well?

I have a low tolerance for so-called Christians who take on God's role and judge other Christians of not being Christian.

I am being honest, I have not called anyone stupid, no christian or ignorant based on their lack of knowledge.

If you choose to interpret that as spiteful, so be it.

Blessings

 

[AV1611VET]

I have a low tolerance for so-called Christians who take on God's role and judge other Christians of not being Christian.

Seriously, LOCO -- and I say this as a friend -- this isn't the place to be, if you have a low tolerance threshold.

Especially, if you're new here.

 

[LOCO]

Seriously, LOCO -- and I say this as a friend -- this isn't the place to be, if you have a low tolerance threshold.

Especially, if you're new here.

No-one on here has accused me of not being a Christian.

 

[TheReasoner]

No-one on here has accused me of not being a Christian.

It might happen. In fact, worse might happen. "Dad" - one of the very loud* Christians on here - repeatedly accused me of being a devil worshiper. Why? I'm a natural sciences student and I have no problem with neither evolution nor BB. That's why.

Funny thing is that such accusations exclusively (In my experience) comes from the (loudest) "Christian" members of this forum.



*Loudly professing to have the Answer to everything, you know the kind.

 

[mzungu]

The main problem with religions is that due to the total absence of their respective deity, humans are free to interpret their deity as they see fit and the end result is what we have today; Namely the numerous sects that disagree with each other.

Either you all agree to respect each other's beliefs or continue with the segregated and much broken Christian faith!

If only God showed himself to put things in order and clarify EXACTLY what his wishes and demands are. Don't tell me the Bible expresses this because we have so many sects disagreeing on the interpretation of the same book.

When the cat is away the mice are at play!

 

[AV1611VET]

The main problem with religions is that due to the total absence of their respective deity, humans are free to interpret their deity as they see fit and the end result is what we have today; Namely the numerous sects that disagree with each other.

Either you all agree to respect each other's beliefs or continue with the segregated and much broken Christian faith!

If only God showed himself to put things in order and clarify EXACTLY what his wishes and demands are. Don't tell me the Bible expresses this because we have so many sects disagreeing on the interpretation of the same book.

When the cat is away the mice are at play!

This post is hard to comprehend.

You start it off as if you're talking about all religions (e.g. Hindu, Islam, atheism), then you seem to focus on Christianity exclusively.

Would I be wrong for suspecting you used all religions to vent some point against Christianity?

 

[mzungu]

This post is hard to comprehend.

You start it off as if you're talking about all religions (e.g. Hindu, Islam, atheism), then you seem to focus on Christianity exclusively.

Would I be wrong for suspecting you used all religions to vent some point against Christianity?

You are right; I have not expressed myself clearly. I am referring to the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) where there are sects within each respective creed that do not see eye to eye. An example being Catholics vs Orthodox vs Protestants vs Evangelists, vs Baptists etc. Some Christian churches consider others to be heretical etc. The same goes for the other two religions especially Islam. The Jews have their problems too.

Such misunderstandings would have been averted were God to show himself or since the various churches do not agree with each other then they should encourage their members to respect the faiths of others.

I by no means aim to attack nor insult anyone's creed.

 

[AV1611VET]

Such misunderstandings would have been averted were God to show himself...

You really think so?

John 9:16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.

John 12:28b Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
John 12:29 The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

 

[mzungu]

You really think so?

John 9:16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.

John 12:28b Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
John 12:29 The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Do you deny that all misinterpretations will be clarified if God himself appeared and told everyone of his wishes? Since God is noticeably missing then suffice it to say we will have many "false prophets" who will claim to have a direct line to God.

How else can you explain the schisms that have taken place in the Christian (and the other faiths) faith. There is great animosity between many of the sects and each claim to be the true representatives of God's will.

I don't think that I am asking for too much when I claim to not accept the word of men who claim to know God better than others.

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you deny that all misinterpretations will be clarified if God himself appeared and told everyone of his wishes?

Yes.

Consider this:

Even after Jesus physically reigns on the earth for 1000 years, with Satan locked up during that time; when Satan is set loose, there is going to be one doosey of a battle against Jesus -- what we call the Final Battle.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

I don't think that I am asking for too much when I claim to not accept the word of men who claim to know God better than others.

That's one of the reasons they hated Jesus and His disciples, my friend.

 

[Lillen]

Jesus taught that doing good on the sabbath is not sin!

 

[mzungu]

Yes.

So God cannot stop the misinterpretation of the Bible This is a first for me

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you deny that all misinterpretations will be clarified if God himself appeared and told everyone of his wishes?

Yes.

So God cannot stop the misinterpretation of the Bible

I'm sorry -- I didn't realize you were using an Arab connection.

How did 'told everyone of his wishes' suddenly become 'stop the misinterpretations of the Bible'?

Had you asked, "Do you deny that all misinterpretations will be clarified if God Himself appeared and stopped the misinterpretations?"

I would have answered, "No."

 

[AV1611VET]

Hardly any difference there.

Oh, my --

Whether God appears in person and "Tells" people or he "stops" misinterpretations makes little difference as just his physical appearance will be enough to convince everyone.

Okay ... we're going in circles now, and I get dizzy easily.

So before I get off this merry-go-round, I'll say one last time:

God did make an appearance -- for 3 years -- and they crucified Him.

He will come again, this time for 1000 years, and they will try to crucify Him again, but their plans will be short-lived.

You're assuming seeing-is-believing, and God says otherwise:

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

[TheReasoner]

Oh, my --

Okay ... we're going in circles now, and I get dizzy easily.

So before I get off this merry-go-round, I'll say one last time:

God did make an appearance -- for 3 years -- and they crucified Him.

He will come again, this time for 1000 years, and they will try to crucify Him again, but their plans will be short-lived.

You're assuming seeing-is-believing, and God says otherwise:

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

They, AV? Oh, we'd do similarly now. He pointed - and still points - to areas where mankind has fallen extremely short of God's desires for us. He came as a Jew, to the people God has been very clear to through the ages: The Jews. And who were the primary instigators of His death? The religious conservatives of the day. When Jesus criticized them the criticism would still be extremely valid today, even if the target of this criticism is people who call themselves Christian.
We would probably ostracise Him now as well. Maybe we wouldn't KILL Him as a society, but exclude? Oh yeah. I know what reactions I have gotten when I started hanging out with rejects or stood up for weak, downtrodden and rejects. I myself was excluded, criticized, mocked... We aren't that different from the pharisees AV. In the US I spoke up for the poor, I was labelled a sinner on par with prostitutes for advocating helping them as a society. I hung out with depressed, satanists, disillusioned, drug addicts, alcoholics and more. Why? Because I actually believe that doing so is God's wish. The result: (Some) people[bless and do not curse](yeah, conservatives) in church started criticizing me for it. I sat down and had lunch with homeless, that was Okay with them. Most of them anyway. I hung out at concerts and just downtown with satanists, invited them to church for band practice, music listening and plain hanging out - some came. What happened? Conservatives pushed the minister to shut my initiative down. Even though I had gotten outright anti-christian people to open up and come to church service(!). Why? Oh, they didn't like the look these people had.
I spoke up against a known pedophile in a charismatic church, and supported another member who was his victim. The result: Well, the pedo guy was a prominent and wealthy man. The congregation a prosperity congregation: THey took HIS side - as a successful rich man, and ostracised his victim who was suffering from severe depression.

So... Don't tell me christians wouldn't do what ever they could to ostracise Jesus now. Many would. Because the stuff Jesus did isn't kosher in many Christian circles. In fact, it's frowned upon rather severely.

 

[ivebeenshown]

The main problem with religions is that due to the total absence of their respective deity, humans are free to interpret their deity as they see fit and the end result is what we have today; Namely the numerous sects that disagree with each other.

Either you all agree to respect each other's beliefs or continue with the segregated and much broken Christian faith!

If only God showed himself to put things in order and clarify EXACTLY what his wishes and demands are. Don't tell me the Bible expresses this because we have so many sects disagreeing on the interpretation of the same book.

When the cat is away the mice are at play!

Hehehe, and that's where the 'Sola Scriptura' debate begins.

 

[Michael]

Hehehe, and that's where the 'Sola Scriptura' debate begins.

Yes, and it's also where the subjective interpretation begins.