Explain the Big Bang

[AV1611VET]

I don't think we should dignify people who call others "dummy" with a response.

Or the b-word?

 

[ivebeenshown]

The big banger belief is that you can actually see the evolution of the Universe directly

Support this statement before you call others 'idiot' or 'dummy' based off of a strawman argument.

Just out of curiosity, how do you know that "spiritual" isn't ultimately "physical" in some way?

Because: if "spiritual" is "physical" in any way, then it would be, out of necessity, bound to the laws of physics.

 

[Michael]

Because: if "spiritual" is "physical" in any way, then it would be, out of necessity, bound to the laws of physics.

That's true, but it's only bound to the physical laws that actually might apply to that type of physical object/field. For instance, while all of the physical particles/fields that we are aware of are bound by the speed of light, QM proposes theoretical particles that are not bound by that law, but do have physical limits of their own.

 

[TheReasoner]

Or the b-word?

I have NOT called anyone a b....
I showed a cartoon which was not drawn by me. For cultural reasons I do and did not find it offensive and would not have been offended had I, my countrymen, my country's leaders etc. been the one/the group in the cartoon called a b..../b's It was in character for the burglar and the manager to use that word. Hence, in my culture it is not disrespectful for an author or cartoonist to use such language in their artistic deliberations. Using them in a debate to smear the opposition is un-christlike and unbefitting a decent adult though.
So:

1. I did not call anyone that
2. I did not draw that cartoon
3. In my culture that is not offensive,
4. I did not think it would be in yours either, given the setting.
5. It can easily be seen as merely artistic liberties and a credible character portrayal by the artist (Who is not me)
6. I apologized for unintentionally offending anyone by showing the cartoon
7. It appears this user is intentionally offending by direct ad-hominem and not artistic liberties one can allow a cartoonist, author, painter or other artist.

I really do not think it compares, AV. Do you?

 

[Michael]

Your 'sidereal time' ......[rant removed]

Your original question was:

How many times does the Earth rotate in a year ?

The correct answer WC gave you was:

366.242199 times. Give or take.

The Earth experiences 365.25 solar days in a year, but it actually completes 366.242199 full, 360 degree rotations in a year. You asked how many times it rotated, not how many solar days it experiences.

He's correct. When did you intend to acknowledge that?

 

[AV1611VET]

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2293 Basic scientific research, as well as applied research, is a significant expression of man's dominion over creation. Science and technology are precious resources when placed at the service of man and promote his integral development for the benefit of all. By themselves however they cannot disclose the meaning of existence and of human progress.

I've only affirmed this. So get your stuff in order, alright?

Is this the same Catechism that says the bread & wine literally become the flesh & blood of Jesus Christ? even though science would disagree?

 

[pgp_protector]

Your original question was:



The correct answer WC gave you was:



The Earth experiences 365.25 solar days in a year, but it actually completes 366.242199 full, 360 degree rotations in a year. You asked how many times it rotated, not how many solar days it experiences.

He's correct. When did you intend to acknowledge that?

Never

 

[Michael]

Never

Evidently....

 

[ivebeenshown]

Is this the same Catechism that says the bread & wine literally become the flesh & blood of Jesus Christ? even though science would disagree?

The Catholic Church teaches that the bread and wine become the flesh and blood of Christ, while only the accidents (meaning, the texture, appearance, taste, smell, and I suppose sound when/if applicable) of the bread and wine remain. Science is only capable of measuring the accidental qualities of the bread and wine -- therefore, it cannot effectively agree or disagree with what the Church teaches on this matter.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Catholic Church teaches that the bread and wine become the flesh and blood of Christ, while only the accidents (meaning, the texture, appearance, taste, smell, and I suppose sound when/if applicable) of the bread and wine remain. Science is only capable of measuring the accidental qualities of the bread and wine -- therefore, it cannot effectively agree or disagree with what the Church teaches on this matter.

In other words, it literally becomes the flesh & blood of Christ, but remain bread & wine; and therefore cannot be ascertained by science?

How then does transubstantiation differ from consubstantiation?

And how can a person tell by looking at the wafer and chalice contents that he is looking at the real ingredients?

 

[oriel36]

If he's right he's right. Since he's right and your not, what choice do I have? What does his (or anyone's) preference for atheism have to do with the actual number of rotations that the Earth completes in a year? You didn't ask WC how many solar days are in a year, you specifically asked him how many times the Earth rotates in a year. He gave you the correct number. When did you intend to acknowledge it?

He is not even sane let alone right and I am being kind to him as a cult member of late 17th century empiricism.

For all other Christians,it remains the same thing,to believe 1465 rotations in 1461 days is to fail to interpret daily weather as the temperature rises and falls due to the rotation of the Earth -

BBC Weather | Oslo

Even allowing that the human devised timekeeping system which converts the raw astronomical cycles into a linear progression of equal days and from there into years can be intricate and not at all obvious,there is no excuse for denying the basic principles which link the rotation of our planet with the effects our bodies experiences such as wake/sleep or hot/cold have a stable and inviolate balance,365 1/4 rotations for 1 circuit and 1461 rotations for 4 orbital circuits.If people need affirmation then they can look out the window,look at a calendar and behave like intelligent people normally do.

Again,you want to join the other guy in his insanity then so be it,you can both explain how to fit the rotation of the Earth into that temperature chart above but I wouldn't recommend it for your health.The fact that students have to listen to the empirical trash is a disgrace to the Christian community who seem intent in ignoring their astronomical heritage and I mean that.

 

[Lillen]

Actually I always wondered what happand if you use the holy communion blood in the development of motionpictures!

 

[ivebeenshown]

In other words, it literally becomes the flesh & blood of Christ, but remain bread & wine; and therefore cannot be ascertained by science?

The bread and wine do not remain bread and wine but only the accidental qualities of bread and wine remain; science cannot ascertain the change because science can only assess the accidental qualities.

How then does transubstantiation differ from consubstantiation?

With transubstantiation, the substance (identity, if you will) of the bread and wine is no longer there, as the substance has become Christ himself. The prefix "trans" means "across."

With consubstantiation, the substance of the bread and wine would remain, and the substance of Christ would also become present. The prefix "con" means "with."

and how can a person tell by looking at the wafer and chalice contents that he is looking at the real ingredients?

Since the accidental qualities of the bread and wine remain, a person cannot tell by looking.

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually I always wondered what happand if you use the holy communion blood in the development of motionpictures!

That's a good question.

I would think God would be selective in which settings He works His miracle of transubstantiation.

 

[oriel36]

There are those in the minority who believe in the evolutionary biological and geological history of the planet in 7 days and their opponents who also have severe difficulties linking the rotation of the Earth with a single day so this is not an exercise in convincing people that the Earth rotates 1461 times in .1461 days or once a day but that Christians who may be horrified at what passes as science no longer supports this most basic fact of all.

So you want your 1465 rotations in 1461 days or 366 1/4 rotations per circuit and science ceases to exist,there are Christians out there who probably are appalled at the intellectual standards but not here in this forum.Again,wiping the dust from the feet is an analogy as it is the Christian thing to do for Jesus could not work miracles where faith hindered and only those who can be convinced will comprehend why these issues are so important.It did not happen here and I fully accept that.

 

[Michael]

Want to be a Christian then grow up.

Christians and grown ups admit their mistakes when their mistakes have been pointed out to them.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7586236-11/#post58385758

You specifically asked WC how many times that the Earth rotates in a year. You did NOT ask him how many solar days are in a year. You simply asked him how many times it rotates in a year. WC provided you with the correct answer. Your "bait and switch" routine from sidereal to solar days doesn't cut it.

Considering the fact that your position on the number of Earth rotations per year is based on pure unadulterated denial, and denial is considered a "pathological" behavior, you have absolutely no business questioning anyone's sanity IMO.

 

[ivebeenshown]

There are those in the minority who believe in the evolutionary biological and geological history of the planet in 7 days and their opponents who also have severe difficulties linking the rotation of the Earth with a single day so this is not an exercise in convincing people that the Earth rotates 1461 times in .1461 days or once a day but that Christians who may be horrified at what passes as science no longer supports this most basic fact of all.

So you want your 1465 rotations in 1461 days or 366 1/4 rotations per circuit and science ceases to exist,there are Christians out there who probably are appalled at the intellectual standards but not here in this forum.Again,wiping the dust from the feet is an analogy as it is the Christian thing to do for Jesus could not work miracles where faith hindered and only those who can be convinced will comprehend why these issues are so important.It did not happen here and I fully accept that.

Nobody cares how many times the Earth rotates in a given period of time (exaggeration.) Such information, however intriguing any given person may find it, won't save anyone's soul. Get over it.

 

[AV1611VET]

No. The bread and wine become the flesh and blood of Christ and are no longer bread and wine, but Christ himself, with the accidental (sensory) qualities of bread and wine.

With transubstantiation, the substance (identity, if you will) of the bread and wine is no longer there, as the substance has become Christ himself. The prefix "trans" means "across."

With consubstantiation, the substance of the bread and wine would remain, and the substance of Christ would also become present. The prefix "con" means "with."

Since the accidental qualities of the bread and wine remain, a person cannot tell by looking.

Then let's get to my main point.

If science disagrees with this -- (and I suspect it does) -- then can science take a hike?

 

[Michael]

Nothing like two hijacks of a single thread. Sorry for my part in the hijack.

 

[ivebeenshown]

Then let's get to my main point.

If science disagrees with this -- (and I suspect it does) -- then can science take a hike?

Science does not disagree with transubstantiation, so I have no comment for you regarding science and whether or not it can scale any number of mountains and/or small hills.

I agree with Michael. What a hijack! Back to Big Bang stuff now.