Explain how Jesus was in the tomb 3 days & 3 nights.

[mark kennedy]

Sorry, I just reedited my previous comment. So my question is on 3 nights. 3 days is fine.
So Friday night is 1 night, Saturday night is 2 nights. He did not spend third night! So it's 2 nights only and not 3 nights!

The way I get it, any part of a day was considered a day. So he goes into the tomb Friday night, he is there all day Saturday and then raised Sunday morning. There's another possibility, not sure I have a good handle on it but maybe he wasn't crucified on Friday, but rather Thursday. He would have had to have had the Passover meal with the disciples early, remember his enemies wanted him taken down before sundown because of the Passover.

 

[mark kennedy]

By starting at Thursday. In Hebraic thought, ANY PART of a day or night can count. So, let's just say he died at 3:00PM on a Thursday.

Thursday - Day 1
Thursday Night - Night 1 (Begin Unleavened Bread, High Sabbath)
Friday - Day 2
Friday Night - Night 2 (begin weekly Sabbath)
Saturday - Day 3
Saturday Night - Night 3 (end weekly Sabbath)

Sunday morning, at sunrise, the tomb was found "already empty" which means he rose during the night Saturday night. If it had been during the day, others would have seen the rolled away rock. This manner of counting explains how he had to be taken down before the Sabbath began (and we know he died on the 14th, which is Passover but is not a Sabbath) and it also stays consistent with this:

Mat 28:1 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

I didn't see your post until I posted my response but I've seen this a couple of times. It sounds like a pretty reasonable explanation, I think it means that he would have had the Passover with the Apostles a little early. It kind of makes sense.

 

[Kenny'sID]

They are in error as I demonstrate. Don't rely on commentaries, stick with the scripture [KJB].

Problem is, after all that, how can anyone possibly take you seriously? If you ever did show defending scripture or have a good point to begin with you blew it with me due to all that scripture, as no one will see it among that mess..

 

[Godistruth1]

I didn't see your post until I posted my response but I've seen this a couple of times. It sounds like a pretty reasonable explanation, I think it means that he would have had the Passover with the Apostles a little early. It kind of makes sense.

Its not about the sabbath but counting 3 nights from Friday. Its not complicated.

 

[Barney2.0]

Ancient Hebrew tradition counted part of a day as a full day meaning the three days and two nights would be accoriding to the Hebrews three days and three nights.

 

[Godistruth1]

Ancient Hebrew tradition counted part of a day as a full day meaning.

I'm going to make exception to speaking to you on this post since this requires all the help it can get.
My problem is not with days but nights. Counting from Friday night to Sunday morning its only 2 nights and not 3 nights.

 

[cloudyday2]

@Godistruth1 , here is a webpage describing three theories: Friday, Thursday, and Wednesday and a quote for the Wednesday reasoning. Apparently the gospels say that the crucifixion happened the day before the Sabbath and that the resurrection happened the day after the Sabbath, so that is where the Church came up with Friday and Sunday. However, apparently the Passover itself was sometimes called a Sabbath. So there could have been one Sabbath on Thursday (for Passover) and the regular Sabbath on Saturday. That would lead to a Wednesday Crucifixion and solve the problem. (Also I suspect the Last Supper was simply the customary Essene communal meal and had no connection to the Passover Festival FWIW)

The Wednesday opinion states that there were two Sabbaths that week. After the first one (the one that occurred on the evening of the crucifixion [Mark 15:42; Luke 23:52-54]), the women purchased spices—note that they made their purchase after the Sabbath (Mark 16:1). The Wednesday view holds that this “Sabbath” was the Passover (see Leviticus 16:29-31, 23:24-32, 39, where high holy days that are not necessarily the seventh day of the week are referred to as the Sabbath). The second Sabbath that week was the normal weekly Sabbath.

On what day was Jesus crucified?

 

[Barney2.0]

I'm going to make exception to speaking to you on this post since this requires all the help it can get.
My problem is not with days but nights. Counting from Friday night to Sunday morning its only 2 nights and not 3 nights.

Yes by the modern day system of counting days this was not so according to the ancient Hebrews.

 

[Godistruth1]

@Godistruth1 , here is a webpage describing three theories: Friday, Thursday, and Wednesday and a quote for the Wednesday reasoning. Apparently the gospels say that the crucifixion happened the day before the Sabbath and that the resurrection happened the day after the Sabbath, so that is where the Church came up with Friday and Sunday. However, apparently the Passover itself was sometimes called a Sabbath. So there could have been one Sabbath on Thursday (for Passover) and the regular Sabbath on Saturday. That would lead to a Wednesday Crucifixion and solve the problem. (Also I suspect the Last Supper was simply the customary Essene communal meal and had no connection to the Passover Festival FWIW)

On what day was Jesus crucified?

See you cannot change history to fit the scripture. Jesus being crucified on Wednesday is never mentioned in any history

 

[Godistruth1]

Yes by the modern day system of counting days this was not so according to the ancient Hebrews.

Care to elaborate within context of verses quoted initially

 

[Barney2.0]

according to Jewish custom any part of a day, however small, is included as part of a full day.1 "Since the Jews reckoned part of a day as a full day, the 'three days and three nights' could permit a Friday crucifixion."2This phenomena is exemplified in scripture in the book of Esther. "Go, assemble all the Jews who are found in Susa, and fast for me; do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. I and my maidens also will fast in the same way," (Esther 4:16 ). Then, in Esther 5:1 it says, "Now it came about on the third day that Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the king’s palace in front of the king’s rooms, and the king was sitting on his royal throne in the throne room, opposite the entrance to the palace." We can see that even though the three days and nights had not been completed, Esther went in to see the King on the third day even though she said to fast for three days and nights. We see that "on the third day" is equivalent to "after three days."

Additionally, Mark 8:31 says, "And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again." Yet, 1 Cor. 15:4 says, "and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures." Also, Luke 24:5-7, "and as the women were terrified and bowed their faces to the ground, the men said to them, 'Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen. Remember how He spoke to you while He was still in Galilee, saying that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.'" Here we can see that "after three days" is equivalent to mean "on the third day."

Therefore, we can see that because of the Jewish usage of counting any part of a day as the whole of the day, the term "three days and nights" is idiomatic and not literal.

How long was Jesus dead in the tomb? | CARM.org

 

[cloudyday2]

See you cannot change history to fit the scripture. Jesus being crucified on Wednesday is never mentioned in any history

There is no history that mentions Friday either. Apparently the gospels say the crucifixion happened the day before the Sabbath and that the empty tomb was discovered the day after the Sabbath. But as the link mentioned the Passover itself was often called the Sabbath, so this week might have had two Sabbaths - Thursday and Friday.

I think that solves the problem. The other solution is to count the three days loosely so that part of Friday, all of Saturday, and part of Sunday becomes three days.

 

[Godistruth1]

There is no history that mentions Friday either. Apparently the gospels say the crucifixion happened the day before the Sabbath and that the empty tomb was discovered the day after the Sabbath. But as the link mentioned the Passover itself was often called the Sabbath, so this week might have had two Sabbaths - Thursday and Friday.

I think that solves the problem. The other solution is to count the three days loosely so that part of Friday, all of Saturday, and part of Sunday becomes three days.

Yes, if it mentions day before & after than that's how it is. We can't make excuses justifying, by making up things

 

[Godistruth1]

according to Jewish custom any part of a day, however small, is included as part of a full day.1 "Since the Jews reckoned part of a day as a full day, the 'three days and three nights' could permit a Friday crucifixion."2This phenomena is exemplified in scripture in the book of Esther. "Go, assemble all the Jews who are found in Susa, and fast for me; do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. I and my maidens also will fast in the same way," (Esther 4:16 ). Then, in Esther 5:1 it says, "Now it came about on the third day that Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the king’s palace in front of the king’s rooms, and the king was sitting on his royal throne in the throne room, opposite the entrance to the palace." We can see that even though the three days and nights had not been completed, Esther went in to see the King on the third day even though she said to fast for three days and nights. We see that "on the third day" is equivalent to "after three days."

Additionally, Mark 8:31 says, "And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again." Yet, 1 Cor. 15:4 says, "and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures." Also, Luke 24:5-7, "and as the women were terrified and bowed their faces to the ground, the men said to them, 'Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen. Remember how He spoke to you while He was still in Galilee, saying that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.'" Here we can see that "after three days" is equivalent to mean "on the third day."

Therefore, we can see that because of the Jewish usage of counting any part of a day as the whole of the day, the term "three days and nights" is idiomatic and not literal.

How long was Jesus dead in the tomb? | CARM.org

So which day is the first night? Also the ester example proves another problem and does not prove a justification. You need to prove 3 nights for both now

 

[Barney2.0]

So which day is the first night? Also the ester example proves another problem and does not prove a justification. You need to prove 3 nights for both now

This phenomena is exemplified in scripture in the book of Esther. "Go, assemble all the Jews who are found in Susa, and fast for me; do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. I and my maidens also will fast in the same way," (Esther 4:16 ). Then, in Esther 5:1 it says, "Now it came about on the third day that Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the king’s palace in front of the king’s rooms, and the king was sitting on his royal throne in the throne room, opposite the entrance to the palace." We can see that even though the three days and nights had not been completed, Esther went in to see the King on the third day even though she said to fast for three days and nights. We see that "on the third day" is equivalent to "after three days."

 

[Godistruth1]

This phenomena is exemplified in scripture in the book of Esther. "Go, assemble all the Jews who are found in Susa, and fast for me; do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. I and my maidens also will fast in the same way," (Esther 4:16 ). Then, in Esther 5:1 it says, "Now it came about on the third day that Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the king’s palace in front of the king’s rooms, and the king was sitting on his royal throne in the throne room, opposite the entrance to the palace." We can see that even though the three days and nights had not been completed, Esther went in to see the King on the third day even though she said to fast for three days and nights. We see that "on the third day" is equivalent to "after three days."

You copy pasted the same thing as in your previous comment!

 

[Barney2.0]

You copy pasted the same thing as in your previous comment!

Yes because the answer is there, a part of a day is counted a full day and night.

 

[Godistruth1]

Yes because the answer is there.

No it's not. When Jesus was put in tomb the Friday evening which was the first night?

 

[Ken Rank]

I suppose Jesus did not break bread inside the tomb? If he did then there's no problem and question is solved!

There is no problem to be solved. He died at the 3rd hour on the 14th of Nisan, Passover. When the lambs were being killed at the Temple, he was hanging on the cross. When the high priest sacrificed the final lamb and said, "it is finished," so did he say the same words and die. He did a Passover Sedar with them the night before. He can't have been alive in the 15th of Nisan during the day and still raise on First Fruits... no math works out that way. He simply had the Sedar the night before.

 

[Ken Rank]

I didn't see your post until I posted my response but I've seen this a couple of times. It sounds like a pretty reasonable explanation, I think it means that he would have had the Passover with the Apostles a little early. It kind of makes sense.

Just one night early... God allows for those away to have Unleavened Bread a month later.... nothing says he could have eaten with them the night before, walk through the sedar, point to all that point to him, and have this work out.