Explain how Jesus was in the tomb 3 days & 3 nights.

[Godistruth1]

Seriously, don't you think I research it to?

The confusion arose because all the gospels say that there was a rush to get his body off the cross and buried before sundown because the “Sabbath” was near. Everyone assumed the reference to “the Sabbath” had to be Saturday — so the crucifixion must have been on a Friday. However, as Jews know, the day of Passover itself is also a “Sabbath” or rest day — no matter what weekday it falls on. In the year 30 AD Friday, the 15th of the Jewish month Nisan was also a Sabbath — so two Sabbaths occurred back to back — Friday and Saturday. Matthew seems to know this as he says that the women who visited Jesus’ tomb came early Sunday morning “after the Sabbaths” (Matthew 28:1). (The Day Christ Died — Was it on a Thursday or Friday? Huffington Post)
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Notice the passage in Matthew uses the plural, your not going to find that in most translations. The Greek word here could be singular or plural and like I keep telling you, Passover was a Sabbath.

There is only one Sabbath and that's Saturday. Every Jewish holiday is not called sabbath unless you prove it!

 

[Barney2.0]

Do you have any proof of this from Jewish sources or again this is made up answer?

I did, I gave numerous examples from the Bible.

 

[Hank77]

* (so-called), the LXX [Septuagint] is not the work of 70 Jewish scholars, and not written before AD 100, but is the work of the gnostic Origen in his Hexapla.

Source please. Thanks

 

[mark kennedy]

There is only one Sabbath and that's Saturday. Every Jewish holiday is not called sabbath unless you prove it!

Wow not only did you miss my point by a country mile, that's your problem?

We can see how the Hebrew is applied to BOTH the weekly Sabbath and the annual Sabbaths. I refer you to the ENGLISHMAN'S HEBREW AND CHALDEE CON. of the OT, pages 1234, 1235. All of God's REST days (weekly or annually) are SHABBATH - SHABATH days. All of God's days upon which no servile work is to be done are SHABBATHON (Sabbath observance) days. God's weekly Sabbath and God's seven annual Sabbaths are all SHABATA (Hebrew) Sabaton (Greek) days - days upon which we CEASE or REST from our regular secular work. (Matthew 28:1 Sabbath singular not plural?)
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I was trying to get through the intricacies of the exegesis and you don't realize Passover was a Sabbath? I thought that was obvious.

 

[mark kennedy]

Source please. Thanks

I'd like to see that source material myself, I was under the impression that the LXX was completed in 132 BC.

 

[Godistruth1]

I did, I gave numerous examples from the Bible.

The examples you gave just add up to the problem. Those verses also do not finish the night it's claimed to finish. Unless you are applying maths here which should be applied in Trinity, - & - becomes + I suppose. Are you using this mathematical equation?

 

[mark kennedy]

Do you have any proof of this from Jewish sources or again this is made up answer?

What he is saying is not that obscure:

In the Bible, the season of light (Gen. i. 5), lasting "from dawn [lit. "the rising of the morning"] to the coming forth of the stars" (Neh. iv. 15, 17). The term "day" is used also to denote a period of twenty-four hours (Ex. xxi. 21). In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day. Again, a man who hears of a vow made by his wife or his daughter, and desires to cancel the vow, must do so on the same day on which he hears of it, as otherwise the protest has no effect; even if the hearing takes place a little time before night, the annulment must be done within that little time. The day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day—except in reference to sacrifices, where daytime and the night following constitute one day (Lev. vii. 15; see Calendar). "The day" denotes: (a) Day of the Lord; (b) the Day of Atonement; (c) the treatise of the Mishnah that contains the laws concerning the Day of Atonement (See Yoma and Sabbath). (Jewish Encyclopedia)​

 

[Godistruth1]

Wow not only did you miss my point by a country mile, that's your problem?

We can see how the Hebrew is applied to BOTH the weekly Sabbath and the annual Sabbaths. I refer you to the ENGLISHMAN'S HEBREW AND CHALDEE CON. of the OT, pages 1234, 1235. All of God's REST days (weekly or annually) are SHABBATH - SHABATH days. All of God's days upon which no servile work is to be done are SHABBATHON (Sabbath observance) days. God's weekly Sabbath and God's seven annual Sabbaths are all SHABATA (Hebrew) Sabaton (Greek) days - days upon which we CEASE or REST from our regular secular work. (Matthew 28:1 Sabbath singular not plural?)
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I was trying to get through the intricacies of the exegesis and you don't realize Passover was a Sabbath? I thought that was obvious.

Sorry I don't accept Christian websites which make theories to support their claim. I'm asking for Jewish sources for what you claim that Thursday is the passover and also a kind of Sabbath.

 

[Godistruth1]

What he is saying is not that obscure:

In the Bible, the season of light (Gen. i. 5), lasting "from dawn [lit. "the rising of the morning"] to the coming forth of the stars" (Neh. iv. 15, 17). The term "day" is used also to denote a period of twenty-four hours (Ex. xxi. 21). In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day. Again, a man who hears of a vow made by his wife or his daughter, and desires to cancel the vow, must do so on the same day on which he hears of it, as otherwise the protest has no effect; even if the hearing takes place a little time before night, the annulment must be done within that little time. The day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day—except in reference to sacrifices, where daytime and the night following constitute one day (Lev. vii. 15; see Calendar). "The day" denotes: (a) Day of the Lord; (b) the Day of Atonement; (c) the treatise of the Mishnah that contains the laws concerning the Day of Atonement (See Yoma and Sabbath). (Jewish Encyclopedia)​

OK so day includes night also since it contains 24 hours. Fine. What about night? When we say night does that include 24 hours too? Verse clearly says 3 nights. I hope you understand why nights is mentioned because you can't play games with the word night. So let's forget day, tell me how it's 3 nights!

 

[HypnoToad]

There is a reference to this in Matthew 12:40. It appears Jesus was not in the tomb three nights. Most of Christians traditionally believe that Jesus was crucified on Friday afternoon, “placed in the tomb before sundown Friday night, rested in the tomb on the Sabbath (Saturday) and was resurrected on Sunday morning before dawn.

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matthew 12:40

So how does it make 3 days & 3 nights?

Jews looked at partial days and considered them as a full day.

Jewish Reference:
"A day and a night are an Onah ['a portion of time'] and the portion of an Onah is as the whole of it" [J.Talmud, Shabbath 9.3 and b.Talmud, Pesahim 4a]

Also note that their day started at sunset. Jesus was executed on Friday - a day that starts with what we consider Thursday night. And then He resurrected Sunday, which gives us:

First night/day - Thursday/Friday
Second night/day - Friday/Saturday
Third night/day - Saturday/Sunday

 

[Hank77]

Sunday morning, at sunrise, the tomb was found "already empty" which means he rose during the night Saturday night. If it had been during the day, others would have seen the rolled away rock. This manner of counting explains how he had to be taken down before the Sabbath began (and we know he died on the 14th, which is Passover but is not a Sabbath) and it also stays consistent with this:

This can just really confusing so I would like to just clarify something you said.
Jews days begin at sundown, so Jesus rose during the evening of the first day of the week, which is Saturday night to us.

 

[Godistruth1]

Jews looked at partial days and considered them as a full day.

Jewish Reference:
"A day and a night are an Onah ['a portion of time'] and the portion of an Onah is as the whole of it" [J.Talmud, Shabbath 9.3 and b.Talmud, Pesahim 4a]

Also note that their day started at sunset. Jesus was executed on Friday - a day that starts with what we consider Thursday night. And then He resurrected Sunday, which gives us:

First night/day - Thursday/Friday
Second night/day - Friday/Saturday
Third night/day - Saturday/Sunday

OK for the sake of argument agreed. So when Jesus was put in tomb Friday night does that mean he was in tomb Thursday night also according to the logic you are using?

 

[Hank77]

I didn't see your post until I posted my response but I've seen this a couple of times. It sounds like a pretty reasonable explanation, I think it means that he would have had the Passover with the Apostles a little early. It kind of makes sense.

I don't think it was a regular Passover meal but the first Communion/Eucharist. Jesus Himself became the Passover that day.

 

[HypnoToad]

OK for the sake of argument agreed. So when Jesus was put in tomb Friday night does that mean he was in tomb Thursday night also according to the logic you are using?

He died Friday - a day that started Thursday night. He was put in the tomb BEFORE Friday night (He had to be buried before sunset). Therefore, He was in the tomb on a day (Friday) that began Thursday night. Partial days are counted as full, so they count Thursday night as part of His time in the tomb.

 

[Barney2.0]

The examples you gave just add up to the problem. Those verses also do not finish the night it's claimed to finish. Unless you are applying maths here which should be applied in Trinity, - & - becomes + I suppose. Are you using this mathematical equation?

Once more Godistruth1 your not looking for answers despite numerous people providing answers your just looking to argue and go around in circles, again I don’t mind explaining the trinity again and again to you, but I don’t think you yourself would do it as you know it’s invalid to this discussion. They don’t have to finish the night, a part of a day is a considered a full day and night, what’s so hard to understand?

 

[Hank77]

Seriously, don't you think I research it to?

The confusion arose because all the gospels say that there was a rush to get his body off the cross and buried before sundown because the “Sabbath” was near. Everyone assumed the reference to “the Sabbath” had to be Saturday — so the crucifixion must have been on a Friday. However, as Jews know, the day of Passover itself is also a “Sabbath” or rest day — no matter what weekday it falls on. In the year 30 AD Friday, the 15th of the Jewish month Nisan was also a Sabbath — so two Sabbaths occurred back to back — Friday and Saturday. Matthew seems to know this as he says that the women who visited Jesus’ tomb came early Sunday morning “after the Sabbaths” (Matthew 28:1). (The Day Christ Died — Was it on a Thursday or Friday? Huffington Post)
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Notice the passage in Matthew uses the plural, your not going to find that in most translations. The Greek word here could be singular or plural and like I keep telling you, Passover was a Sabbath.

Passover, Nisan 14, has never been a sabbath day, a day of rest.
What you are referring to is Nisan 15, the first day of Unleavened Bread.

 

[mark kennedy]

OK so day includes night also since it contains 24 hours. Fine. What about night? When we say night does that include 24 hours too? Verse clearly says 3 nights. I hope you understand why nights is mentioned because you can't play games with the word night. So let's forget day, tell me how it's 3 nights!

What I keep coming up with is Jesus being crucified on Friday is simply wrong, we do know he was raised on the first day of the week which is Sunday. That means Saturday, Friday and Thursday he was in the tomb. There were two sabbaths in that time frame, the regular Saturday sabbath and the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

 

[mark kennedy]

Passover, Nisan 14, has never been a sabbath day, a day of rest.
What you are referring to is Nisan 15, the first day of Unleavened Bread.

Yea I figured that out thanks, guess I picked up some bad information. There are two explanations that make sense to me, any part of a day was considered a day and maybe, he was crucified on Wednesday. Either one actually works for me, still trying to sort through it.

 

[Barney2.0]

Yea I figured that out thanks, guess I picked up some bad information. There are two explanations that make sense to me, any part of a day was considered a day and maybe, he was crucified on Wednesday. Either one actually works for me, still trying to sort through it.

Jesus was definitely crucified on a Friday not a Wednesday or Thursday:
The Crucifixion: Wednesday or Friday?

 

[mark kennedy]

Jesus was definitely crucified on a Friday not a Wednesday or Thursday:
The Crucifixion: Wednesday or Friday?

Well I appreciate the article, honestly I've always maintained the any part of a day is a day explanation, never gave it a second thought. I just encountered that theory and wondered if it had any merit.