Explain how Jesus was in the tomb 3 days & 3 nights.

[Godistruth1]

Jesus was crucified on a Friday and put in the tomb on Friday night.

Yes, Friday night is first night & Saturday night is second

 

[Ken Rank]

The question is of him bring in the earth and not when he does, that's irrelevant

You don't agree you don't agree, I don't care. I believe Yeshua was killed at 2:00PM on the 14th of Nisan somewhere in the vicinity of 30AD. I believe he resurrected as the First Fruits in the evening of the 17th of Nisan before the sun rose on what we now call Sunday morning. I am entitled to believe that.

 

[Ken Rank]

It just makes sense that he had Passover a day or so earlier then the rest of Jerusalem. Like I said, they took Jesus down before sunset because they wanted to eat the Passover Meal. These things work themselves out if your willing to do the work of thinking it through.

Grace and peace,
Mark

What it says is that they had to take him down before Sabbath. And the 14th while "Passover" it isn't a Sabbath, it is a preparation day and the day the lambs were all killed. That night (remember, a biblical day begins at sundown) was the 15th, the first night of Unleavened Bread, and is a High Sabbath. They were taking him down before then. Then the regular Sabbath comes the next day and the day after that... the day the tomb was found empty... is the first day in the count of 7 Sabbaths plus 1 day... and that is Shavuot, or Pentecost. So that all lines up as well and fits a better picture within the Feasts which were all designed to point to his work.

Blessings.

 

[Ken Rank]

Jesus was crucified on a Friday and put in the tomb on Friday night.

You're welcome to believe that, but there is no way to get 3 days and nights out of that time frame. If Friday was day one, then Friday night is night one. Saturday and day two, Saturday night is night two. Sunday would be day 3 but the was already out of the tomb by sunrise, and Sunday night would be night 3 and there is no way to get there. He specifically said, "three days and nights" which isn't 72 hours, but does have to include at least a part of 3 consecutive days and nights. And a Friday death just doesn't give us that time.

 

[Barney2.0]

You're welcome to believe that, but there is no way to get 3 days and nights out of that time frame. If Friday was day one, then Friday night is night one. Saturday and day two, Saturday night is night two. Sunday would be day 3 but the was already out of the tomb by sunrise, and Sunday night would be night 3 and there is no way to get there. He specifically said, "three days and nights" which isn't 72 hours, but does have to include at least a part of 3 consecutive days and nights. And a Friday death just doesn't give us that time.

If by modern standards you mean, however according to the Hebrews a little part of a day is considered a full day and night so according to their way of counting three days and nights we’d get three consecutive days and nights.

 

[Godistruth1]

If by modern standards you mean, however according to the Hebrews a little part of a day is considered a full day and night so according to their way of counting three days and nights we’d get three consecutive days and nights.

I wish there was a disagree button. Jesus died on Friday not Thursday. Don't know how are you able to change the death date.

 

[Barney2.0]

I'm not mocking, just presenting the facts! Can sin be acquired?

The question itself isn’t quite clear, please elaborate.

 

[Ken Rank]

This can just really confusing so I would like to just clarify something you said.
Jews days begin at sundown, so Jesus rose during the evening of the first day of the week, which is Saturday night to us.

Not Jews, the bible begins a day and sundown. And, "three days and nights" is idiomatic, doesn't mean 72 hours, but does mean that he had to be in the grave for at least a part of three consecutive days and nights. That is why the traditional timing of Friday doesn't work. Watch...

Friday 3rd hour - dies (day 1)
Friday night - begin weekly Sabbath (night 1)
Saturday - Sabbath till sunset (day 2)
Saturday night - Sabbath ended at sundown (night 2)
Sunday - would be day 3 but the tomb was already empty at sunrise
Sunday night - not even Al Gore's "fuzzy math" can get us here

So, there is no way to get "three days and nights" out of Friday. I think it was chosen because the bible says they had to get him down and buried before Sabbath... but there are two Sabbaths here, the weekly and the High Sabbath which marks the first day of Unleavened Bread.

By the way, I can get to Thursday by starting the previous Sunday and moving forward. I will try to do that later... going to a Gorge area here and intending to jump off some rock.

 

[Barney2.0]

I wish there was a disagree button. Jesus died on Friday not Thursday. Don't know how are you able to change the death date.

Yes he died on a Friday, I’ve said that quite a few times already.

 

[Godistruth1]

Yes he died on a Friday, I’ve said that quite a few times already.

My simple question. Was he inside the tomb Thursday night?

 

[Ken Rank]

If by modern standards you mean, however according to the Hebrews a little part of a day is considered a full day and night so according to their way of counting three days and nights we’d get three consecutive days and nights.

I know any part of a day is considered "a day" because it is an idiomatic phrase to Hebrews. Watch...

Friday 3rd hour - dies (day 1)
Friday night - begin weekly Sabbath (night 1)
Saturday - Sabbath till sunset (day 2)
Saturday night - Sabbath ended at sundown (night 2)
Sunday - would be day 3 but the tomb was already empty at sunrise
Sunday night - not even Al Gore's "fuzzy math" can get us here

There is no way to get to the 3rd night and we really can't get to the 3rd day because the tomb was empty BY sunrise. It says, Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb." (Matt. 28:1) "As it began to dawn" is one Greek word, epiphōskō (G2020) that means "to grow light, to dawn." The tomb was empty already at this point which means we can't really even make a case for 3 days and we certainly can't get to 3 nights if he died Friday afternoon.

Again, if you believe otherwise that is fine. I am not trying to rattle cages and cause any issues here. I shared a thought, it works even starting from Palm Sunday and coming forward, I can still get to Thursday from there. Friday is too short and Wednesday is too long.

Blessings.

 

[Hank77]

nm

 

[Barney2.0]

My simple question. Was he inside the tomb Thursday night?

No he was not.

 

[Barney2.0]

I know any part of a day is considered "a day" because it is an idiomatic phrase to Hebrews. Watch...




There is no way to get to the 3rd night and we really can't get to the 3rd day because the tomb was empty BY sunrise. It says, Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb." (Matt. 28:1) "As it began to dawn" is one Greek word, epiphōskō (G2020) that means "to grow light, to dawn." The tomb was empty already at this point which means we can't really even make a case for 3 days and we certainly can't get to 3 nights if he died Friday afternoon.

Again, if you believe otherwise that is fine. I am not trying to rattle cages and cause any issues here. I shared a thought, it works even starting from Palm Sunday and coming forward, I can still get to Thursday from there. Friday is too short and Wednesday is too long.

Blessings.

Additionally, Mark 8:31 says, "And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again." Yet, 1 Cor. 15:4 says, "and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures." Also, Luke 24:5-7, "and as the women were terrified and bowed their faces to the ground, the men said to them, 'Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen. Remember how He spoke to you while He was still in Galilee, saying that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.'" Here we can see that "after three days" is equivalent to mean "on the third day."

Therefore, we can see that because of the Jewish usage of counting any part of a day as the whole of the day, the term "three days and nights" is idiomatic and not literal.

How long was Jesus dead in the tomb? | CARM.org

 

[mark kennedy]

The one we are discussing proves it since 3 nights are not fulfilled

There are two possibilities that could explain it, any part of a day was considered a day. Then there is the possibility we somehow got the year wrong. If this happens in 31 AD, 14th day of Nisan (Passover), falls on a Wednesday. Which means Thursday, Friday, and Saturday in the tomb. If it was 34 AD it fell on a Thursday, according to the U.S. Naval Observatory Astronomical Applications Department. Which by the way, thanks @Hank77 for tracking that down for us. Most scholars will tell you that estimates for the year range from 30–33 AD. Move the timeline a couple of years to the left and problem solved.

 

[mark kennedy]

What it says is that they had to take him down before Sabbath. And the 14th while "Passover" it isn't a Sabbath, it is a preparation day and the day the lambs were all killed. That night (remember, a biblical day begins at sundown) was the 15th, the first night of Unleavened Bread, and is a High Sabbath. They were taking him down before then. Then the regular Sabbath comes the next day and the day after that... the day the tomb was found empty... is the first day in the count of 7 Sabbaths plus 1 day... and that is Shavuot, or Pentecost. So that all lines up as well and fits a better picture within the Feasts which were all designed to point to his work.

Blessings.

More and more I'm liking the idea we got the date wrong, if its 31AD he is crucified on Passover Wednesday, Thursday would be a Sabbath then Friday the women get a chance to get the burial spices together, following the weekly Sabbath to go to the tomb.

 

[Hank77]

Additionally, Mark 8:31 says, "And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again." Yet, 1 Cor. 15:4 says, "and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures." Also, Luke 24:5-7, "and as the women were terrified and bowed their faces to the ground, the men said to them, 'Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen. Remember how He spoke to you while He was still in Galilee, saying that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.'" Here we can see that "after three days" is equivalent to mean "on the third day."

Therefore, we can see that because of the Jewish usage of counting any part of a day as the whole of the day, the term "three days and nights" is idiomatic and not literal.

How long was Jesus dead in the tomb? | CARM.org

CARM starts right out on a left foot.
(Matt. 28:1) - "Now after the Sabbath [SABBATHS -PLURAL], as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave."
How long was Jesus dead in the tomb? | CARM.org

Sabbaton is indeed in the plural form but it is in the exact same plural form when speaking about a single day in this verse and a few others. So the use of sabbaton does not mean that there was more than one sabbath on a particular day.

Acts 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Greek Concordance: σαββάτων (sabbatōn) -- 11 Occurrences

 

[~Anastasia~]

This is basically what I found on the matter. Earlier in the thread I posted ancient quotes from different time frames saying the same thing - that a portion of any day was counted as "a day and a night" ... and one stated "just as we count them now" so the practice persisted for more centuries.

It doesn't make sense to try to change the events of Christ's life to fit OUR perceptions of what the words mean 20 centuries later in another part of the world, disbelieving that the Christians who wrote and recognized Scripture knew what they were doing when they began fasting on Wednesdays (for the betrayal) and Fridays (for the crucifixion) and celebrating Sundays (for the resurrection) - in opposition to the historic Jewish days of fasting which I believe were Tuesday and Thursday.

Two thousand years later, we think we know better because of the phrase "and nights" in one book. If it were falsified in any way, the people back then were smart enough to correct any "errors". The fact that they didn't, when this was all important enough to them to literally die for, should tell us something.

If by modern standards you mean, however according to the Hebrews a little part of a day is considered a full day and night so according to their way of counting three days and nights we’d get three consecutive days and nights.

 

[mark kennedy]

This is basically what I found on the matter. Earlier in the thread I posted ancient quotes from different time frames saying the same thing - that a portion of any day was counted as "a day and a night" ... and one stated "just as we count them now" so the practice persisted for more centuries.

It doesn't make sense to try to change the events of Christ's life to fit OUR perceptions of what the words mean 20 centuries later in another part of the world, disbelieving that the Christians who wrote and recognized Scripture knew what they were doing when they began fasting on Wednesdays (for the betrayal) and Fridays (for the crucifixion) and celebrating Sundays (for the resurrection) - in opposition to the historic Jewish days of fasting which I believe were Tuesday and Thursday.

Two thousand years later, we think we know better because of the phrase "and nights" in one book. If it were falsified in any way, the people back then were smart enough to correct any "errors". The fact that they didn't, when this was all important enough to them to literally die for, should tell us something.

I hear what your saying, the church is a living witness, since the Scriptures were in the custody of living communities their entire history. The same could be said of traditions, perhaps not all but many times the traditional view reflects a consensus among believers. Overwhelmingly the majority view has been that Jesus was crucified on Friday, and if he died in 33 AD I don't see a problem. Most scholars will tell you that the range of possibilities if from 30-33 AD, history isn't always an exact science. For me it's kind of like creation week, if the creation of the heavens and the earth was simply 'in the beginning' that means the age of the earth and cosmos is irrelevant to the doctrine of creation. If on the forth day God is just adjusting the atmosphere to make the sun, moon and stars more visible it fits the Scriptures and it opens the passage up to an alternative reading, nothing more.

I find nothing all that compelling to dismiss the traditional view, but I do entertain an alternate year Christ was crucified based on astronomy because it never hurt to explore something like that. It renders the argument that the Scriptures explicitly say three days and nights moot, whether the actual year traditionally held is exact or not.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[mark kennedy]

CARM starts right out on a left foot.
(Matt. 28:1) - "Now after the Sabbath [SABBATHS -PLURAL], as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave."
How long was Jesus dead in the tomb? | CARM.org

Sabbaton is indeed in the plural form but it is in the exact same plural form when speaking about a single day in this verse and a few others. So the use of sabbaton does not mean that there was more than one sabbath on a particular day.

Acts 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Greek Concordance: σαββάτων (sabbatōn) -- 11 Occurrences

The way I'm getting it there is an alternate reading of Matt. 28:1, perhaps there was two Sabbaths due to the first day of the Feast of Unleavened bread falling earlier in the week. The term 'sabbaton', in the Greek is defined by the context, in the vast majority of translations it's translated in the singular. Just an interesting possibility is all, which I think helps to dismiss the objections of skeptics who would hold us to a rigid Friday Crucifixion. I'm fine with the 33 AD Crucifixion but sometimes an alternative view is helpful, if only for the sake of argument.

Grace and peace,
Mark