Exodus is not supported by archaeology.

[ruthiesea]

My QV is that for over 50 years I’ve been reading science journals and books. I’ve also taken some masters level courses in physics, geology, and biology.
The lost squadron landed in an area of ice movement such as glaciers. Ice cores are dated using radiometric dating and analysis of the gases found within them. Some gases and particle debris have been compared to known historic events such as major volcanic events and atomic detonations. By comparing these the other dating methods have been found to be accurate.

 

[AV1611VET]

My QV is that for over 50 years I’ve been reading science journals and books. I’ve also taken some masters level courses in physics, geology, and biology.

How's that working out for you, as far as this thread is concerned?

Exodus or no-exodus?

 

[ruthiesea]

I doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. However, I believe that, in general terms, it did happen. But even if it’s not true, just like the creation story, there are lessons from Hashem that are valid.
Tanakh is written in story form. Like Aesop’s fables we remember stories better than a list of dos and don’ts. Even children can learn from stories.

 

[AV1611VET]

My QV is that for over 50 years I’ve been reading science journals and books. I’ve also taken some masters level courses in physics, geology, and biology.

How's that working out for you, as far as this thread is concerned?

Exodus or no-exodus?

I doesn’t matter if it’s true or not.

Yup -- that certainly sounds like over 50 years of science journals and books, along with some master-level courses in physics, geology, and biology talking.

 

[Astrid]

My QV is that for over 50 years I’ve been reading science journals and books. I’ve also taken some masters level courses in physics, geology, and biology.
The lost squadron landed in an area of ice movement such as glaciers. Ice cores are dated using radiometric dating and analysis of the gases found within them. Some gases and particle debris have been compared to known historic events such as major volcanic events and atomic detonations. By comparing these the other dating methods have been found to be accurate.

Dating ice cores is also done with visual count of layers
and an e- log utilizing the variations in conductivity
from changes in sulfuric acid content in the atmosphere.

The C14, visual and e- log dating all match up
to correlate with known dates like krakatoa
and vesuvias, with their distinctive ash showing
up at the correct year.

Nsttering nabobs of course will abandon such
integrity as they may have had, and make up
silly reasons that ice dating doesnt work.

 

[Astrid]

I have not attacked your character. I am not attacking your competence. By the way, if I was attacking your competence that would not be an attack on your character. I am puzzled that you would see it that way. For the record I have had my expertise on particular matters attacked, commented on, challenged, etc. and I have never once felt that had to do with my character.

I have pointed out that your phrasing (mention of carbon dating) is often associated with individuals who are not knowledgeable about carbon dating, but either think they are, or claim to be. I am giving you advice to help you avoid creating such perceptions in future. Christ encouraged us to help others. If my advice is not of any help to you then you are free to ignore it. If you do I shall not regret the attempt to help.

Characterising my effort to help as an attack on your character reads very much like an attack on mine. I'll set that aside and assume you have just misinterpreted my intent.

A counter argument to what? You asked a question: "Perhaps there's a flaw in the way we understand geology and carbon dating?" I've answered that question: I don't think there is a significant flaw. Since there is no argument from you, just the question, there can be no counter argument for me to offer. If you wish to specify, or exemplify possible flaws I shall be happy to address those.

Keep in mind my response to that question was primarily a matter of offering you advice, advice that you have misinterpreted and taken offence at. I took considerable care to make my intent as clear as possible. I apologise for being unsuccesful in that respect. I don't apologise for seeking to help you.

I " caused offense" too.

 

[timewerx]

At some point in time, the Hebrews are indeed ruthless nomadic invaders feared by everyone. This is confirmed in historical accounts and in the Bible.

It's probably one reason they became a persecuted race.

 

[AV1611VET]

At some point in time, the Hebrews are indeed ruthless nomadic invaders feared by everyone. This is confirmed in historical accounts and in the Bible.

The fact that the Hebrews were feared is brought out by Rahab the harlot.

(Yes, in the case of this thread, I'll take the word of a harlot in the Bible over the world's best historians any day of the week.)

Anyway, as Rahab put it ...

Joshua 2:9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you.
10 For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed.
11 And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.

As far as "ruthless, nomadic, invaders" is concerned ... well ... that's college talking.

It would be like someone's family going oversea on a trip for a month, coming back, and finding squatters moved into his house.

Evicting the squatters does not mean that that family is ruthless, nomadic, invaders.

 

[loveofourlord]

On the subject of carbon dating in archaeology, carbon dating can be compared to other dating techniques and found to be consistent.
For example the Rhind Mathematical Papyrus described in post #85 the author of the papyrus, the scribe Ahmes, provides a date for its compilation.

'A-user-Re' is the Egyptian regnal name for the Hyksos king Apophis and was therefore compiled around 1550 BC assuming Apophis' reign is correct.
The radiocarbon date of the papyrus is approximately 1650 BC.

Best evidence of carbon dating working is dedochronology they line up perfectly.

And no way for that to work unless they both work.

 

[timewerx]

As far as "ruthless, nomadic, invaders" is concerned ... well ... that's college talking.

It would be like someone's family going oversea on a trip for a month, coming back, and finding squatters moved into his house.

Evicting the squatters does not mean that that family is ruthless, nomadic, invaders.

In history, we cannot dismiss what other people think. They still help confirm Biblical facts and only benefits the religion.

 

[sjastro]

Best evidence of carbon dating working is dedochronology they line up perfectly.

And no way for that to work unless they both work.

The best evidence for the accuracy of carbon dating is when other dating techniques are also available.
For example when human remains are found in a tomb along with pottery, archaeologists can use radiocarbon dating on the remains and relative and absolute dating on the pottery.
Relative dating involves comparing the pottery to styles of pottery made during a particular time period.
Absolute dating involves thermoluminescence dating as described in this video.

 

[loveofourlord]

The best evidence for the accuracy of carbon dating is when other dating techniques are also available.
For example when human remains are found in a tomb along with pottery, archaeologists can use radiocarbon dating on the remains and relative and absolute dating on the pottery.
Relative dating involves comparing the pottery to styles of pottery made during a particular time period.
Absolute dating involves thermoluminescence dating as described in this video.

well what I mean is, lets say we have historic record for a tree being grown around 501 BC, we carbondate the tree to around 501BC and the tree rings show it to be around 501 BC all three show when the tree grown to be accurate. This is why endocrinology is so powerful especially at showing carbon dating working.

 

[partinobodycular]

In history, we cannot dismiss what other people think.

Except that theists are notorious for doing this, if what other people think contradicts the biblical narrative.

They still help confirm Biblical facts and only benefits the religion.

Therein lies the problem. When they confirm the biblical narrative theists accept them, when they don't they reject them.

Blatant confirmation bias.

 

[timewerx]

Except that theists are notorious for doing this, if what other people think contradicts the biblical narrative.

Therein lies the problem. When they confirm the biblical narrative theists accept them, when they don't they reject them.

Blatant confirmation bias.

It's up to you how you want to interpret it but useful information nevertheless. At the very basics, it confirms the Hebrews are at some place the Bible says they're supposed to be.

 

[Astrid]

It's up to you how you want to interpret it but useful information nevertheless. At the very basics, it confirms the Hebrews are at some place the Bible says they're supposed to be.

Could you restaste in a non ambiguous way?

 

[Astrid]

Except that theists are notorious for doing this, if what other people think contradicts the biblical narrative.

Therein lies the problem. When they confirm the biblical narrative theists accept them, when they don't they reject them.

Blatant confirmation bias.

Very true whether or not it applies here

 

[sjastro]

Here is the archaeological summary on the historical nature of the Bible.
While archaeologists agree there is a historical basis to some parts of the Bible, Exodus is not one of them.

 

[AV1611VET]

Here is the archaeological summary on the historical nature of the Bible.

LOL -- number 3 is solid gold:

3. Conquest of Canaan led by Joshua (if all this had happened).​

Finding: mythology, with seeds of historicity.​

Translation: If indeed it did happen, it didn't.

 

[Astrid]

Here is the archaeological summary on the historical nature of the Bible.
While archaeologists agree there is a historical basis to some parts of the Bible, Exodus is not one of them.

But whatabout Circumstantial Archaeologism??

I heard about that.

 

[sjastro]

But whatabout Circumstantial Archaeologism??

I heard about that.

Never heard of it.
You will have to explain it to me.