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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Allenbee, Dec 3, 2017.

  1. Allenbee

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    About Rev 7...from another thread ;

    Now there is much debate about these VERY important scriptures for earthly ones like myself;
    Rev 7;9-17;
    9 After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of [all] tribes and peoples and tongues, standing in sight of the throne and in sight of the lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 and they cry with a great voice, saying, Salvation unto our God who sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb.

    11 And all the angels were standing round about the throne, and [about] the elders and the four living creatures; and they fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honor, and power, and might, [be] unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

    13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, These that are arrayed in white robes, who are they, and whence came they?

    14 And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come out of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    15 Therefore are they in sight the throne of God; and they serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall spread his tabernacle over them.

    16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun strike upon them, nor any heat: 17 for the Lamb that is in the midst of the throne shall be their shepherd, and shall guide them unto fountains of waters of life: and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes.

    The debate is about BEFORE* the throne and the Lamb...implying these ones are in heaven.
    Now the Greek to English reads... "In sight of the throne and in sight of the Lamb".
    So I believe this shows these ones are on earth and survived the 6th seal at Rev 6 which clearly is the great tribulation...cut short or no flesh would be left alive.
    MORE than that...I believe they are in sight of the SIGN of our Lord's presence, just as survivors of the nations are who mourne.
    29 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    and at Rev 7 we see the believers "cry with a great voice, saying, Salvation unto our God who sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb ".

    So to me we have separated to the mountain of the house of HYWH... WORLDWIDE ! Rev 18;4 "GET OUT of her my people". OUT of Babylon the great harlot (false religion) AND... OUT of Babylon the great CITY. (Satans evil world today).... OR else...you will share in her sins and TOTAL destruction !!! Get it ? As for me I hate the way of this world and how the poor suffer and die. I Hallalujah it's destruction and NEVER to rise again.

    Isaiah 2;

    The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.

    2 And it shall come to pass in the latter days, that the mountain of Jehovah's house shall be established on the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

    3 And many peoples shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of Jehovah from Jerusalem. (Messianic Jew leaders in ISRAEL...AND they already are there).


    I find the peace of v 1-3 shows this is BEFORE the Great Trib, THEN 4-5 is during the GT and up to our Lord's presence. (Open to debate IF there is better news) :)

    NOW please read 6-22 the great tribulation on unbelieving Jews and gentiles.
    Compare v10-21 to Rev 6; 6th seal...the great tribulation...now SEE we are not there even BEFORE the GT kicks in. Read the beautiful v 1-3 again please.

    This is where we worship God in HIS earthly temple.
    15 Therefore are they in sight the throne of God; and they serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall spread his tabernacle over them.16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun strike upon them, nor any heat: 17 for the Lamb that is in the midst of the throne shall be their shepherd, and shall guide them unto fountains of waters of life: and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes.

    Now be honest...does that sound like they in heaven ???
    Definitely not.
    not.
     
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  3. keras

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    The entire chapter of Revelation 7 describes earthly scenes. It is only those who have been fooled by the rapture to heaven theory, who have to see the vast multitude in heaven. God's throne is a spiritual thing and can be seen anywhere God allows it. Ezekiel 1:1 and Stephen; Acts 7:56 saw it while they were on earth.
    However I see Revelation 7:15-17 as happening after the GWT Judgement and during Eternity; Revelation 21:1-7. Then God and therefore heaven and His Throne, will physically be on earth.

    Revelation 7:14.... the great tribulation, or great ordeal; REBible, is referring to the just occurred Lord's terrible Day of wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. Not the Great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, to come during the last 3 1/2 years before Jesus Returns.
     
  4. jesus316

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    Yes, this is the eternal utopian new heavens and new earth.
    The only thing about this world God needs to destroy to usher in the new heavens and new earth is the influence of the powers of darkness.

    I think the new heavens and new earth are just the same world as this current world, but with the wicked spiritual powers no longer present.

    There will be no pain and suffering. This means there are no shortages of resources, no competition for survival, no need for cells to continually replenish their food and energy.

    Other than that, it's the same world as this one.
     
  5. Allenbee

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    Thank you all...exciting times for sure.
    So while everyone is freaking and terrified of things to come...and rightly so.
    We are told to lift up our heads and rejoice !
    A short while and our Lord is here. THAT'S the great movie.

    Now that beauty I concentrate on, and not when there will be a rapture.
    As a matter of fact I don't believe the "church" is raptured, but I do believe those chosen to be the bride are.
    I mean right now we know there are heavenly ones, and earthly ones.
    We also know GOD created the earth and man to fill the earth, tend it, have in subjection all other creation, and above all to share it. THAT is GOD'S WILL.
    So WHY will he take us all to heaven ? HE already has myriads of angels there!

    So heavenly ones and earthly ones is fine by me, as our Lord comes to rule over the earthly ones. AND to change the minds of unbelievers...or kill any who are rebelliously evil, or worship any other GOD than... YHWH.
     
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    The wrath of God can't begin till as shown in Revelation 11:18 after the 7th trumpet sounded. The first six trumpets are not the wrath of God.
    He will begin to destroy those that are destroying the earth-after the announcement is made in heaven when the 7th trumpet sounds.


    So... believers KNOW that. THAT is why they flee as a PREPARED people.
    Or do you think it's cool to just STAY "eating and drinking and marrying" IN satans world... UNTIL the trumpent is blown ??? Oh sorry... you will be pre trib raptured right ???
    If I read you wrong...I apologize.
    BUT... THEN EXPLAIN why we should wait for the 7 th trumpet... "eating and drinking and marrying" IN SATANS WORLD ???
    "as in the days of Noah"... as in the days of Lot... as at 70 CE !!!
    SEE...SEPARATE... THEN destruction.

    So it will be again from the GOD of ORDER who gave us these things as examples of thing to come.

    Thank you JAH... COME Lord Jesus ... COME!
    Do you think HE wants ANY blood on HIS robes ?

    So we separate, preaching the KINGDOM of GOD on earth... as the "voice in the wilderness".

    "Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son.
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    Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children.
     
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    "The only thing about this world God needs to destroy to usher in the new heavens and new earth is the influence of the powers of darkness".

    Absolutely... and that includes the 1% RICH who have more money than the rest of the world !!
    "Share the world" ???

    So this is satan's sick world, and have you personally SEEN the poverty and dying of the poor ?? Well... GOD does, and THAT is HIS wrath.

    Yes you are right; New heavens is satan cast down, and new earth when he is abased.
    These thing are both right in front of us.

    THIS GENERATION
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    THE WOMAN AND THE DRAGON.

    From my end time studies I conclude that the two most important Chapters are Math 24 and Rev 12, as they complement each other, and clear up a lot of confusion.

    So here is Rev 12, with my references to Math 24, for your end time study opinion please.

    NB… GO DANIEL because the words are hidden and sealed… UNTIL the TIME OF THE END !!!

    So we share;
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    Rev 12;

    12 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.(Our Lord).

    Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. (satan).

    Who is the woman ?

    Let GOD explain… “the end from the beginning”.

    At the beginning Gen3;15 SEE… Our mother, and satan, and our Lord

    15 And I will put enmity
    between you (satan) and the woman,(Eve… mother of mankind).
    and between your offspring (evil)] and hers; (the good)
    He(Our Lord) will crush[b] your head,
    and you (satan) will strike his heel.”

    So at end time… the righteous offspring from mother Eve are those who serve our Lord, are seen as the good seed or “the woman”.

    The true flock, who triumphed over satan by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death even. (Rev 12)

    Yes… we are a pregnant flock !!! :flushed: :blush: :grinning: !
    I mean we ARE in expectation of our LORD…Right !!!
    Yes we are, as we see the signs being fulfilled…beginning of “birth pains”.


    Math 24;
    You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
    All these are the beginning of birth pains.

    Ok now we move to the stars;


    Rev12;
    Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars* out of the sky and flung them to the earth.


    Math 24:
    29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
    “‘the sun will be darkened,
    and the moon will not give its light;
    the stars* will fall from the sky,
    and the heavenly bodies will be shaken


    So I make the connection that the stars falling are satan and his demons, and the heavens shaking is the WAR in heaven.

    Rev 12;
    7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

    Seen as stars falling from heaven !!!

    I believe so, as Rev is written in signs, so I take that as “depictive of”… just like our Lord is referred to as “the bright morning star” ? And see this angel seen as a star at Rev 9.

    So now we have satan and his demons cast down just before we see the SIGN of the lords presence !!!

    Do you see the importance of this ?

    That means the the man of lawlessness to appear before the Lord appears, is satan (or his demon’s) as man now, as they cannot access the heavens anymore. They also the “wild beast” that can do miracles to mislead !!!

    Here it is together in the order it happens;
    29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days
    ‘the sun will be darkened,
    and the moon will not give its light;
    the stars will fall from the sky,
    and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.


    (War in heaven and satan and demons cast down)

    30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

    ALSO see this tie up;

    15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation, (satan) spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

    And that ties up with this;

    12 Therefore rejoice, you heavens
    and you who dwell in them!
    But woe to the earth and the sea,
    because the devil has gone down to you!
    He is filled with fury,
    because he knows that his time is short.”


    13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.

    So from those link ups…I conclude satan appears, then our Lord, then the final 3 ½ years of hell on earth…until satan is abyssed.

    The good news is the woman (us believers), fly to the place prepared for us in the wilderness, where we are taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.

    Better still ; The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

    Enough for now, but still lots more good news to come from these two amazing prophesies.
     
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  10. Allenbee

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    The Man of Lawlessness
    1 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,1
    2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
    3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,3
    4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
    5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?
    6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.
    7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.
    8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.
    9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,
    10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
    11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,
    12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
     
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    The beast; one of two beasts. The first beast comes "out of the sea" and is given authority and power by the dragon (satan). This first beast is initially mentioned in Revelation 11:7 as coming out of the abyss. The second beast comes "out of the earth" and directs all peoples of the earth to worship the first beast. The second beast is described in Rev 13, and is also referred to as the false prophet. The two beasts are aligned with satan in opposition to God. They persecute the "saints" and those who do "not worship the image of the beast [of the sea]" and influence the kings of the earth to gather for the battle of Har'Magedon. The two beasts are defeated by Christ and are thrown into the lake of fire at Rev19.

    (With help from Wicki):yum:
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    The point is... the true flock flee BEFORE all of this...BECAUSE we KNOW whats coming. There cannot be a "too soon" to live GOD'S WAY, keeping ALL His laws and statutes as shown at Malachi 4.

    "The voice in the wilderness" preaching the Kingdom of God, in the spirit of Elijah...BEFORE our Lord returns !
     
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    From Rev 12; we consider these 3 links to the mystery of God.

    1; For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
    who accuses them before our God day and night
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    has been hurled down.

    (satan accuses BELIEVERS… of WHAT exactly)?


    2; “Now have come the salvation and the power
    and the kingdom of our God,
    and the authority of his Christ.

    ( Now what authority could our lord possibly need )?


    3; When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.

    (How can we cause the birth, which can only be the SIGN of our Lord’s presence)?

    (Sorry I cannot write properly, but you should get what I mean)

    First of all…WHAT was satan accusing mankind of ?

    Satan could only have be accusing man of loving his capitalistic way of this world TODAY !!! (The rich love it…the poor hate it, but this is satan’s way).

    SATANS 666 kingdom rule !

    MONEY, possessions, IDOLS (Luxuary cars, Yacht’s, mansions and all the luxuries at Rev 18. Their idols of silver and gold.

    Man cannot slave for riches and for God.

    Sooooo…does man prefer satan’s kingdom… or God’s Kingdom ?

    Ohhhhhh… a SOVEREIGN issue !!!

    Gen 3;15 fulfilled…at end time… TODAY ! The end told from the beginning.

    So then… it is true believers who can give the authority to GOD’S Christ… by choosing GOD’S WAY, proclaiming GOD’S KINGDOM*.

    “Now have come the salvation and the power
    and the kingdom* of our God,
    and the authority of his Christ.

    They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb
    and by the word of their testimony* they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.

    So we consider…“by the word of their testimony” !!!…

    NOW… is that proclaiming a pre trib, or mid trib, or post trib rapture, “for the church” !!!! (CHURCH teachings, man made).

    OR… is their testimony at Math 24 ?

    “AND this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come”.

    The greater EXODUS belief…is the start of the Kingdom of GOD on earth… by FAITH with WORKS… GIVING the AUTHORITY to GOD’s Christ… BECAUSE HE is to rule the earth, and we CHOOSE HIS WAY… OVER SATANS WAY.

    SO we settle the sovereign issue by proving satan a liar, who accuses brothers day and night before God…of loving his evil way.
    (And… until we flee satans Babylon…satan is right). Hmmmm… you all gonna love dat.

    WE BELIEVERS have caused satan to be cast down,by OBEYING our Lord to “flee to the mountains” or “fly to the wilderness”… BEFORE satan stands in Jerusalem, and BEFORE the SIGN of our Lord’s presence…

    SO we invite our Lord home…the birth.
    The SIGN of our Lords presence.

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    And here we are…the great crowd seving HIM day and night in HIS earthly temple;

    Rev 7; Therefore, "they are in sight of the throne of God and serve him# day and night in his temple* (sanctuary – house*); and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them. Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat upon them, nor any scorching heat. For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; he will lead them to springs of living water. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.

    And here we are before the final 3 ½ years of wrath on the nations;

    Rev 11; I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple* of God and the altar, and those worshiping in it# . 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.

    This EXODUS belief, continues to spreads like wildfire, (just google greater Exodus utube),and will continue being refined, as private Bible students share.
     
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    14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

    Yes, this is what Yeshua started, but to the JEW first, and that is why there are many Christians in Israel today, doing just that. Today like a miracle we see over 300,000 Messianic Jews and growing fast. These ones are mostly “greater Exodus” believers, from knowing the Hebrew scriptures so well.

    Now a Christian can show them how only those that obeyed Yeshua to flee at 66CE were saved. So too can we show them the VERY LATEST time to flee, as Jerusalem will be attacked again, and worse, the antichrist stands in the holy place.

    15 “So when you (believers) see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those (believers) who are in Judea flee to the mountains..(Again…only believers will flee…not Jews).

    21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

    Now this is on the whole world, so definitely includes Christians worldwide.

    Do any of you think “flee to the mountains” applies only to “those in Judea” as Churches teach ?

    The WHOLE of Math 24 is addressing BELIEVERS at end times…OK.

    THIS is written to believers TODAY;

    Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

    Repeat…this is a warning and the very latest time to flee, AND NOW as a totally unprepared people !

    Of course we think of our wealth and possessions etc, and that is why we have… Math 13 ALL H;

    Use your money wisely;

    The Parables of the Hidden Treasure and the Pearl


    44“The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field.

    45“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant looking for fine pearls.46When he found one of great value, he went away and sold everything he had and bought it.



    The other option is not to flee and throw your silver and gold in the streets on the day of God’s wrath!!!! Not for me.
    PLEASE do read Isaiah 60,61,62.
    H 61; 21-22;
    Your people shall all be righteous;
    They shall posess the land forever, the work of my hands,
    That I may be glorified.
    The least one will become a clan,and the smallest one a mighty nation.
    I am the LORD; in it’s time I will hasten it.

    Beautiful huh !!!
    Peace Brothers.
     
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    Just checking...has everybody been raptured ? :yum:
     
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    You and I may understand about the great Second Exodus of all the Lord's people, who are now every faithful Christian believer, but mostly everyone else doesn't.
    They have either been taught false theories, 2 Timothy 4:3-4, or they just ignore what the prophets have so clearly told us about God's plans. The secular world is better informed about forthcoming world changing events, than most Christians.

    But all is just how God wants it to be. What is soon to happen, will be the great test of faith for everyone. Will people stand strong in the many assurances of protection during the Lord's terrible Day of wrath? Sadly; many will fall, as Jesus winnows the earth with His Day of fire. Matthew 3:12
     
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    Revelation is greatly misunderstood.

    Don't worry about End Times. Many people throughout history have thought 'End times' was soon to happen!

    Jesus came and conquered.
     
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    Thank you both, I was not sure others were able to read my study.
    Yes, well said Keras, so I suppose all we can do is put it out their as our duty and care for our brothers. So I move along now to other sites then, as my commission seems done here.
    Do you know where the greater exodus discussions are...IF there are any ?
    To me this must become a worldwide belief FIRST.
    NO LEADER...as Yeshua is our leader.
     
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    No sites I know of promote the forthcoming clearance of the Middle East and the gathering and settling of the Lord's Christian people into all of the holy Land. Other than my own logostelos.info website.
    As I say, God is keeping people from understanding this plainly prophesied Plan. You are just one of a very few, as Daniel 12:10b says, that can see it.
    Contact me via my webmail address.
     
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    Will do, and thank you Keras.
     
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    This is the fast growing end time belief, unraveling from private Bible study.
    Unheard of before, because it's been sealed and shut up...UNTIL the time of the end.

    The Greater Exodus,


    Not the Pre-Trib Rapture!

    by Christine Egbert

    For two decades, while sitting in various congregations, I was taught that at any moment Christ could return to snatch away born-again believers and save us from coming tribulation. I found that pre-trib rapture doctrine comforting in many ways. After all, no one wants tribulation. Right? Only some how it just didn’t square with what Yeshua said in Matthew 24 about when He would return.

    Matthew 24: 29-31

    Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken, and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    According to Yeshua, this awesome event was to occur immediately after the tribulation. And if this was immediately after the tribulation, then Yeshua’s return could not be imminent. It also wasn’t a stealthy (secret) snatching away, for Matthew wrote that all the tribes of the earth would see this global event. When I pointed these things out to various pre-trib rapture teachers, however, I was quickly informed that this passage in Matthew 24 concerned only Israel, not the Church!

    How could that be, I wondered. According to Scripture there is only one God and only one people of God. Paul in Ephesians 2:12 said that in Christ Gentiles were no longer alienated from Israel’s Commonwealth, they were no longer strangers to their covenants. Ephesians 2:19 said Gentiles were now fellow citizens with the saints. And aren’t the saints the elect? Doesn’t Matthew 24:22 say that for the elect’s sake the days of the tribulation would be shortened? But enough about this unbiblical (dispensationalist) pre-tribulation doctrine. Let’s talk about what the Bible actually teaches will happen to God’s people, His elect, in the end of days. Isaiah 46:9-9 says: “Remember the former things of old, for I am God, and there is none else. I am God and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done…”

    Principle Number One

    To Know The Future, Study The Past!

    Those things which befell the Patriarchs and the children of Israel—Joseph, Jacob, Esau . . .the exodus from Egypt–are not mere history. They’re shadows of things to come, events about to unfold.

    Principle Number Two

    Scripture is about God and His people, Israel.

    There is One God, One Spirit, One baptism, and One Faith! (Ephesians 4:4-6) There is but one ‘covenant people spoken of in the Scriptures: Israel. In 1Kings 11:35-43, we learn that Israel got split in two and became known as the “House of Judah” and the “House if Israel”, and it is with these two houses that the new covenant is made. (Jeremiah 31:31-33)

    WHAT HAPPENED TO THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL?

    Hosea 1:6-7 “…And she conceived again, and bore a daughter. And God said, ‘Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away. But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah…”

    Hosea 1:8-9 “Now when she had weaned Loruhamah, she conceived, and bore a son. Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for you are not my people, and I will not be your God.” Then the prophet, still talking about the House of Israel, adds this incredible promise: Hosea 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured or numbered, and it shall come to pass that in the place where it was said unto them (the House of Israel), You are not my people, there it shall be said unto them (the House of Israel), You are the sons of the living God.

    The children of Israel would no longer be called YHVH’s people! They would become part of the nations—Gentiles, those not in covenant—but one day this same people group, whom God had declared not His people, would become known as sons of the living God! WOW! In Romans 9: 24-27 Paul connects the dots. “…whom He also called, not only us, of the Jews, (Paul is from the tribe of Benjamin which is part of the House of Judah), but also out of the nations (those scattered tribes). As also He says in Hosea, I will call those Not My people, My people! And those not beloved, Beloved! “And it shall be, in the place where it was said to them, You are not My people, there they shall be called, “Sons of the Living God.” This explains why in Matthew 15:24 Yeshua said He was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    WHAT IS THE PATTERN?

    Now that we’ve established that the Scriptures concerns God and His people, the (whole) House of Israel, let’s see how what befell Israel will form the pattern for what will befall Israel (we natural and grafted in branches) in the end of days.

    I Corinthians 10:11″Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.”

    The first prophesy concerning what will happen to Israel in the end of days was delivered through Moses. (Deuteronomy 29:27-29, and 30:1-8) “And the anger of Jehovah was kindled against this land to bring on it all the curses that are written in this book. And Jehovah rooted them out of their land in anger and wrath, and in great indignation, and cast them into another land, as it is this day… And it shall be when all these things have come on you, the blessings and the curses, which I have set before you among all the nations where Jehovah your God shall banish you, you shall bring back to your heart, and you shall turn back to Jehovah your God and listen to His voice, according to all that I command you today, you and your sons, with all your heart and with all your soul. Then Jehovah your God will turn your captivity, and He will have pity on you, and will return and gather you from all the nations where Jehovah your God has scattered you…And Jehovah your God shall bring you into the land which your fathers have possessed, and you shall inherit it. And He shall do you good and multiply you above your fathers. And Jehovah your God will circumcise your heart, and the heart of your seed, to love Jehovah your God with all your heart…”

    THIS IS KNOWN AS THE GREATER EXODUS

    Jeremiah also prophesied of that day when the first Exodus out of Egypt would be virtually forgotten due to a more miraculous one in which YHVH will re-gather the children of Israel from all the lands to which He’d scattered them.

    Jeremiah 16:14-15 So, behold, the days come, says Jehovah, that it shall no more be said, As Jehovah lives who brought up the sons of Israel out of the land of Egypt. But rather, As Jehovah lives who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands where He had driven them. And I will bring them again into their land that I gave to their fathers.

    Ezekiel also prophesied about the greater exodus in which God will re-gather his covenant people from among the nations. He will bring them into the wilderness, as He did with those who left Egypt, and judge them. He will make them pass under His rod to bring them into the bond of the covenant and purge the rebels. (Eze 20:32-38)

    Now the King James says “plead” rather than “judge”. Eze 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there I will plead My case with you face to face.

    But the Hebrew word translates as plead is “shaphat” According to Brown Driver Briggs Hebrew Dictionary it means: to judge, govern, vindicate, punish, act as law-giver or governor, to rule, decide controversy, execute judgment, and to enter into controversy.

    Let’s read the entire passage for the context.

    (Eze 20:32-38) What you have in your mind shall never be, when you say, ‘We will be like the Gentiles, like the families in other countries, serving wood and stone.’ “As I live,” says the Lord GOD, “surely with a mighty hand, with an outstretched arm, and with fury poured out, I will rule over you. I will bring you out from the peoples and gather you out of the countries where you are scattered, with a mighty hand, with an outstretched arm, and with fury poured out. And I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there I will plead My case with you face to face. Just as I pleaded My case with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I will plead My case with you,” says the Lord GOD. “I will make you pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant; I will purge the rebels from among you, and those who transgress against Me; I will bring them out of the country where they dwell, but they shall not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the LORD.

    At that time, Christians who claim God’s TORAH (law, instructions) have been done way with will either repent and “come into the bond of the covenant” or they will not enter the Promised Land during the Millennial Kingdom.
     
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