About Rev 7...from another thread ;
Now there is much debate about these VERY important scriptures for earthly ones like myself;
Rev 7;9-17;
9 After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of [all] tribes and peoples and tongues, standing in sight of the throne and in sight of the lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 and they cry with a great voice, saying, Salvation unto our God who sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels were standing round about the throne, and [about] the elders and the four living creatures; and they fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honor, and power, and might, [be] unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, These that are arrayed in white robes, who are they, and whence came they?
14 And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come out of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they in sight the throne of God; and they serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall spread his tabernacle over them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun strike upon them, nor any heat: 17 for the Lamb that is in the midst of the throne shall be their shepherd, and shall guide them unto fountains of waters of life: and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes.
The debate is about BEFORE* the throne and the Lamb...implying these ones are in heaven.
Now the Greek to English reads... "In sight of the throne and in sight of the Lamb".
So I believe this shows these ones are on earth and survived the 6th seal at Rev 6 which clearly is the great tribulation...cut short or no flesh would be left alive.
MORE than that...I believe they are in sight of the SIGN of our Lord's presence, just as survivors of the nations are who mourne.
29 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
and at Rev 7 we see the believers "cry with a great voice, saying, Salvation unto our God who sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb ".
So to me we have separated to the mountain of the house of HYWH... WORLDWIDE ! Rev 18;4 "GET OUT of her my people". OUT of Babylon the great harlot (false religion) AND... OUT of Babylon the great CITY. (Satans evil world today).... OR else...you will share in her sins and TOTAL destruction !!! Get it ? As for me I hate the way of this world and how the poor suffer and die. I Hallalujah it's destruction and NEVER to rise again.
Isaiah 2;
The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2 And it shall come to pass in the latter days, that the mountain of Jehovah's house shall be established on the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many peoples shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of Jehovah from Jerusalem. (Messianic Jew leaders in ISRAEL...AND they already are there).
I find the peace of v 1-3 shows this is BEFORE the Great Trib, THEN 4-5 is during the GT and up to our Lord's presence. (Open to debate IF there is better news)
NOW please read 6-22 the great tribulation on unbelieving Jews and gentiles.
Compare v10-21 to Rev 6; 6th seal...the great tribulation...now SEE we are not there even BEFORE the GT kicks in. Read the beautiful v 1-3 again please.
This is where we worship God in HIS earthly temple.
15 Therefore are they in sight the throne of God; and they serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall spread his tabernacle over them.16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun strike upon them, nor any heat: 17 for the Lamb that is in the midst of the throne shall be their shepherd, and shall guide them unto fountains of waters of life: and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes.
Now be honest...does that sound like they in heaven ???
Definitely not.
not.
Now there is much debate about these VERY important scriptures for earthly ones like myself;
Rev 7;9-17;
9 After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of [all] tribes and peoples and tongues, standing in sight of the throne and in sight of the lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 and they cry with a great voice, saying, Salvation unto our God who sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels were standing round about the throne, and [about] the elders and the four living creatures; and they fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honor, and power, and might, [be] unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, These that are arrayed in white robes, who are they, and whence came they?
14 And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come out of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they in sight the throne of God; and they serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall spread his tabernacle over them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun strike upon them, nor any heat: 17 for the Lamb that is in the midst of the throne shall be their shepherd, and shall guide them unto fountains of waters of life: and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes.
The debate is about BEFORE* the throne and the Lamb...implying these ones are in heaven.
Now the Greek to English reads... "In sight of the throne and in sight of the Lamb".
So I believe this shows these ones are on earth and survived the 6th seal at Rev 6 which clearly is the great tribulation...cut short or no flesh would be left alive.
MORE than that...I believe they are in sight of the SIGN of our Lord's presence, just as survivors of the nations are who mourne.
29 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
and at Rev 7 we see the believers "cry with a great voice, saying, Salvation unto our God who sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb ".
So to me we have separated to the mountain of the house of HYWH... WORLDWIDE ! Rev 18;4 "GET OUT of her my people". OUT of Babylon the great harlot (false religion) AND... OUT of Babylon the great CITY. (Satans evil world today).... OR else...you will share in her sins and TOTAL destruction !!! Get it ? As for me I hate the way of this world and how the poor suffer and die. I Hallalujah it's destruction and NEVER to rise again.
Isaiah 2;
The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2 And it shall come to pass in the latter days, that the mountain of Jehovah's house shall be established on the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many peoples shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of Jehovah from Jerusalem. (Messianic Jew leaders in ISRAEL...AND they already are there).
I find the peace of v 1-3 shows this is BEFORE the Great Trib, THEN 4-5 is during the GT and up to our Lord's presence. (Open to debate IF there is better news)
NOW please read 6-22 the great tribulation on unbelieving Jews and gentiles.
Compare v10-21 to Rev 6; 6th seal...the great tribulation...now SEE we are not there even BEFORE the GT kicks in. Read the beautiful v 1-3 again please.
This is where we worship God in HIS earthly temple.
15 Therefore are they in sight the throne of God; and they serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall spread his tabernacle over them.16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun strike upon them, nor any heat: 17 for the Lamb that is in the midst of the throne shall be their shepherd, and shall guide them unto fountains of waters of life: and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes.
Now be honest...does that sound like they in heaven ???
Definitely not.
not.
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