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I object to your false accusations; I do believe in the New Covenant, but it is not fully implemented yet.
This is an unpleasant and baseless accusation, made without even properly speaking to me.Whose fault is that?
God's New Covenant is bilateral. God, in Christ, has fully implemented His side of the New Covenant. Why haven't you implemented your side?
It's fully implemented for me, BAB2, Chris, every believer on this forum, and every saint through the ages to this moment in time. Why isn't it implemented for you?
This post is irrelevant and is what is termed in legalese; frivolous and vexatious. It proves nothing.A clear majority of OT instances of "berith" refer to a covenant between God and man.
What isn't implemented, and who hasn't implemented it?This is an unpleasant and baseless accusation, made without even properly speaking to me.
Just read Jeremiah 31:31-34 and it is obvious that we Christians have not yet experienced the full implementation of that Promise to His people. If it was, then we would no longer need to teach one another....
Daniel 9:27 is a "berith". It is between the prince, who is Messiah, the only individual identified as a prince in the passage; and the many with whom His covenant is confirmed.This post is irrelevant and is what is termed in legalese; frivolous and vexatious. It proves nothing.
Sure; they are, but the one in Daniel 9:27 is not. That one is between the prince, who will be the leader of the One World Govt and the leaders of the new nation in all of the holy Land. It is for a fixed term, seven years and for the purpose of peaceful relations between them.
Therefore; it is a Peace Treaty.
Belief that Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:8-12 are totally fulfilled today, simply puts you in the realm of fantasyland.What isn't implemented, and who hasn't implemented it?
The Holy Spirit is our Teacher (John 16:13).
In Daniel 9:26-27, there is an anointed Prince, [Jesus] an invading prince, [Titus] and a prince who will make a Treaty, [the Anti-Christ] 3 different people. Conflating them is error.Daniel 9:27 is a "berith". It is between the prince, who is Messiah, the only individual identified as a prince in the passage; and the many with whom His covenant is confirmed.
These things are prophesied elsewhere in our Bibles.One world govt, holy land, et al are interpretation via imagination unseen, unsaid, and unknown in the passage.
Belief that Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:8-12 are totally fulfilled today, simply puts you in the realm of fantasyland.
Belief that Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:8-12 are totally fulfilled today, simply puts you in the realm of fantasyland.
In Daniel 9:26-27, there is an anointed Prince, [Jesus] an invading prince, [Titus] and a prince who will make a Treaty, [the Anti-Christ] 3 different people. Conflating them is error.
I found the wording of the Hebrew and Greek rather interesting, so I attempted to do a translation of it some years ago. Maybe I need to revisit this thread:The "fantasy" is created by leaving Hebrews 8:6 out of Hebrews 8:6-13.
You are avoiding the word "now" in the verse.
The Old Testament text from Jeremiah 31:31-34 is quoted word-for-word in Hebrews 8:6-13.
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Belief that Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:8-12 are totally fulfilled today, simply puts you in the realm of fantasyland.
We Christians do have the promise of the New Covenant, but it awaits the our gathering together, as per Ezekiel 37. Every faithful Christian from every tribe, race, nation and language, as seen by John in Jerusalem. Revelation 7:9-14
In Daniel 9:26-27, there is an anointed Prince, [Jesus] an invading prince, [Titus] and a prince who will make a Treaty, [the Anti-Christ] 3 different people. Conflating them is error.
These things are prophesied elsewhere in our Bibles.
If you can't see them, then God's plans for His people are a closed book to you. Isaiah 29:9-12
We shall see in due course, won't we.Im sorry Keras. I cannot possibly support any of these statements. The book of Hebrews is foundational to New Testament atonement! Antichrist is not the subject of Daniel 9:27. An end-time "treaty" is not prophesied elsewhere in our Bibles.
We shall see in due course, won't we.
Re a treaty; when do you think Isaiah 28:14-15 happened? From the context, it is still future.
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We shall see in due course, won't we.
Re a treaty; when do you think Isaiah 28:14-15 happened? From the context, it is still future.
Some interesting views from a Preterist perspective:Isaiah 28
16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
What is verse 16 there for?
It's there for verses 14 and 15.
Fulfilled in Messiah at His First Coming.
Peter confirms.
1 Peter 2
6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
Thanks for this, I always thought of the 70 weeks as only pointing to Christ's First Coming. And so in Daniel 9:24-27 Jesus accomplished these things:Those of us who treat Daniel’s 70th week as consecutive (ie. not separated from the 69 preceding weeks), are sometimes asked, “well, when was it?” Here is the short answer:
first day of seventieth week – 1st Nisan (27th March) AD 27
last day of seventieth week – 29th Adar (8th March) AD 34
Here are the dates in diagrammatic form, showing key chronological markers. I’ll get back soon to expand on this. We can discuss the significance of the last half of the ‘week’ too if you like.
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Ronald said:So April 7, 30 AD or April 3, 33AD are dates recognized as His crucifixion. April 7, 30 AD would fall in the middle of your 70th week calculation.
More prominent is this was when Jesus was anointed by the Holy Spirit descending upon him in the form of a dove! Peter makes this point while preaching the gospel to Cornelius at Acts 10:38.So, what does St. John have to offer the discussion concerning Daniel’s 70th week? More than realized, I would suggest. His timelines surrounding Jesus ministry have appeared to conflict with the synoptic gospels, but actually they tie in like a jigsaw. Take for example Jesus’ baptism: Matthew, Mark, and Luke have it late in AD 26 after which he spent time in the wilderness. St. John has it shortly before Passover early AD 27 (John 2:13) On that occasion John the Baptist called out over Jesus, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29)
Why the different details? Answer. John’s account was when Jesus returned from his wilderness experience, passing by the site of his baptism several months earlier.
What did J the B. mean by his announcement? Answer. He was quoting Daniel’s “Seventy weeks are determined … to make an end of sins!” (Dan. 9:24)
When did J the B. make this awesome proclamation? Answer. The first day of seventieth week! 1st Nisan (27th March) AD 27
I just know the real 70th week is future. Revelation proves it.You're a bit of a worry Lamad.
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