Ex Clinton aide -- Hillary will run again in 2020

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Oh look! Urban legend week on CF is turning into urban legend month.

This is a not so cleverly disguised reference to the money sent to Iran as part of the nuclear deal negotiated by SEVEN different countries/NGOs and was their money for military aircraft paid for but never delivered.

That is the reason/excuse they used for the payment so tell us something we don't know?

That was just chump change anyway the lifting of the sanctions was the real money.
 
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That is the reason/excuse they used for the payment so tell us something we don't know?

Ah, going the CT angle then? One quick question. Did or did not Iran give the U.S. $400,000,000 to purchase F-14s.

That was just chump change anyway the lifting of the sanctions was the real money.

Which is it? Tremendously important enough that you brought it up or no biggie and hardly worth mentioning?
 
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Gallup, not Rassmusen, is the outlier at the moment. Economist is at 45, NBC News/Wall St. Journal is at 46. The RCP average has been in the 40s all year, usually in the mid forties. So yeah, his approval ratings are comparable to Obama's at his time in his presidency.
Rassmusen has been wrong so many times you might as well put them as part of the definition of the word in the dictionary.
 
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They were all very wrong in 2016.
Actually many of them were very close. the predictions were 3-4 % for clinton. she won by 2%. But they failed to see the EC mucking it up by 80,000 total votes. The electoral college should be eliminated.
 
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Actually many of them were very close. the predictions were 3-4 % for clinton. she won by 2%. But they failed to see the EC mucking it up by 80,000 total votes. The electoral college should be eliminated.
The 16 election is a prime example of why we have the electoral college. Very large voter turnout in a specific region of a specific state would’ve swayed the election a disproportionate degree. In rural “flyover” country, we’re grateful the founders had such foresight.
 
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Actually many of them were very close. the predictions were 3-4 % for clinton. she won by 2%. But they failed to see the EC mucking it up by 80,000 total votes. The electoral college should be eliminated.

If you look at the final polls, Rasmussen was the one that got it right on the nose, Clinton +2.
 
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The 16 election is a prime example of why we have the electoral college. Very large voter turnout in a specific region of a specific state would’ve swayed the election a disproportionate degree. In rural “flyover” country, we’re grateful the founders had such foresight.
You are grateful that flyover country stole an election against the will of the people? That is outright undemocratic.
 
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They were all very wrong in 2016.
Oh brothr, not this mythology again. :doh:

The 16 election is a prime example of why we have the electoral college. Very large voter turnout in a specific region of a specific state would’ve swayed the election a disproportionate degree. In rural “flyover” country, we’re grateful the founders had such foresight.

Always nice to see an open admission that large numbers of people in California should have their vote rendered less import than a small number in Wyoming.
 
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If you look at the final polls, Rasmussen was the one that got it right on the nose, Clinton +2.
Hey what do you know, they did actually get one right. But then why all the claims of the polls all getting it wrong?
 
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You are grateful that flyover country stole an election against the will of the people? That is outright undemocratic.
If you look at state by state breakdown of the popular vote, it was large turnout in California only that gave her the popular vote. Had California carried her to a similar degree as the other states that carried her, it would be a virtual tie. The electoral college takes into account the population differences. Surely you know that. But it limits the influence a single state can have on the total.
 
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Hey what do you know, they did actually get one right. But then why all the claims of the polls all getting it wrong?
That’s my bad. I forget the polls run on popular vote.
But the political talking heads were predicting an electoral blow out in her favor. I suppose that’s what I meant.
 
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If you look at state by state breakdown of the popular vote, it was large turnout in California only that gave her the popular vote. Had California carried her to a similar degree as the other states that carried her, it would be a virtual tie. The electoral college takes into account the population differences. Surely you know that. But it limits the influence a single state can have on the total.
But why should somebody's votes be worth less because they happen to live in a heavily populated state?
 
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But why should somebody's votes be worth less because they happen to live in a heavily populated state?
They’re not worth less. California has 55 electoral votes whether one person votes, or everyone votes. Same goes for the varying numbers of electoral votes around the country.
Try this one, supposing election results from the east begin to come in, then the central, then mountain, and the west coast having a three hour delay begins turning out in droves because they don’t like how it’s going so far. One state has effectively overridden the will of the rest of the nation. And that’s very much what would’ve happened had we used the popular vote.
 
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I think she'd be a significant improvement over Trump (that is a very low bar to exceed).
One of Bob’s goats would be an improvement over Donald Trump.

I cannot imagine the embarrassment you guys have to deal with. Two more years. Yikes.
 
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