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Evolution Versus Devolution

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why does evolution not account for everything in universe?

Because not everything in the universe is alive.

No. I already know that. I am asking for a connection between evolution and the big bang. Of course they are from different fields of different things. That is why I am trying to connect the two together because they are not of the same things.

Why do you assume that they must be connected together?

The Big Bang says nothing about evolution. Evolution describes nothing about the Big Bang.
 
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Joey, I think before you question everything about life you should first pause and ask yourself if you know who you are. First find yourself before you go on a quest for knowledge. I am sure many here will and are willing to answer to all your questions but you really need to look into yourself first.

It matters little in what you believe so long as you first believe in yourself! Fear not fear for it is your friend and not your enemy as it is a fundamental and instinctive feeling that acts to warn you of the dangers that loom around you. Let not fear become your master but make it your slave.

I honestly think you should pause your questions, and face your life as your own master and not as the conduit of another's beliefs and opinions.

After all, you made it up to here against all odds!
 
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There has to be some connection between two things, no matter how different they are. We are talking about the similarities or connection or link between the big bang and evolution. I understand that these two are totally unrelated to each other. However, there still has to be connection. There has to be. I believe that there has to be. I know they are different. I know that they are totally different than each other.

However, there has to be connection between two unrelated things. For example, the evolution people cannot conclude to say that there is a God, that there was a Creator, that things were creator by God, if the big bang people can prove that there is no such thing as God, that things were not created by a Creator at all. Because the two things cannot both exist. The two cannot both happen. If some people say that there is a God and the others say that there is no god, then one of them are wrong and only one of them is right. But whatever that the evolution people are saying and whatever that the big bang people are saying have to be all true and one cannot contradict the other.
 
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There has to be some connection between two things, no matter how different they are. We are talking about the similarities or connection or link between the big bang and evolution. I understand that these two are totally unrelated to each other. However, there still has to be connection. There has to be. I believe that there has to be. I know they are different. I know that they are totally different than each other.

However, there has to be connection between two unrelated things. For example, the evolution people cannot conclude to say that there is a God, that there was a Creator, that things were creator by God, if the big bang people can prove that there is no such thing as God, that things were not created by a Creator at all. Because the two things cannot both exist. The two cannot both happen. If some people say that there is a God and the others say that there is no god, then one of them are wrong and only one of them is right. But whatever that the evolution people are saying and whatever that the big bang people are saying have to be all true and one cannot contradict the other.

Joey, there is no connection. Big Bang theory tells us nothing about biological evolution, and biological evolution tells us nothing about the Big Bang theory.

Does germ theory tell you anything about how your car runs? Of course not. It's the same thing here.
 
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there has to be connection

There doesn't. Evolution happens whenever living things are reproducing. It doesn't matter where those living things ultimately came from, Big Bang, God, wherever. The two theories are completely independent from each other.

In the current scientific understanding of the universe, the Big Bang did lead eventually to the conditions which led to stars forming, then planets, and on some of those planets, the conditions necessary for life to arise. That, however, is a connection between events, not a connection between the theories.
 
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There has to be some connection between two things, no matter how different they are. We are talking about the similarities or connection or link between the big bang and evolution. I understand that these two are totally unrelated to each other. However, there still has to be connection. There has to be. I believe that there has to be. I know they are different. I know that they are totally different than each other.

However, there has to be connection between two unrelated things. For example, the evolution people cannot conclude to say that there is a God, that there was a Creator, that things were creator by God, if the big bang people can prove that there is no such thing as God, that things were not created by a Creator at all. Because the two things cannot both exist. The two cannot both happen. If some people say that there is a God and the others say that there is no god, then one of them are wrong and only one of them is right. But whatever that the evolution people are saying and whatever that the big bang people are saying have to be all true and one cannot contradict the other.
You are in essence trying to find the fundamental principles governing all matter and the answer is Physics. Chemistry, biology and all the sciences eventually boil down to physics.

Biology depends on chemistry and chemistry depends on atomic theory which in turn depends on atomic theory which is the domain of physics.

If you are really interested then let me recommend to you the Excellent 2 part documentary by BBC HORIZON called "Everything and Nothing" by Jim Al-Khalili: BBC Four - Everything and Nothing, Nothing

You will not find it in youtube as it is copyrighted material.

Watch it and I am sure your questions will be answered.
:wave:
 
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there has to be connection

You may want there to be a connection, but that doesn't mean there is one. Doesn't matter how much you want it.

germs can hurt your body and problems can hurt your car

True, but the way germs hurt your body is totally different to the way problems can hurt your car. There's no way we can get the same explanation to work for both things.

part of the connection is in how one thing happened before the second thing

There's a saying - Don't confuse correlation with causality. In other words, one thing can happen and then another thing can happen, but that doesn't mean the first thing caused the second thing. I can drink a glass of water and then I can mow the lawn. That doesn't mean that drinking the glass of water caused me to mow the lawn.
 
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the way a germ hurts a body is not totally different than how things hurt a car

It is. Germs multiply and cause damage while being fought by the body's immune system.

A problem in a car is a single breakage, which does not self-repair, or multiply. It cannot be transferred to other cars. It is perhaps more analogous to a broken bone, although even that will repair itself in the body.
 
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the way a germ hurts a body is not totally different than how things hurt a car
No they are not. Germs hurt a host body in many ways; They produce toxins that are harmful or fateful (Bacteria), or they directly mess with DNA (Viruses). Some microbial parasites do mechanical damage (malarial plasmodium parasite); They invade red blood cells and multiply and eventually cause the red cells to rupture and thus releasing the next generation of parasites.

Innate objects on the other hand experience damage through oxidation, fatigue, mechanical forces, etc. Different causes and different processes.
 
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germs hurt the body. things hurt the car. germs multiply in the body. things multiple in the car. germs slow down the body. things slow down the car. germs can eventually kill the body. things can eventually kill the car.
 
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