Evolution Question

[Hespera]

Yes knowledge was one of the great things God gave man!

A bit of a technicality.. we have intelligence, from whatever was the source. But knowledge is something that we earned the hard way, for ourselves.

I have a cartoon on my wall that shows Moses with the commandments. He is looking up and saying, "Would this be a bod time to ask for the periodic table?"

 

[Vehementi Dominus]

Yes knowledge was one of the great things God gave man!

No. Our inquisitve minds gave us knowledge. We learned things, we passed on that knowledge over the years and we're still learning things and passing that knowledge on.

God didn't suffer the countless injuries and illnesses it's taken for medical science to work out how to treat them. God didn't eradicate smallpox by discovering how to vaccinate against it.

But obviously, you belong 1500 years ago, in streets waist high with human excrement and holy crusades slaughtering innocents in the name of God, so your level of knowledge is somewhat stunted.

Just remember that when you have a headache, they'll drill holes in your skull to release the evil spirits.

Science just gives you some asperin.

 

[sfs]

I hope you're kidding --- if not --- I disagree.

You disagree that the Bill of Rights only applied to the Federal Government, and not to the states? You should have learned the basics of U.S. government by 8th grade or so. Try listing some of the cases, prior to the 14th Amendment, that declared state laws unconstitutional because they violated the Bill of Rights, and see how far you get.

 

[GuidanceNeeded]

Take the Noahs Ark story for example. Someone says it happens; I say it didnt. Ok...the only proof is what is written down. i want hard evidence that there was a flood.

You can find fossil trilobite tracks, you can find ancient raindrop splatters hardened into stone. Rread the record of the rocks! There is no (zero) evidence of a flood. Oughte to be huge amounts of evidence everywhere. Find the evidence, I will believe it. Geologists have been over and drilled into the earth in astonishing detail.... no evidence for a flood. So, I dont belive that there was one. "God cleaned up the mess " is one explanation. Far fetched? You tell me.

This was interesting reading materal.

Startling evidence for Noah’s Flood

 

[TemperateSeaIsland]

Yes knowledge was one of the great things God gave man!

God gave us squat, the knowledge came from people doing the work to gain it.

 

[GuidanceNeeded]

I also found this quite interesting.

Does God Exist - Six Reasons to Believe that God is Really There - Existence of God - Proof of God

 

[Tenka]

It's easy for me to argue science, because it's plain and simple for me, I don't believe part of it.

How can you possibly debate science when you don't understand the most basic things about it? The answer is that you can't, and you haven't.

 

[Vehementi Dominus]

Bascially two Christian propaganda sites. Hardly impartial enough to accept that the evidence isn't faked, considering also that neither of which have undergone the harsh scrutiny of scientific peer-review. Until it has, and it fits in with all other known evidence, it's simply psuedo-science.

Actual evidence of a "great flood" would not be taken lightly (Seeing as how it would contradict everything we already know.), it'd be examined and recorded in genuine scientific journals left right and centre. Finding this same evidence on a scientific site, after having it been peer-reviewed would be smeg easy, if it was factual.*

Nevertheless, I shall read it.

*Oh, and just to add, all evidence goes through this, not just evidence "supporting" creationism.

 

[GuidanceNeeded]

God gave us squat, the knowledge came from people doing the work to gain it.

Ok and I accept your opinion on that matter.

 

[GuidanceNeeded]

How can you possibly debate science when you don't understand the most basic things about it? The answer is that you can't, and you haven't.

"Basic thing" as in me not believing in evolution? I won't apologize for not believing we "originated" from monkeys.

 

[Tenka]

"Basic thing" as in me not believing in evolution? I won't apologize for not believing we "originated" from monkeys.

It isn't a matter of 'not believing', You don't understand what science is, or what a scientific theory is, you don't have an accurate idea of what evolutionary theory describes and predicts.
You can't 'not believe' evolution because you don't even understand what it is you don't believe in for a start.

 

[Hespera]

This was interesting reading materal.

Startling evidence for Noah’s Flood

Thanks for the link. I read most of it, dont have time for all of it now. And it will take longer to examine the various claims. I did notice the use of the (made up) term "evolutionary geologist", which is an off-putter indicating someone has an agenda.

Anyhow, I will read all of it, and see what I think.

 

[Vehementi Dominus]

"Basic thing" as in me not believing in evolution? I won't apologize for not believing we "originated" from monkeys.

Thus, once again, disclosing your lack of understanding on the subject. How can you possibly refute something you don't even understand?

As for the first site, it says how the inclination in the layers of rock were caused by sand dunes. In the videos I posted earlier it explains how inclined rock layers form. It goes into a LOT of detail on how rock layers form. Sand dunes aren't involved.

This is a Christian propaganda site pretending to be scientific, expressing the lack of understanding that can only result from starting with a conclusion and trying to make the evidence fit, rather than collecting the evidence and drawing logical conclusions from it. We have a name for this, it's called psuedo-science. Pretending to be scientific, but not actually scientific.

If it was scientific, then it should be submitted to a geological journal for peer review.

Edit: "I did notice the use of the (made up) term "evolutionary geologist", which is an off-putter indicating someone has an agenda."

I was gonna mention that, and point out that "Evolutionary geologist" just points towards some poor attempt to hide the politically fused reason for writing the whole page. The author clearly has no idea what they're on about, they're just grabbing at a few facts, adding their own half-truthes and lies to make it appear as if a great flood is even plausable, purely to try and confuse and convert people. That's why you can never trust religious propaganda sites. They're far from impartial.

 

[sfs]

"Basic thing" as in me not believing in evolution? I won't apologize for not believing we "originated" from monkeys.

No, basic thing as in you not understanding the science you're rejecting. Which might not be that big a deal if you had stuck with rejecting science because it conflicted with your beliefs about the Bible -- but you decided you wanted to debate evolution on scientific grounds. In that debate, not knowing anything about science is a crippling handicap. That you don't understand science and don't know why your arguments don't make sense, and also have no interest in learning about the subject, make this discussion pointless.

 

[Hespera]

"Basic thing" as in me not believing in evolution? I won't apologize for not believing we "originated" from monkeys.

None of us think we originated form monkeys!

It is true that you dont demonstrate much KNOWLEDGE of science, which is quite a differnt thing from BELIEVING something.

Im not much of a bible scholar. i tend to take the word of people who do know what it says.

 

[GuidanceNeeded]

Ok I'm not a complete idiot, although I know some here beg to differ.

The bottom line is you believe we originated from monkeys, fine. I do grasp the concept of evolution. As far as the complete process, no I can honestly say I am not interested in learning the step-by-step process scientist claim for evolution to take place.

BUT even if you explained to me the step-by-step process of evolution, I still would not believe it. And we all know why.

 

[Assyrian]

Just remember that when you have a headache, they'll drill holes in your skull to release the evil spirits.

Ooh, I don't think that was a trepanation, not unless they carried out trepanations with an axe and were happy to take a chunk of prefrontal lobe along with the headache demons. Don't trepanation scars show holes drilled directly in, or in more primitive operations a # pattern where they sawed in carefully and removed the central square of skull?

 

[GuidanceNeeded]

OK and another thing is if you go back to my FIRST post, my question was "do yo believe we originated from monkeys/apes/chimpanzees.

Most answers were Apes: YES

So do you all not agree on this? To me it seems some of you are contradicting each other.

In addition, the answer "Apes: YES" was the entire basis to my second question I posted on the very first page!

In the first posting I said that if the answer was no, the entire thread would be moot.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ok I'm not a complete idiot, although I know some here beg to differ.

The bottom line is you believe we originated from monkeys, fine. I do grasp the concept of evolution. As far as the complete process, no I can honestly say I am not interested in learning the step-by-step process scientist claim for evolution to take place.

BUT even if you explained to me the step-by-step process of evolution, I still would not believe it. And we all know why.

Sounds to me like you've already found your Source for guidance ---

 

[Mystman]

OK and another thing is if you go back to my FIRST post, my question was "do yo believe we originated from monkeys/apes/chimpanzees.

Most answers were Apes: YES

So do you all not agree on this? To me it seems some of you are contradicting each other.

"monkey" and "ape" are not the same thing.