Evolution Question

[GuidanceNeeded]

Simple yes or no question. If the answer is yes, then I will have a follow up question. If the answer is no, then I have nothing and this thread will be moot.

Evolutionist do you believe humans originated from monkeys/apes/chimpanzees?

Seriously just yes or no, really don't want to discuss the entire evolution process.

Thank you and God Bless

 

[consol]

Simple yes or no question. If the answer is yes, then I will have a follow up question. If the answer is no, then I have nothing and this thread will be moot.

Evolutionist do you believe humans originated from monkeys/apes/chimpanzees?

Seriously just yes or no, really don't want to discuss the entire evolution process.

Thank you and God Bless

Yes we believe we all evolved from apes which happened over millions of years,
all the evidence points to that fact, if however you have evidence to the contrary please present it.
and by the way, 'goddidit' does not constitute evidence.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Yes, we evolved from an ape-like creature. This creature, however, would not necessarily be any closer genetically to a modern chimpanzee than it would be to us, AFAIK. IOW, that ape from whom we descended is not the same ape as a Great Ape, an orangutan, or a chimpanzee.

 

[milkyway]

Simple yes or no question. If the answer is yes, then I will have a follow up question. If the answer is no, then I have nothing and this thread will be moot.

Evolutionist do you believe humans originated from monkeys/apes/chimpanzees?

Seriously just yes or no, really don't want to discuss the entire evolution process.

Thank you and God Bless

Yes, we are all apes and evolved from a common ancestor: the evidence is overwhelming.

 

[Mystman]

Simple yes or no question. If the answer is yes, then I will have a follow up question. If the answer is no, then I have nothing and this thread will be moot.

Evolutionist do you believe humans originated from monkeys/apes/chimpanzees?

Seriously just yes or no, really don't want to discuss the entire evolution process.

Thank you and God Bless

Monkeys: no.
Apes: yes.
Chimpanzees: no.

 

[Naraoia]

Monkeys: depends on how you define "monkey" I'd say yes, but I'm no more right than Mystman.
Apes: yes.
Chimps: no.

Now I'm curious about your follow-up question.

 

[Mystman]

Monkeys: depends on how you define "monkey" I'd say yes, but I'm no more right than Mystman.
Apes: yes.
Chimps: no.

Now I'm curious about your follow-up question.

<staff edit> those pre-Darwin biologists making up names for groups of creatures that are not in fact a group.

 

[FedererFan]

Humans evolved from an Ape-ancestor (not modern day apes).

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Yes: the human species evolved from earlier ape species.

 

[Hespera]

yes, taking into account that people are apes so we are not exactly evolved FROM apes.

 

[Naraoia]

Evolving from apes =/= becoming something other than an ape

 

[Skaloop]

Simple yes or no question. If the answer is yes, then I will have a follow up question. If the answer is no, then I have nothing and this thread will be moot.

Evolutionist do you believe humans originated from monkeys/apes/chimpanzees?

Seriously just yes or no, really don't want to discuss the entire evolution process.

Thank you and God Bless

Basically, yes. We'd have to work out exactly what we're talking about regarding the terms, but regarding the spirit, if not the actual words, of your question, yes.

 

[GuidanceNeeded]

So basically without getting into technicalities, you all say we evolved from apes.

So then the follow up question is, how come we cannot take an organ from an Ape and transplant it into a human?

They say we are VERY closely related to the "Ape Kingdom", for a lack of a better term, but yet we cannot receive organ from them.

 

[Mystman]

So basically without getting into technicalities, you all say we evolved from apes.

So then the follow up question is, how come we cannot take an organ from an Ape and transplant it into a human?

They say we are VERY closely related to the "Ape Kingdom", very a lack of a better term, but yet we cannot receive organ from them.

Source?

From a very quick look at pubmed/wikipedia, it seems that we don't take organs from apes for ethical reasons; raising an ape purely for it's organs is deemed immoral precisely because they resemble us so much.

If you can produce a source that states that we can't accept organs from apes for more practical reasons, I'll try to do a more indepth search proving otherwise ^^

 

[Skaloop]

So basically without getting into technicalities, you all say we evolved from apes.

So then the follow up question is, how come we cannot take an organ from an Ape and transplant it into a human?

They say we are VERY closely related to the "Ape Kingdom", for a lack of a better term, but yet we cannot receive organ from them.

As mentioned, it's not necessarily that we can't accept organs from other apes, but that we don't.

But even if we can't, so what? I'm extremely closely related to my parents and my brother and my cousins, but there's no guarantee that I could receive an organ from any of them.

 

[GuidanceNeeded]

I am trying to research this subject myself.

What made me think of it, is on another forum someone posted they were upset because they were failing their Veterinary Classes. I had mentioned to this person that most of those who want to become Vets end up being doctors. Reason being that there are so many species of animals out there, but the human body is the same for all humans. This is what got me to thinking, well if the claim is that we come from apes, how come we aren't using their organs for transplants.

You can search the ethical reasoning behind this; but they didn't seem to have an ethical issue with attempting to use a pigs organs in humans. You would think they would go to the specie that supposedly is most like humans, right?

Well I can't find (as of yet) where they have attempted to use an Apes organ. I have found that one of the worries about using Apes, monkeys, etc. is the diseases these animals carry and it could invent a new virus among humans.

 

[Ectezus]

Monkeys: no.
Apes: yes.
Chimpanzees: no.

Actually apes are descendant from monkeys as far as I know, so technically we did originate from monkeys.
Then again, we could go a few steps further and say the same thing for fish.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

So then the follow up question is, how come we cannot take an organ from an Ape and transplant it into a human?

They say we are VERY closely related to the "Ape Kingdom", for a lack of a better term, but yet we cannot receive organ from them.

Organ transplant is a very complicated thing (arguably one of the most complicated medical procedures there is). And even among human-to-human transplants, there is the risk of rejection of the new organ and immunosuppressants have to be used to prevent the body from literally killing the new organ.

Once you cross into transplants between species, things get more complicated. That said, I believe there have been various organ transplants done with various species (IIRC, baboons and pigs), and even now scientists are working on creating genetically modified pigs for organ transplants.

But like others have said, there are all sorts of other logistical and ethical implications of such work.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Reason being that there are so many species of animals out there, but the human body is the same for all humans.

The human body is not quite the same, though. This is why organ rejection is a risk even between humans.

You can search the ethical reasoning behind this; but they didn't seem to have an ethical issue with attempting to use a pigs organs in humans. You would think they would go to the specie that supposedly is most like humans, right?

We already use pigs for food, so using them for organs isnt' much of a stretch. There's also the issues with raising them (pigs are easier and cheaper to raise than primates).

 

[AV1611VET]

So then the follow up question is, how come we cannot take an organ from an Ape and transplant it into a human?

From a very quick look at pubmed/wikipedia, it seems that we don't take organs from apes for ethical reasons; raising an ape purely for it's organs is deemed immoral precisely because they resemble us so much.

But like others have said, there are all sorts of other logistical and ethical implications of such work.

Now, all of a sudden, morals and ethics are getting in the way of science?

Her question wasn't --- How's come we don't? --- but, How's come we can't?

Can we --- or can't we?