Evolution is the Great Apostasy

[Bruce D McKay Elijah]

By Bruce D. McKay, Elijah
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The point is, some scients get hooked on "bad" or insoluble puzzles, by accident - and I believe the evolutionists have been all led into this same type of camp, deliberately!

"Driven by persistent curiosity, scientists, via systematic observation and repeated examination of a puzzle, scientists aim to reduce the region of uncertainity in which all antecedents and their linkages reside. Otherwise, we settle for temporary or unreliable solutions that arise from causal first and second looks and the simple cause-effect logic of common-sense explanations - fuzzy antecedents fuzzily linked to each oterh and to fuzzy consquences." (Pike, Sandra W., The Science Game, 5th ed., 1991, pg 17.)​

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Peiper - I believe you have not intended to act in a cowardly way, by not responding and inviting those interested persons who read these posts to ignore what is being said. Even when I was in college, I worked hard on my assignments, tried my best to make good grades, I was never incredibly arrogant or openly disrespectful to any of my professors; nor was I ever thrown out of any classes from the time I started until when I graduated.
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What everyone seems to be missing - tbere are three different levels that enrich our understanding of this world. The first is, observational language, and it focuses on the exposed, currently accessible or "factual" layers of nature. You should note, when I point to a current ocean floor map(!) showing Greenland has stood up on end and moved 300 miles - then that's where I have stationed myself. I am speaking from a level of "observatinal languages." The second, speculative language, focuses on the hidden speculative or the subjective layers of nature. For example, drawing in data from that book from the Apocrypha, The Wisdom of Solomon, and citing that data in terms of it's being a historic record, is clearly at a level of "observatinal languages." But, to say that because the water burst into flames when tossed on a fire, that means that there was a slight change that weakened the hydrogen and oxygen bonds in the water moclues, and that is what allowed the rapid burning or increased flames of the water - that is indeed "speculative." The idea that the waters of the same area became more stickey, and the optical nature changed from normal to the color of blood, or red, because of the same molecular changes, is also "speculative." I mean, just because the Bible and all the other ancient literature of the Jews relate that "the water's all turned to blood," I was not acutally there! So my conveying my idea that the water's were changed due to a change in the bonding of the molecules, is "speculative." Likewise, for me to say that the atoms flattened out, and this allowed them to stack to form two walls of water - and that the waters stacked higher and higher, not unlike a pile after pile of hundreds and even thousands of glass microscope slides all stuck together - this too, on my part, is "speculative."
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What the argument is here, however... is that the scientists, geologists, evolutionists, etc. who have addressed the posts in this forum, are all very well trained in the third detail, which is the "formal language(s)," of scientific inquiry. Much of their lives have been spent on learning how to focus on the logical, mathematical structues or models that scientists use to build formal frameworks, or symbol systems, or other designs of reason used to help link together their observations and speculations, and those are the things that do help them to perdict new observations. A famous example of a formal framework or symbol system is Einstein's speculation that E = MC squared, and these notes are valid and as true as they can be, in that they are all loosely taken from Sandra W. Pike's book, The Science Game, 5th ed., 1991, pg 32.
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So what's actually going on here is all those who oppose what I have been saying are deeply intrenched in their highly impressive, "formal language" skill(s). "You haven't measured a thing!" they charge. "You've only looked at a picture and on the basis of that, you say this and this and this," they complain. Or they may even relate, "You just keep saying the same thing over and over!"
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All that is obviously true! My point is, however, if they will just LET GO of all the "formal language" requirements they are so firmly entrenched in, and then just take a brief walk back, to where I am coming from at the top of paragraph three, then they will find what I have stated is put so very simply - in that it markedly reduces the region of uncertainity in which all their antecedents and their linkages reside! And what is being introduced is not any "formal language" statement, it is more simply, the wide-eyed introduction of a whole new paradigim of nature!
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So, most of what I post is strictly an observational language finding - like when I say that it appears evident to me that NEW MATTER coming up from the mantle in great quantities is evidently able to change the entire strata into a very soft, mud like composition. When I quote from a book, that "Lyell and modern geology acknowledge that the rock layers (around the world!) were soft and plastic in their early stages. (And) With time, and, it is said, pressure, these sediments crystallize (metamorphose) and become hard, solid rock," not spectulative, but "observational," in view of it's being found on page 105 of Ian T. Taylor's, In the Minds of Men. So when I put something like this together, and I relate "Hey! The whole geology of the fossils burried in the rocks of the earth is also explained by the emergence of new matter from the mantle! It turned many areas of the surface into mud or a form of liquid shale, all this actually focuses on the exposed, currently accessible or "factual" layers of nature. Nevertheless, it causes those at the other end of the spectum, at the "formal language" side of things, to all freek out! And the more that a given individual has been trained or brought up in the "formal language" side of things, the more exasperated and the more astounded they actually become!
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It isn't that They Are All Wrong! It isn't that I am 100% Right! What is it? In their eyes, I have nothing in terms of any real "formal language" going on! What they see then, if I include a few lines from some ancient book, or something like a quote by Albert Einstine, such as, "When the solution is simple, God is answering." Alber Einstein (1879-1955), they view this additional "factual" detail mere handwaving. This is the same thing as saying, "you have no scientific basis for what you are saying! Therefore - we are going to hit the reject button!"
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Nevertheless, if what I am saying is of a nature... so that it readily reduces the region of uncertainity in which rests the antecedents and the linkages where the "formal language" camp has laid their greatest claim, THEN IT TRULY CALLS FOR THEM TO REMOUNT THEIR INITIAL FINDINGS OF "OBSERVATIONAL LANGUAGE" AND WHATEVER "SPECTULATIVE" DESIGNS THAT NOW INJURED CONCEPT MIGHT ACTUALLY HOLD!
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In other words, if I point out to you that Lyell, a lawer by profession and he had "no training in mechanics or the strength of materials," and he called in an "engineer." Then "the very fundamental fact was pointed out to him that crystalline materials such as rokc or concrete have great compressive strength by virtually no strength in tension." Then he was told, for every layer of rock in compression, there must be an equal and opposite layer of rock in tension... and an anticline the bent outside layers of the rock were in tension but are forced to be generally UNFRACTURED and in many places NOT EVEN CRACKED. Note: these details are from Taylor, Ian T, In the Minds of Men, 2nd ed., 1951, pg 105. (So far all this is "factual language.") Then these entire strata, fossils and all, were at one time rapidly deposited in a consistancy of wet cement or wetter - due to the release of new matter from within the mantle. ("Speculative") And as the new water molecules from the mantle rapidly move out, most probably being driven by heat into returning to regular water molecules, as we know of them today, that is when many, or all of these various sedementar layers all over the world, very rapidly, harden and metamorphosed into hard solid rock! ("Seculative.") But Lyell required long, long periods of time - based on his (wrong) a prior asssumption that the natural laws as operating today have not changed. ("Observational!")
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Now. Instead of jumping up on your "formal logic" platforms, why don't you fellows just calm down and perhaps give a little thought to the idea of just going ahead and kicking down the doors of that spiritual city of Babylon in which you've been held captive for so long. Rather than sit there and stew and complain, and try to get me thrown off - maybe you could just as well say "this guy may be right! Maybe we should try to put some of our 'formal languages' into effect - and in the process, just go ahead and blow the whole theory of evolution into a million pieces! Just so you know, and this is merely "observational" on my part, in the 18th chapter of Revelation it tells of the great city of Babylon having fallen, "for her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquites."(Rev 18:5) In that regard the scriptures also direct this message to you - "Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works; in the cup which she hath filled, fill to her double." It's "pay back time!"
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In closing, I would add one of my nicknames given to me has been Papa Hemingway, and I have only tried to do just as Ernest Hemingway once wrote. He said, "My aim is to put down on paper what I see and what I feel in my heart and in the simplest way." And remember, if you can't stand the noise or the organ grinder's tune, it isn't any reason to attack the monkey! And, never, never, never insult an aligator - until you've gotten across to the other shore!
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Elijah

 

[USincognito]

You know, now that my eyes have been opened to the Truth... he's finally making sense. The rest of you guys should try it. The Discernment of the Spirit is like an acid trip. And I'm not just talking about the colors of D'Elijah's posts.

 

[Data]

One teacher asked me to stand up in front of the entire class and explain to them, why, in the future, no one whould ever need to learn how to spell. I did, and I immediately perdicted the "marriage of TV and the electric typewriter" or what is now the computer.

This is quite possibly the most ironic statement I have ever heard.

 

[rudenski]

Quote: "most of what I post is strictly an observational language finding - like when I say that it appears evident to me that NEW MATTER coming up from the mantle in great quantities is evidently able to change the entire strata into a very soft, mud like composition. When I quote from a book, that "Lyell and modern geology acknowledge that the rock layers (around the world!) were soft and plastic in their early stages. (And) With time, and, it is said, pressure, these sediments crystallize (metamorphose) and become hard, solid rock," not spectulative, but "observational," in view of it's being found on page 105 of Ian T. Taylor's, In the Minds of Men. So when I put something like this together, and I relate "Hey! The whole geology of the fossils burried in the rocks of the earth is also explained by the emergence of new matter from the mantle! It turned many areas of the surface into mud or a form of liquid shale, all this actually focuses on the exposed, currently accessible or "factual" layers of nature. Nevertheless, it causes those at the other end of the spectum, at the "formal language" side of things, to all freek out! And the more that a given individual has been trained or brought up in the "formal language" side of things, the more exasperated and the more astounded they actually become!@

 

[orange]

There is not any necessity of the Evolutionism when there is true Creation.

 

[rudenski]

More Evidence to reject the psuedo-science evolution anti-theology

 

[einstein314emc2]

Quote: "most of what I post is strictly an observational language finding - like when I say that it appears evident to me that NEW MATTER coming up from the mantle in great quantities is evidently able to change the entire strata into a very soft, mud like composition. When I quote from a book, that "Lyell and modern geology acknowledge that the rock layers (around the world!) were soft and plastic in their early stages. (And) With time, and, it is said, pressure, these sediments crystallize (metamorphose) and become hard, solid rock," not spectulative, but "observational," in view of it's being found on page 105 of Ian T. Taylor's, In the Minds of Men. So when I put something like this together, and I relate "Hey! The whole geology of the fossils burried in the rocks of the earth is also explained by the emergence of new matter from the mantle! It turned many areas of the surface into mud or a form of liquid shale, all this actually focuses on the exposed, currently accessible or "factual" layers of nature. Nevertheless, it causes those at the other end of the spectum, at the "formal language" side of things, to all freek out! And the more that a given individual has been trained or brought up in the "formal language" side of things, the more exasperated and the more astounded they actually become!@

liquefaction is not new matter coming from the mantle (see rudenski's attached picture).

To understand liquefaction, it is important to recognize the conditions that exist in a soil deposit before an earthquake. A soil deposit consists of an assemblage of individual soil particles. If we look closely at these particles, we can see that each particle is in contact with a number of neighboring particles. The weight of the overlying soil particles produce contact forces between the particles - these forces hold individual particles in place and give the soil its strength.


Liquefaction occurs when the structure of a loose, saturated sand breaks down due to some rapidly applied loading. As the structure breaks down, the loosely-packed individual soil particles attempt to move into a denser configuration. In an earthquake, however, there is not enough time for the water in the pores of the soil to be squeezed out. Instead, the water is "trapped" and prevents the soil particles from moving closer together. This is accompanied by an increase in water pressure which reduces the contact forces between the individual soil particles, thereby softening and weakening the soil deposit.
Observe how small the contact forces are because of the high water pressure. In an extreme case, the porewater pressure may become so high that many of the soil particles lose contact with each other. In such cases, the soil will have very little strength, and will behave more like a liquid than a solid - hence, the name "liquefaction".

http://www.ce.washington.edu/~liquefaction/html/why/why1.html

 

[Bruce D McKay Elijah]

Here Are The Latest Findings on Unexplained Extinctions Taking Place
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Please LOOK at how THEIR SYSTEM OF LOGIC affects them, and what it causes them to address as the most probable cause! Note: If you aren't telling "all your friends" to come here and to take a look at this web site - what do you think they are going to say to you when they find out about it from someone else!
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Two new studies published this week in Science that show steep
declines in bird, butterfly and plant populations across Great
Britain provide the strongest proof yet that we are in the midst of
the sixth great extinction of life.​

The British analyzed six surveys covering virtually all of their
native species populations over the last 40 years. They discovered
birds and native plants had declined 54 percent and 28 percent
respectively while butterflies experienced a shocking 71 percent
decrease.​

According to scientists, there have been five prior mass extinctions
in the past 450 million years. The last was 65 million years ago, when
the dinosaurs and tens of thousands of species disappeared, likely
as a result of a comet or large asteroid hitting the Earth.​

There's no great mystery about the cause of the sixth extinction.
Humans have dramatically altered the ecosystems of the Earth, says
Stuart Pimm, a leading conservation biologist at Duke University.​

Wired News: What's the significance of this new British research?​

Stuart Pimm: It's the first comprehensive look at all species in
one location. It's also the first to survey insects. Up till now we've had
a good handle on the status of only few species such as birds. We know
they're in decline globally and that 11 percent of all birds are extinct or
will soon be. But we could only guess at what was happening to the vast
majority of species.​

However, based on the enormous amounts of natural habitat such as
rainforest that's been lost, we extrapolated that they were in decline.​

This study goes a long way to confirm what we expected. It's also a
strong argument to counter those who deny that we are in the midst of
a massive extinction of life forms.​

WN: Any surprises?​

Pimm: The fact that butterflies were declining faster than birds was
surprising. It may mean that the little things are in more trouble
than the big.​

WN: What will the world be like in the future if this extinction continues?​

Pimm: By 2050, between 25 percent and 50 percent of all species will
have disappeared or be too few in numbers to survive. There'll be a few
over-visited parks, the coral reefs will be beaten up, grasslands overgrazed.
Vast areas of the tropics that have lost their forests will have the same
**** weeds, bushes and scrawny eucalyptus trees so that you don't know
if you're in Africa or the Americas.​

Without its natural diversity the world will be a poorer place. It
will be boring.​

Besides the amenities that people love about the natural world,
we will also lose the services it provides. Nearby forests provide the
clean,
untreated drinking water of two of the world's great cities, New York
City and Rio de Janeiro​

WN: What can be done to slow the rate of species loss?​

Pimm: We have to stop doing stupid things like subsidizing economically
and ecologically damaging activities. For example, the global
fish catch is worth about $50 billion at the dock, but government
subsidies to the fishing industry amount to $100 billion.​

The Florida Everglades are in trouble because we prop up the sugar
industry, which spews huge amounts of nitrogen, phosphorus and other
chemicals into it. We pay higher sugar prices, we pay to clean their
mess and we lose the natural amenities of the Everglades. That's a
stupid thing and we should change it.​

Tax subsidies are also responsible for much of the clear-cutting that
goes on in the Amazon rainforest. And we have to stop selling off
natural resources like the Tongass National Forest for 5 cents on the
dollar.​

We have to be smart, be informed and understand where the connections are. ​

WN: What do you think the future will bring?​

Pimm: Actually I am optimistic about slowing the rate of extinctions.
These are not unmanageable problems. Tropical forest deforestation
could be almost entirely stopped by buying out the logging permits.
It would cost $5 billion, which is a lot of money, but not an
enormous amount.​

The mismanagement of the global fishing industry could be fixed
fairly easily and would save governments money.​

There are lots of big things that could be done right away to help
keep the world a more enjoyable place. And that's the kind of world
people want to live in.​

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Story location:
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,62735,00.html​

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Submitted by Bruce D. McKay, Elijah

 

[Bruce D McKay Elijah]

I believe the above news report would be FAR MORE SCIENTIFIC if the scientists did not regard nature's changes as strictly due to economic trends.
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To be accurate, that reported just above might read something like this:
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This is the strongest proof yet that we are in the midst of the sixth great extinction of life. Not only are the polar ice caps actually melting, some say due to changes in the state of our atmosphere and the proportion of various gasses, but it is now evident that all living matter is also breaking down; it (the matter that composes living things) is evidently coming under the same unseen attack. The British analyzed six surveys covering virtually all of their native species populations over the last 40 years. They discovered birds and native plants had declined 54 percent and 28 percent respectively while butterflies experienced a shocking 71 percent decrease.
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Nevertheless, researchers who have never heard of a RAPID chanage in molecular forces, now attribute such changes to economic and industrial trends! It is difficult for them to grasp the concept that this world is in a rapid state of change, due to new matter being released from the mantle. They demand scientific proof - yet they believe the earth entered into a PERIOD OF EXTINCTIONS happened . . . about 65 million years ago! That kind of thinking is finaly causing many persons to ask, "what kind of 'belief system' is that!"
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They "all believe it" and so, like the leaders of the pre-revolutionary colonies that once met and formed the United States of America, they all tend to follow in those trends and ideas, as if knowing that the massive extinction of so many species did happen "65 million years ago!"
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But if it was not at all "long ago," and "not millions of years ago," like all the scientists think(!) then the whole theory of evolution is just another one of those "damnable heresies" as the Bible warns all mankind about, in Second Peter, Chapter two. More scientifically - IF WE BASE EVERTHING right here, on current facts, in the "right here and now" what is currently happening is - the mantle is actually heating up and the ice caps at both poles are rapidly melting!

.Hence, we (all the world) can, and we frankly must say good by to all the previous concepts of the ice ages - and all those ideas which were entrenched in there being "a vast time frame."

"The widespread and rapid movement of new matter from the mantle of this earth, utterly and completely explains everything that has thus far been attributed to any vast span of geological time!" Bruce D. McKay, Elijah April 3, 2004​

Moreover, all this, (i.e., all that which has happened in the past) would at first involve the un-noticed release of new matter, and what would change first would of course be the atmosphere, and so many less noted, atmospheric changes would take place. Note: Is this not just as the scientists and everyone else has been babbling about, and miss-explaining, in the context of a new "green house effect!" Such changes would thereby solve a great mystery - as they render a number of other changes, all part of that script that would clearly explain a time - (quote) "when the dinosaurs and tens of thousands of species disappeared." And measurment of the modern-day outcome being, in the same context, (as found in Britian) that our modern day birds, finds that they have declined 54 pecent, native plants have declined 28 percent and this is why the even more sensitive butterflies experienced a shocking 71 percent decrease. We need only to see the overall causes of such changes emerge in a more concrete fashion!
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So, is it true that our modern day Geologists have all been missled, or actually led around by the nose, by the well entrenched evolutionist camp or not? They maintain that the extinctions are hard to deal with, but they have ALL BEEN EXPLAINED AWAY ever since the scientific community decided it was (quote) "likely as a result of a comet or large asteroid hitting the Earth."
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From this point of view, The Entire System of Logic can be compared TO MEASURING THE MELTING OF THE POLAR ICE CAPS IN CONSIDERATION OF THE WATER RISING ONLY AN INCH - WITHOUT EVER THINKING ABOUT THE NECESSITY OF MEASURING THE AMOUNT OF WEIGHT OF THAT VOLUME OF WATER!

.You can hold on to one set of conclusions, that the water is only going to rise this much or just this much over the next fifty years! Or you might want to stop and consider how much WEIGHT is going to be displaced or moved from where it has been located for so long! Note: the one perspective does in every way, give every idea of a slow and gradual change - while the other speaks of immediate and massive changes taking place. And if the movement of that much weight changes the orbital spin, or some massive break off takes place so as to simply jolt the entire polar region, that might well become reflected in the spin of the earth, so as to introuce a vast amount of shaking all over the entire planet. Such an event would, understandably, be followed by the release of new matter in vast amounts - and so this does appear to be the true basis of each new, so-called, geological age.
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Thus, it looks like it is indeed, high time, for the entire world to wake up, get together, and start taking a good hard look at the real facts of the matter. On a historic basis (casting of the falsity of a vast geological time frame,) many of the details about what has happened to this planet are found in Immanuel Velikovsky's book, Words In Colision. And yet incredulous as this may seem, even the book by Velikovsky and the same basic "comet conclusions" as you read about above - are also often found to be frowned upon by many in the staunch, scientific camp!
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The great need is that the whole world wake up and that all men begin to open their eyes! We need only to see the overall causes of such changes emerge in a more concrete fashion - and it is evident, no one will see it until it pounces! Someone once said, "Death comes with a crawl, or sometimes with a pounce." Surely, if the geologists and the evolutionists, and the scientific camp in general, has this fact all wrong about the last extinction happeing some 65 million years ago, then the whole system of logic that supports evolution is a veritable hoax. And that means, in light of the extinctions now occurring and the melt down of the polar ice caps . . . as the old song goes, "Nobodly knows the troubles we're all going to see! Nobody knows but Jesus!" In conclusion, within days, a few short months, or even a few years - it now appears that the vastness of God's creation will begin to be renewed once more, and perhaps, in striking contrast, as rapidly as one element at a time.

Submitted by Bruce D. McKay, Elijah

 

[Bruce D McKay Elijah]

The same names are showing up in various evolution forums, with the same kind of pointless chin dribble going on. Please click on this thread, if you would like to see the message that was sent relative to another evolution debate in Christian Forums.

http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=2151955#post2151955

Also click on http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=2154142#post2154142 for . . .
ORIGINS - "THE BEAST" CODE WORD!

Elijah

 

[orange]

We must fight against the mafia not agains evolutionism, because there is not such science.

 

[Drotar]

Trying to make the blind that refuse to see open their eyes is greatly overstated as important...We all can only do what we are called by God to do and let the Holy Spirit Lead men to the truth..

You're my hero.

 

[orange]

See how evolutionists are acting.
1856. An Armenian teenager, Haji Yearman, and his father supposedly took three scientists into Noah’s Ark. The scientists did not want the Bible proven and therefore ordered Haji and father under threat of death to keep quiet about the Ark. Yearman eventually moved to America and told the story to a Seventh Day Adventist pastor Harold H Williams in 1920 when 82 years old.
1952. George Jefferson Greene, an American mining engineer, claimed he photographed the Ark from a distance of 100 feet during reconnaissance by helicopter. Greene was murdered in Guyana in 1962. The alleged photos were lost but Cummings has interviewed people who claimed they saw them.

 

[Just An Atheist]

If you know where to dive in the Loch Ness, you can find the tunnel to the secret pool where the CIA keeps Nessie locked up most of the time. The scientists that watch her are the same ones that investigated the UFO crash in Roswell. Since the scientists are getting older now, you might be able to get yourself a spot. Just follow the black helicopters next time you see them.

 

[notto]

See how evolutionists are acting.
1856. An Armenian teenager, Haji Yearman, and his father supposedly took three scientists into Noah’s Ark. The scientists did not want the Bible proven and therefore ordered Haji and father under threat of death to keep quiet about the Ark.

Quite an accomplishment for 'evolutionists' because Origin of a Species wasn't published until 1859.

 

[Patdoggydogg]

I'm confused by the thread title, since that article appears to have absolutely nothing to do with evolution.

Agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This article mainly talks about creationolism...

I can give you a longer article that talks about evolution (which is a proven fact..go ask any scientist) but im not going to because noone would read it

 

[Patdoggydogg]

Quite an accomplishment for 'evolutionists' because Origin of a Species wasn't published until 1859.

lol, ya...sry there man, but notto just destroyed your claime..

 

[orange]

May be mafia was befor that? Didn't you can think?

 

[frugiture]

May be mafia was befor that? Didn't you can think?

Impossible. The Tommy Gun wasn't invented until around 1920. There can't be a mafia without the Tommy Gun. Everyone knows this.

 

[einstein314emc2]

May be mafia was befor that? Didn't you can think?

Yeah... Galileo and Copernicus were the leaders of the heliocentric mafia.