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Evolution is the Great Apostasy
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Do you have any response to Captain_Jack_Sparrow's calculations?
I do not see the relevance of this quote.Bruce D McKay said:
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Bruce D McKay said:
Rejections noted but apparently not understood.
Whatever!
I suggest instead of pattern matching akin to kindergarten collages you might want to study some basic physics. Otherwise it would be best to accept your official membership of crankdom.
This is what always amazes me about this way out crank hypotheses like yours. You go off on some tangent in a blind frenzy without even thinking of the basics that completely destroy any chance you are right. Another pattern I commonly see is that almost all creators of these whacky theories are over the age of 55.
Is it just retirement boredom setting in and the afternoon soaps don't cut it anymore?
So you just dream up science fiction by staring at a map - forgetting that good science fiction at least should get the basic science fact correct.
Oh well. Better luck on your next theory.
PS
Please don't introduce that cancer stuff from your website - it seems cranky as well from a cursory inspection.
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hmm... maybe greenland was hit by a tachyon pulse. or failing that, an inverse tachyon pulse (after realigning the deflector dish, that usually works)
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I believe your approach is anchored in physics - and the if the whole spectrum of matter changed, then so would any caculations, of necessity. In other words, the calculations are fitted, relativity-wise, to the current matrix only.
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Let's take a look at the water molecule, for example. If it was as the ancients explained in the book of wisdom, then the whole spectrum of matter changes. For example, they say that "water forgot it's quenching nature." That is, if they threw water on a fire, instead of putting the fire out, it only "added to the flames." What the heck is that? I would say, it means the hydrogen and the oxygen molecules did not absorb heat, as they usually do. That's a fair evaluation. In fact, I would say, the hydrogen and the oxygen atoms moved a little further apart than they normally are. Hence, once they moved further apart, when thrown upon a fire, then they even burned or even exploded in a flash! If this concept or theory is true, it is probable that we would possibly even see fire among rain drops or even hail!
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Now, if this is true, then the whole basis of logic is in error as to the dynamic stability of the periodic table of the elements. What I mean by this is, everything may be solid as it is now, but I think there is also a state of matter that no body has ever taken into account! Or, you can put it another way, which is, if enough new matter is added, and that matter is moving from a highly compressed state in the mantle - where it in effect is able to freely combine with the otherwise stable matter of the earth's crust - then there must be a transfer of energy of a sort that no man has ever previously realized as being present, or available. That enegy, would obviously be, the bond altering energy of compression. The super compressed matter, in other words, rapidly releases that energy, and if that is true it would transfer among the atoms in a process which moved through the gasses first, to the more firmer or harder element bonds, and in the final phases, to the water and oxygen bondings. The water molecules would end up taking up most of that energy, in that they are said to be among the most flexible of all bonds. Now if this is ture or not, you can judge for yourself by the following:
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For one, The Wisdom of Solomon addresses "the beginning and end and middle of periods of time, the alternations of solstices and changes of the seasons, the cycles of the years and the positions of the stars, etc." (Wis 7-18,19) And the note: "...the calculations of mortals are timid, and our designs are likely to fail, for a perishable body weighs down the soul, and its earthly ten burdens the thoughtful mind (so that) we can hardlly guess at things upon the earth, and we have hard work (just) finding (reason among) the things that are just at hand."(Wis 9:13-15)
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"Persued by unusual rains and hairstorms and relentless showers, and utterly consumed by fire, FOR, STRANGEST OF ALL, ON THE WATER, WHICH QUENCHES EVERY THING, THE FIRE HAD THE GREATER EFFECT,"(Wis 16:17) "and again IT BLAZED UP IN THE MIDST OF THE WATER, WITH MORE THAN FIREY POWER,"(Wis 16:19.) "But SNOW AND ICE ENDURED WITOUT MELTING," ...(fire) Blazing in the hail, and flashing in the rain."(Wis 16:22) Now if these things truly happened(!) obviously the entire spectrum of matter was undergoing a change. Moreover, if all this is indeed true, it would of course it would of necessity be such a thing as to reach or bridge through the entire spectrum of matter and energy, all the way up to the level of microwaves and x-rays - passing through and/or otherwise including even the visible spectrum of light. On this, we must agree. If such a thing did happen, that is, if such a "theory" were indeed true, then that same energy would even have to "rock," the visible spectrum of light!
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Now if we agree on that, when we look at the details in the Wisdom of Solomon, I think it what they were referring to is just that - were it says they all became then, "Prisoners of darkness and captives of the long night!"(Wis 17:3) If I am not mistaken then, this fully explains what the ancients referred to as "a plague of darkness." Wrong? Let me put it this way... "no fire was strong enough to succeed in giving them light,"(Wis 16:5.) Well, you might ask, what about the light from the stars? With the whole area above them also abuzz with this kind of a release of energy, they reported "...nor could the bright flames of the stars undertake to illumine that hateful night!" And the wicked "died of fright! refusing to look even upon the air, which could not be escaped on any side."(Wis 17:10) "Driven by monstorus phantoms, and now paralyzed by their soul's surrender."(Wis 17:15) "For they were all bound with one chain of dakness."(Wis 17:17)
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So you can see, the whole geological time scale falls - if molecular forces were undertaking such a deviant turn. Moreover, any formulation of weight and energy spent, etc., would only be applicable to the matrix as we now experience it. Overall, such an approach as trying to caculate how much energy it would take to lift Greenland, can only be true under circumstances wherein matter remains within some given range of fixed focus. With there being a vast amount of energy pouring out, however, as mentioned earlier, it would of course rattle the very atmospheric contents, down to the thickest hardest rocks and ores. And yes, even Greenland would rattle under circumstances like these! And there was, a RAPIDLY progressing series of changs in the state of nature, is exactly what they heard... for it started as "a whistling wind," went to "a melodious sound of birds in spreading branches," to "the regular noise of rusing waters," and then the sounds of avalanches "or a harsh crashing of rocks thrown down." By the time it moved into the heaver clays and other strata, the whole place roared "like the running of bounding animals," and then, "the sound of the most savage beasts roaring!" All this also, with echoes, as if "thrown back (and forth) from a hollow in the mountains." And then "the whole world was bathed in bright light."(Wis 17:20)
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So here, you can see a small piece of exactly what happenes at the close of one geological age and the opening of the next. Granted, you may thumb your nose at all this, and say "it just isn't so," while you do all your math. But this is a well perserved historic record, and it clearly states - "they deserved to be deprived of light and imprisoned in darkness."(Wis 18:4) MOREOVER I CAN PROVE TO YOU THAT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS, NOT ONLY ON EARTH, BUT ON OTHER PLANETS AS WELL!
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Just look at what happens to water. We know that water is composed of atoms with both a positive and a negative charge. Obviously, if the right kind of energy were collected by the water molecules (as stated at the top of this brief report) if the energy level just kept on increasing and increasing, it could conceivably cause all the positive molecules to move in one direction, say to the left, and all the negative molecules would likewise, move to the right. Now let's look at this factor too. Such an extreme force could also change the shape of each water molecule, and the manner in which they bind together would also be spontaneously affected. In other words, if all this is true, then the water molecules might even stack up, rather than being so loosely associated. NOW IF YOU REALLY WANT TO SEE A MIRICALE this is the part where "the Lord said unto Moses, 'Wherefore criest thou unto me? Speak unto the children of Israel, that they go forward! But lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it, and the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea." Now there's a REAL MIRACLE for you! You can even see how it happened, and all the math in the world isn't going to even begin to touch it! "Thus, the Lord saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians!" (Ex 14:31)
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In that you and many others been taught that the overturning of the elements is a slow and stady process, only unfolding over millions upon millions of years, you are possibly also unaware that in the real world, "the traditions of many people persist that seas were torn apart and their water heaped high and thrown upon the continents."(Velikovsky, Immanuel, Worlds In Collision, Doubleday, pg 71.) The Chinese record "the sun did not go down for ten days, the world was in flames, and 'in their vast extent,' the waters 'over-topped the great heights, threatening the heavens with their floods.'" I would take this to mean, simply, that rather suddenly, the water molecules "stacked up." In Asia, "the water of the ocean was heaped up and cast upon the continent... ...a great tidal wave swept over the mountains and broke in the middle of the Chinese Empire."
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"The traditions of the people of Peru tell that for a period of time, equal to five days and five nights, the sun was not in the sky, and then the ocean left the shore and with a terrible din, broke over the continent; the entire surface of the earth was changed in this catastrophy."
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And while the geologists claim that the Grand Canyon in North America took millions of millions of years to be formed - "the Choctaw Indians of Oklahoma relate: "THE EARTH WAS PLUNGED INTO DARKNESS FOR A LONG TIME. FINALLY A BRIGHT LIGHT APPEARED IN THE NORTH, 'BUT IT WAS A (WALL 0F) MOUNTAIN-HIGH WAVES, COMING NEARER."(These quotes are also from Velikovsky, pg. 71 and 72.) So it is in the Septagint (translation of the Bible) that the water stood "as a wall," and the Koran, referring to this event says, "like mountains," and in the old rabbinical literature it is said that teh waters were suspended as if they were "glass, solid, and massive."
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Still don't believe it? Well, "the commentator Rashi, guided by the grammatical structure of the sentence in the Book of Exodus, explained with Mechilta: "THE WATERS OF ALL THEOCEANS AND SEAS WAS DIVIDED!" Still don't believe it! Well what do you think would happen, if something like this began to take place and it didn't somehow stop or get "turned off?" The answer the clear. The stacking would simply climb and climb, higher and higher, until the mass of it began to lift off from the very surface of the planet! Impossible? I think not. Just take a look at, Saturn and make a good note of what you see. Evidently, the same kind of thing happens, even on other planets.
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So this is why I believe all the geologists are wrong when it comes to evolution. The approach being used, like your math, is anchored in the physics of today, and such an approach is clearly full of holes and in error if the very state of nature moves through a rather sudden state of flux at the end of each age. Clearly, if the whole spectrum of matter changed, then so would any caculations, of necessity. And clearly, the events explain by the process of evolution, as taking millions and millions of years, all fall under this same heading. In other words I must most respectfully maintain, as I wrote in the opening lines, that your calculations are fitted, relativity-wise, to the current matrix only.
Sincerely yours,
Bruce D. McKay, Elijah
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Let's take a look at the water molecule, for example. If it was as the ancients explained in the book of wisdom, then the whole spectrum of matter changes. For example, they say that "water forgot it's quenching nature." That is, if they threw water on a fire, instead of putting the fire out, it only "added to the flames." What the heck is that? I would say, it means the hydrogen and the oxygen molecules did not absorb heat, as they usually do. That's a fair evaluation. In fact, I would say, the hydrogen and the oxygen atoms moved a little further apart than they normally are. Hence, once they moved further apart, when thrown upon a fire, then they even burned or even exploded in a flash! If this concept or theory is true, it is probable that we would possibly even see fire among rain drops or even hail!
.
Now, if this is true, then the whole basis of logic is in error as to the dynamic stability of the periodic table of the elements. What I mean by this is, everything may be solid as it is now, but I think there is also a state of matter that no body has ever taken into account! Or, you can put it another way, which is, if enough new matter is added, and that matter is moving from a highly compressed state in the mantle - where it in effect is able to freely combine with the otherwise stable matter of the earth's crust - then there must be a transfer of energy of a sort that no man has ever previously realized as being present, or available. That enegy, would obviously be, the bond altering energy of compression. The super compressed matter, in other words, rapidly releases that energy, and if that is true it would transfer among the atoms in a process which moved through the gasses first, to the more firmer or harder element bonds, and in the final phases, to the water and oxygen bondings. The water molecules would end up taking up most of that energy, in that they are said to be among the most flexible of all bonds. Now if this is ture or not, you can judge for yourself by the following:
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For one, The Wisdom of Solomon addresses "the beginning and end and middle of periods of time, the alternations of solstices and changes of the seasons, the cycles of the years and the positions of the stars, etc." (Wis 7-18,19) And the note: "...the calculations of mortals are timid, and our designs are likely to fail, for a perishable body weighs down the soul, and its earthly ten burdens the thoughtful mind (so that) we can hardlly guess at things upon the earth, and we have hard work (just) finding (reason among) the things that are just at hand."(Wis 9:13-15)
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"Persued by unusual rains and hairstorms and relentless showers, and utterly consumed by fire, FOR, STRANGEST OF ALL, ON THE WATER, WHICH QUENCHES EVERY THING, THE FIRE HAD THE GREATER EFFECT,"(Wis 16:17) "and again IT BLAZED UP IN THE MIDST OF THE WATER, WITH MORE THAN FIREY POWER,"(Wis 16:19.) "But SNOW AND ICE ENDURED WITOUT MELTING," ...(fire) Blazing in the hail, and flashing in the rain."(Wis 16:22) Now if these things truly happened(!) obviously the entire spectrum of matter was undergoing a change. Moreover, if all this is indeed true, it would of course it would of necessity be such a thing as to reach or bridge through the entire spectrum of matter and energy, all the way up to the level of microwaves and x-rays - passing through and/or otherwise including even the visible spectrum of light. On this, we must agree. If such a thing did happen, that is, if such a "theory" were indeed true, then that same energy would even have to "rock," the visible spectrum of light!
.
Now if we agree on that, when we look at the details in the Wisdom of Solomon, I think it what they were referring to is just that - were it says they all became then, "Prisoners of darkness and captives of the long night!"(Wis 17:3) If I am not mistaken then, this fully explains what the ancients referred to as "a plague of darkness." Wrong? Let me put it this way... "no fire was strong enough to succeed in giving them light,"(Wis 16:5.) Well, you might ask, what about the light from the stars? With the whole area above them also abuzz with this kind of a release of energy, they reported "...nor could the bright flames of the stars undertake to illumine that hateful night!" And the wicked "died of fright! refusing to look even upon the air, which could not be escaped on any side."(Wis 17:10) "Driven by monstorus phantoms, and now paralyzed by their soul's surrender."(Wis 17:15) "For they were all bound with one chain of dakness."(Wis 17:17)
.
So you can see, the whole geological time scale falls - if molecular forces were undertaking such a deviant turn. Moreover, any formulation of weight and energy spent, etc., would only be applicable to the matrix as we now experience it. Overall, such an approach as trying to caculate how much energy it would take to lift Greenland, can only be true under circumstances wherein matter remains within some given range of fixed focus. With there being a vast amount of energy pouring out, however, as mentioned earlier, it would of course rattle the very atmospheric contents, down to the thickest hardest rocks and ores. And yes, even Greenland would rattle under circumstances like these! And there was, a RAPIDLY progressing series of changs in the state of nature, is exactly what they heard... for it started as "a whistling wind," went to "a melodious sound of birds in spreading branches," to "the regular noise of rusing waters," and then the sounds of avalanches "or a harsh crashing of rocks thrown down." By the time it moved into the heaver clays and other strata, the whole place roared "like the running of bounding animals," and then, "the sound of the most savage beasts roaring!" All this also, with echoes, as if "thrown back (and forth) from a hollow in the mountains." And then "the whole world was bathed in bright light."(Wis 17:20)
.
So here, you can see a small piece of exactly what happenes at the close of one geological age and the opening of the next. Granted, you may thumb your nose at all this, and say "it just isn't so," while you do all your math. But this is a well perserved historic record, and it clearly states - "they deserved to be deprived of light and imprisoned in darkness."(Wis 18:4) MOREOVER I CAN PROVE TO YOU THAT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS, NOT ONLY ON EARTH, BUT ON OTHER PLANETS AS WELL!
.
Just look at what happens to water. We know that water is composed of atoms with both a positive and a negative charge. Obviously, if the right kind of energy were collected by the water molecules (as stated at the top of this brief report) if the energy level just kept on increasing and increasing, it could conceivably cause all the positive molecules to move in one direction, say to the left, and all the negative molecules would likewise, move to the right. Now let's look at this factor too. Such an extreme force could also change the shape of each water molecule, and the manner in which they bind together would also be spontaneously affected. In other words, if all this is true, then the water molecules might even stack up, rather than being so loosely associated. NOW IF YOU REALLY WANT TO SEE A MIRICALE this is the part where "the Lord said unto Moses, 'Wherefore criest thou unto me? Speak unto the children of Israel, that they go forward! But lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it, and the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea." Now there's a REAL MIRACLE for you! You can even see how it happened, and all the math in the world isn't going to even begin to touch it! "Thus, the Lord saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians!" (Ex 14:31)
.
In that you and many others been taught that the overturning of the elements is a slow and stady process, only unfolding over millions upon millions of years, you are possibly also unaware that in the real world, "the traditions of many people persist that seas were torn apart and their water heaped high and thrown upon the continents."(Velikovsky, Immanuel, Worlds In Collision, Doubleday, pg 71.) The Chinese record "the sun did not go down for ten days, the world was in flames, and 'in their vast extent,' the waters 'over-topped the great heights, threatening the heavens with their floods.'" I would take this to mean, simply, that rather suddenly, the water molecules "stacked up." In Asia, "the water of the ocean was heaped up and cast upon the continent... ...a great tidal wave swept over the mountains and broke in the middle of the Chinese Empire."
.
"The traditions of the people of Peru tell that for a period of time, equal to five days and five nights, the sun was not in the sky, and then the ocean left the shore and with a terrible din, broke over the continent; the entire surface of the earth was changed in this catastrophy."
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And while the geologists claim that the Grand Canyon in North America took millions of millions of years to be formed - "the Choctaw Indians of Oklahoma relate: "THE EARTH WAS PLUNGED INTO DARKNESS FOR A LONG TIME. FINALLY A BRIGHT LIGHT APPEARED IN THE NORTH, 'BUT IT WAS A (WALL 0F) MOUNTAIN-HIGH WAVES, COMING NEARER."(These quotes are also from Velikovsky, pg. 71 and 72.) So it is in the Septagint (translation of the Bible) that the water stood "as a wall," and the Koran, referring to this event says, "like mountains," and in the old rabbinical literature it is said that teh waters were suspended as if they were "glass, solid, and massive."
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Still don't believe it? Well, "the commentator Rashi, guided by the grammatical structure of the sentence in the Book of Exodus, explained with Mechilta: "THE WATERS OF ALL THEOCEANS AND SEAS WAS DIVIDED!" Still don't believe it! Well what do you think would happen, if something like this began to take place and it didn't somehow stop or get "turned off?" The answer the clear. The stacking would simply climb and climb, higher and higher, until the mass of it began to lift off from the very surface of the planet! Impossible? I think not. Just take a look at, Saturn and make a good note of what you see. Evidently, the same kind of thing happens, even on other planets.
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So this is why I believe all the geologists are wrong when it comes to evolution. The approach being used, like your math, is anchored in the physics of today, and such an approach is clearly full of holes and in error if the very state of nature moves through a rather sudden state of flux at the end of each age. Clearly, if the whole spectrum of matter changed, then so would any caculations, of necessity. And clearly, the events explain by the process of evolution, as taking millions and millions of years, all fall under this same heading. In other words I must most respectfully maintain, as I wrote in the opening lines, that your calculations are fitted, relativity-wise, to the current matrix only.
Sincerely yours,
Bruce D. McKay, Elijah
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very carefully.Data said:Er, lol. How do you then stop the earth from spontaneously exploding?
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This is for those who are looking for some real answers! You may want to "do these math on these numbers," taken from Immanuel Velikovsky's Book, Worlds in Collision.
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At this point however, we know what has really been taking place from time to time, is a change in molecular forces, which produces the energy needed to generate very massive walls of water. Those walls become so big, in fact, that the Midrashim contains the following inscriptions: "The waters wre piled up the the height of sixteen hundred miles, and they could be seen by all the nations of the earth!" Note: those who believe in evolution rule the sciences, and what they report carries the absolutely wrong idea that nothing massive has ever taken place, and that all the changes on this planet took millions and millions of years to take effect.
"And what does natural history tell us?" asked Philo in his, "On the Eternity of the World," and he answered: "Destruction of things on earth, destruction not of all at once but of a very large number, are attributed by it to two principal causes, the tremendous onslaughts of fire and water. THESE TWO VISITATIONS WE ARE TOLD, DESCEND IN TURNS AFTER VERY LONG CYCLES OF YEARS. WHEN THE AGENT IS THE CONFRAGRATION, A STREAM OF HEAVEN-SENT FIRE POURS OUT FROM ABOVE AND SPREADS OVER MANY PLACES AND OVERRUNS GREAT REGIONS OF THE INHABITED EARTH."
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According to Velikovsky, "The rain(ing) of fire-water contributed to the earth's supply of petroleum; "rock oil" in the ground appears to be, partly at least, "star oil" broughd down at the close of world ages, notably the age that came to its end in the middle of the second millennium before the present era."
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And Velikovsky writes, (for this reason) The priests of Iran worship the "fire that came out of the ground." The followers of Zoroastrainism or Mazdaism are also called "fire worshipers." The fire of Caucasus was held in great esteem by all the inhabitants of the adjacent lands. Connected with the Caucasus and originated there in the legend of Prometheus. He was chained to a rock for bringing fire to man. The allegorical character of this legend gains meaning, when we comsider Augustine's words that Prometheus was a contemporary of Moses.
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According to the LAPLAND EPIC, the world was overwhelmed by the huricane and the sea, and almost all human being perished. After 'THE SEA-WALL" FELL ON THE CONTINENT, gigantic waves continued to roll and dead bodies were dashed about in dark waters.
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What is next is especially for those who do not believe that the mantle of the earth rapidly expanded. Yes it did, and it did break apart the old crust, which covered the entire earth of the previous age - leaving what remains of that old crust as the continents - where we find them today. Note also, if all this is millions and millions of years in the ancient past(!) then how in the world could the Lapland cosmogonic story relate... "when the wickedness increased among human beings," THE MIDMOST OF THE EARTH TREMBLED WITH TERROR SO THAT THE UPPER LAYERS OF THE EARTH FELL AWAY AND MANY OF THE PEOPLE WERE HURLED DOWN INTO THSE CAVED IN PLACES TO PERISH.
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In that the Laplander's name for God was Jubmel, they even wrote:
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. Jubmel set a storm-wind blowing,
. and the wind air-sprits raging . . .
. foaming, dashing, rising sky-high
. came the sea-wall, crushing all things.
. Jubmel, with one strong upheavel,
. made the earth-lands all turn over;
. the the world again he righted.
. Now the mountains and the highlands
. Could no more be seen by Beijke (the sun).
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Velikovsky also states, "In many places of the world, and especially in the north, large boulders are found in a position which proves that a great force (i.e., a super sized wall of water) must have lifted them (the boulders) up and carried them long distances before depositing them where they are found today. Sometimes these large, loose rocks (boulders) are of entirely different material composition than the local rocks, but are akin to formations many miles away. Thus, occassionally an erratic boulder of granite perches on top of a high ridge of dolerite, whereas the nearst outcrops of granite lie far away. These erractic bolders may weigh as much as TEN THOUSAND TONS, about as much as one hundred thirty thousand people.
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To explain these facts, the scholars of the first half of the nineteenth century assumed that "enormous tides" (must of) had swept over the continents and carried with them masses of stone. The transfer of the rocks was explained(away) by the tides, but what could have caused these billows (so vast to move ten thousand tons) to rise high over the continents?
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It was conceived that SOMEHOW AND SOMEWHERE IN THE FAR NORTH, A SERIES OF GIGANTIC WAVES (i.e., a super wall of water) was mysteriously propagated (as has been explained herein.) These (wall of water) waves were supposed to have PERCIPITATED THEMSELVES UPON THE LAND, and THEN SWEPT MADLY ON OVER MOUNTAINS AND VALLEY ALIKE, CARRING ALONG WITH THEM A MIGHTY BURDEN OF ROCKS AND STONES AND RUBBISH. Such deluges (evidence showed they happened more than one signle time) were styled (or called) 'WAVES OF TRANSITION;' and the till was believed to represent the materials which they hurried along with them in their wild course across the country. The stones and boulders on the hilltops and the mounds of sand and gravel in the lowlands were explained by this theory. Critics, however, maintained that "it was unfortunate for this view, that it violated at the very outset the first principles of science, by assuming the former existence of a cause which there was little in nature to warrent... ...spasmodic rushes of the sea across a whole country had fortunately never been experienced within the memory of man. That the correctness of the last sentence is questionable is shown by references to the traditions of a number of people.
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The Madison boulder near Conway, New Hampshire, measures 90 by 40 by 38 feet, and weighs 10,000 tons.It is composed of granite, quite unlike the bedrock beneath it; hence this boder is typically 'erratic.'
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Ah, I can see it now . . . . . . Here comes this massive super towering wall of water, half frozen, pushing along in front of it, super cold gasses, capable of dropping the temperature 150 degrees! Sufficent by its very nature, as being able to flash freeze a mammoth with his mouth full of buttercups, and it is many, many miles high - as it courses it's way from the Pacific onto the shore of what is now modern Alaska! It hits with a thundering roar, and then it begins to really dig in, like the retreating beach waves do, as it begins to move even more rapidly, now descending over the mountainous Brook's range of Alaska! Directly in its path is the piece-of-pie shaped island that some call a continent. Greenland begins to shake violently at the crashing wave's approach. And then, almost just as suddenly, the tip of Greenland begins to rise. Suddenly, and almost as naturally as a wave tossing up a sea shell, up it goes, with the crashing super wall of water, backing it along (about two hundred to 300 miles.) The back end of the entire continent bumps along, while the thrust of the wave continues to move and support this same land mass, as it goes higher and higher. And then, just as suddenly, the super wall of ice and water has passed! One last massive swirl of the end of it passing by, barely hits, but it's enough to turn the entire "island contenent" to the east as it begins to fall. The water is now rushing beneath it, and past it on both sides, and it neatly lays back down on the surface of the earth. Down it goes, krump, right where we find it today. And in that same process, a massive glacial ice sheet that was left behind, hits the entire area. The enire place is now glaciated, in only a few moments time, along with the sudden extermination of almost every mammal. Wonder of wonders, this actually explains not only the underwater "Greenland Basin," where Greenland one rested. It also explains why in all the artic circle, only the north end of present day Greenland - was never glaciated!
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Update: Today, an area of about 4,600 kilometers embraces the region of the ice sheet that was a part of the incredible forces that once raised Greenland - and it is very rapidly melting. Please tell your friends about this Forum. Tell them about what you have read here today - perhaps they may even want to take a look, the may even want to "uncover the real facts of geology," for themselves!
Bruce D. McKay, Elijah
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At this point however, we know what has really been taking place from time to time, is a change in molecular forces, which produces the energy needed to generate very massive walls of water. Those walls become so big, in fact, that the Midrashim contains the following inscriptions: "The waters wre piled up the the height of sixteen hundred miles, and they could be seen by all the nations of the earth!" Note: those who believe in evolution rule the sciences, and what they report carries the absolutely wrong idea that nothing massive has ever taken place, and that all the changes on this planet took millions and millions of years to take effect.
"And what does natural history tell us?" asked Philo in his, "On the Eternity of the World," and he answered: "Destruction of things on earth, destruction not of all at once but of a very large number, are attributed by it to two principal causes, the tremendous onslaughts of fire and water. THESE TWO VISITATIONS WE ARE TOLD, DESCEND IN TURNS AFTER VERY LONG CYCLES OF YEARS. WHEN THE AGENT IS THE CONFRAGRATION, A STREAM OF HEAVEN-SENT FIRE POURS OUT FROM ABOVE AND SPREADS OVER MANY PLACES AND OVERRUNS GREAT REGIONS OF THE INHABITED EARTH."
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According to Velikovsky, "The rain(ing) of fire-water contributed to the earth's supply of petroleum; "rock oil" in the ground appears to be, partly at least, "star oil" broughd down at the close of world ages, notably the age that came to its end in the middle of the second millennium before the present era."
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And Velikovsky writes, (for this reason) The priests of Iran worship the "fire that came out of the ground." The followers of Zoroastrainism or Mazdaism are also called "fire worshipers." The fire of Caucasus was held in great esteem by all the inhabitants of the adjacent lands. Connected with the Caucasus and originated there in the legend of Prometheus. He was chained to a rock for bringing fire to man. The allegorical character of this legend gains meaning, when we comsider Augustine's words that Prometheus was a contemporary of Moses.
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According to the LAPLAND EPIC, the world was overwhelmed by the huricane and the sea, and almost all human being perished. After 'THE SEA-WALL" FELL ON THE CONTINENT, gigantic waves continued to roll and dead bodies were dashed about in dark waters.
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What is next is especially for those who do not believe that the mantle of the earth rapidly expanded. Yes it did, and it did break apart the old crust, which covered the entire earth of the previous age - leaving what remains of that old crust as the continents - where we find them today. Note also, if all this is millions and millions of years in the ancient past(!) then how in the world could the Lapland cosmogonic story relate... "when the wickedness increased among human beings," THE MIDMOST OF THE EARTH TREMBLED WITH TERROR SO THAT THE UPPER LAYERS OF THE EARTH FELL AWAY AND MANY OF THE PEOPLE WERE HURLED DOWN INTO THSE CAVED IN PLACES TO PERISH.
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In that the Laplander's name for God was Jubmel, they even wrote:
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. Jubmel set a storm-wind blowing,
. and the wind air-sprits raging . . .
. foaming, dashing, rising sky-high
. came the sea-wall, crushing all things.
. Jubmel, with one strong upheavel,
. made the earth-lands all turn over;
. the the world again he righted.
. Now the mountains and the highlands
. Could no more be seen by Beijke (the sun).
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Velikovsky also states, "In many places of the world, and especially in the north, large boulders are found in a position which proves that a great force (i.e., a super sized wall of water) must have lifted them (the boulders) up and carried them long distances before depositing them where they are found today. Sometimes these large, loose rocks (boulders) are of entirely different material composition than the local rocks, but are akin to formations many miles away. Thus, occassionally an erratic boulder of granite perches on top of a high ridge of dolerite, whereas the nearst outcrops of granite lie far away. These erractic bolders may weigh as much as TEN THOUSAND TONS, about as much as one hundred thirty thousand people.
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To explain these facts, the scholars of the first half of the nineteenth century assumed that "enormous tides" (must of) had swept over the continents and carried with them masses of stone. The transfer of the rocks was explained(away) by the tides, but what could have caused these billows (so vast to move ten thousand tons) to rise high over the continents?
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It was conceived that SOMEHOW AND SOMEWHERE IN THE FAR NORTH, A SERIES OF GIGANTIC WAVES (i.e., a super wall of water) was mysteriously propagated (as has been explained herein.) These (wall of water) waves were supposed to have PERCIPITATED THEMSELVES UPON THE LAND, and THEN SWEPT MADLY ON OVER MOUNTAINS AND VALLEY ALIKE, CARRING ALONG WITH THEM A MIGHTY BURDEN OF ROCKS AND STONES AND RUBBISH. Such deluges (evidence showed they happened more than one signle time) were styled (or called) 'WAVES OF TRANSITION;' and the till was believed to represent the materials which they hurried along with them in their wild course across the country. The stones and boulders on the hilltops and the mounds of sand and gravel in the lowlands were explained by this theory. Critics, however, maintained that "it was unfortunate for this view, that it violated at the very outset the first principles of science, by assuming the former existence of a cause which there was little in nature to warrent... ...spasmodic rushes of the sea across a whole country had fortunately never been experienced within the memory of man. That the correctness of the last sentence is questionable is shown by references to the traditions of a number of people.
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The Madison boulder near Conway, New Hampshire, measures 90 by 40 by 38 feet, and weighs 10,000 tons.It is composed of granite, quite unlike the bedrock beneath it; hence this boder is typically 'erratic.'
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Ah, I can see it now . . . . . . Here comes this massive super towering wall of water, half frozen, pushing along in front of it, super cold gasses, capable of dropping the temperature 150 degrees! Sufficent by its very nature, as being able to flash freeze a mammoth with his mouth full of buttercups, and it is many, many miles high - as it courses it's way from the Pacific onto the shore of what is now modern Alaska! It hits with a thundering roar, and then it begins to really dig in, like the retreating beach waves do, as it begins to move even more rapidly, now descending over the mountainous Brook's range of Alaska! Directly in its path is the piece-of-pie shaped island that some call a continent. Greenland begins to shake violently at the crashing wave's approach. And then, almost just as suddenly, the tip of Greenland begins to rise. Suddenly, and almost as naturally as a wave tossing up a sea shell, up it goes, with the crashing super wall of water, backing it along (about two hundred to 300 miles.) The back end of the entire continent bumps along, while the thrust of the wave continues to move and support this same land mass, as it goes higher and higher. And then, just as suddenly, the super wall of ice and water has passed! One last massive swirl of the end of it passing by, barely hits, but it's enough to turn the entire "island contenent" to the east as it begins to fall. The water is now rushing beneath it, and past it on both sides, and it neatly lays back down on the surface of the earth. Down it goes, krump, right where we find it today. And in that same process, a massive glacial ice sheet that was left behind, hits the entire area. The enire place is now glaciated, in only a few moments time, along with the sudden extermination of almost every mammal. Wonder of wonders, this actually explains not only the underwater "Greenland Basin," where Greenland one rested. It also explains why in all the artic circle, only the north end of present day Greenland - was never glaciated!
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Update: Today, an area of about 4,600 kilometers embraces the region of the ice sheet that was a part of the incredible forces that once raised Greenland - and it is very rapidly melting. Please tell your friends about this Forum. Tell them about what you have read here today - perhaps they may even want to take a look, the may even want to "uncover the real facts of geology," for themselves!
Bruce D. McKay, Elijah
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Meatros
The Meat is in the Middle!
You are kidding, right?Bruce D McKay said:
http://www.skepdic.com/velikov.html
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/vdtopten.html
http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/velidelu.html
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Captain_Jack_Sparrow
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Bruce D Mckay, Elijah wrote:
Well, silly old me. I forgot to be entrenched in crankdom physics just gets in the way. Count me in - no more of that silly physics getting in the way. I'm a believer in your theory now!
Well, silly old me. I forgot to be entrenched in crankdom physics just gets in the way. Count me in - no more of that silly physics getting in the way. I'm a believer in your theory now!
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The response is up above this post, at "More replies below current depth..."
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The series that starts:
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....Captain_Jack_Sparrow Off the top of my head I... 22nd March 2004, 02:47 PM
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The earth doesn't explode. The energy is absorbed... when it brings about a stack of atoms that pile higher and higher, miles high. When the atoms are in that state, they are excited! When the stack falls, we could say, when it crashes, all the atoms are very rapidly droped to the oppisite state as readily as they are all knocked apart. They try to draw in energy - and it results in what we commonly view as "ice."
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The result is evolution's black eye! This is what resulted at one time in the rapid and almost immediate catastrophic glaceration of the entire polar region - and all that area was once covered with palm trees, and warm warter corals lived all around there, in the waters! (You can look it up, if you don't think these are the true facts of the matter.)
Bruce D. McKay, Elijah
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The result is evolution's black eye! This is what resulted at one time in the rapid and almost immediate catastrophic glaceration of the entire polar region - and all that area was once covered with palm trees, and warm warter corals lived all around there, in the waters! (You can look it up, if you don't think these are the true facts of the matter.)
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Jimmy The Hand
I Have Been Complexified!
So atoms get stacked up because they are excited.
Then the stack falls, we could say when it becomes flaccid, they are no longer excited.
okaaaaaaaaaaay
Then the stack falls, we could say when it becomes flaccid, they are no longer excited.
okaaaaaaaaaaay
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Epistemology deals with many branches of the sciences. What is perfectly logical in one field, does not always equate or prove to be true, in regard to a different range of data, or another field of study. Perhaps the biggest thing that I have learned from all this is from Francis Bacon himself. He said, when there's a big, big pile of data, and that data just keeps accumulating and accumulating, you can be sure that there is a "scientific idol" somewhere nearby. In essence, according to Bacon, men worship the idol - and it blinds them, in a manner of speaking, so that they do not even realize that they are "blind to reality." Nevertheless, that is exactly what happens. Once I learned that lesson, I began to seek out, what Bacon had described.
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Unfortunately, that also means the entire theory of "evolution" is a scientific idol. Moreover, it is very difficult for you or anyone else to "unlearn," all that you have supposedly learned, while standing in the shadow of that idol. It is twice as hard as just being able to more readly reach out and locate the right answers, in that, you have a handicap in that you must regretably undo and let go of various concepts and supposed-to-be-true details, and "unlearn" various things, before you are able to grasp what is indeed the truth.
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I would also wish to most respectfully point out, I didn't make it up that way. I mean, that's just the way things are, when it comes to logic. So I do realize and I do understand what kind of difficulties you are having with all this; perhaps this will be of some help to you. I do hope so.
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Bruce D. McKay, Elijah
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Unfortunately, that also means the entire theory of "evolution" is a scientific idol. Moreover, it is very difficult for you or anyone else to "unlearn," all that you have supposedly learned, while standing in the shadow of that idol. It is twice as hard as just being able to more readly reach out and locate the right answers, in that, you have a handicap in that you must regretably undo and let go of various concepts and supposed-to-be-true details, and "unlearn" various things, before you are able to grasp what is indeed the truth.
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I would also wish to most respectfully point out, I didn't make it up that way. I mean, that's just the way things are, when it comes to logic. So I do realize and I do understand what kind of difficulties you are having with all this; perhaps this will be of some help to you. I do hope so.
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Captain_Jack_Sparrow
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Bruce D. McKay, Elijah:
Look, it is patently obvious you really don't know any physics associated with these models you are proposing. What physics you do (or ever did) know has become hopelessly jumbled or it wasn't there to begin with.
Energy absorbed by water - this changing the length of the H-O bond is fantasy. By what mechanism, pray tell, is the energy perfectly diverted into such a thing yet does not go elsewhere. What mechanism can do this? (I don't accept that the bond changes anyway but whatever)
Why are atoms piled up (I cannot believe I am even using this childish language) in a 'higher energy state'. Please don't tell me you mean as a consequence of being raised in the Earth's potential field.
Please inform how they 'draw in energy' (your words thank god not mine) as they fall down in the potential?
My advice is get a hobby. Raise orchids (they're pretty), collect stamps but lay of the Biblical catastrophism theories, please!
Look, it is patently obvious you really don't know any physics associated with these models you are proposing. What physics you do (or ever did) know has become hopelessly jumbled or it wasn't there to begin with.
Energy absorbed by water - this changing the length of the H-O bond is fantasy. By what mechanism, pray tell, is the energy perfectly diverted into such a thing yet does not go elsewhere. What mechanism can do this? (I don't accept that the bond changes anyway but whatever)
Why are atoms piled up (I cannot believe I am even using this childish language) in a 'higher energy state'. Please don't tell me you mean as a consequence of being raised in the Earth's potential field.
Please inform how they 'draw in energy' (your words thank god not mine) as they fall down in the potential?
My advice is get a hobby. Raise orchids (they're pretty), collect stamps but lay of the Biblical catastrophism theories, please!
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