Evolution is proven false!

[Kylie]

And where did the initial energy come from to start the Cosmos?

Did I read something about how things balance out and the net energy of the universe is zero or something?

 

[Sofaman]

No, you go first.
Your OP states:

EVOLUTION IS PROVEN FALSE!

The Collapse of Intelligent Design:Kenneth R. Miller Lecture - YouTube

THE COLLAPSE OF INTELLIGENT DESIGN
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???

It was a granted premise!

I thought that would be quite clear from the following question

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

???

It was a granted premise!

I thought that would be quite clear from the following question

...which were:

Now give us your evidence for either a creator or intelligent designer please

a) Asking for evidence of a creator -- would require multiple threads to address.
b) Asking for evidence of an intelligent designer -- ditto.

Perhaps if you had asked for the data which support CREATIONISM, or INTELLIGENT DESIGN -- also two separate threads, as the proponents of each group have very different ideas.

If you wanted evidence for a CREATOR GOD, then you'd need to specify which one/ones, and the same for an INTELLIGENT DESIGNER GOD.

The evidence for a Creator God (and by this I mean the Biblical God) -- is primarily the Kalam Cosmological Argument. This you can Google and present your counter argumentS etc. etc. etc. etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CulBuMCLg0

 

[TLK Valentine]

It's only St. Augustine's musing in the Confessions, and is not supported by the Scriptures.

The alternative is that God didn't see the Fall coming... and what does that make God?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Oh, and b.t.w. the arguments for a Creator God (Cosmological) are not evidence in the sense of a scientific theory of Evolution, but merely a reasonable defense of the proposition that God exists therefore. etc. I like to think that Dr. W Lane-Craig and perhaps Prof. Alvin Plantinga have some pretty tough arguments to overturn -- Peter Kreeft does a pretty good job of explaining stuff too. So, let's see you (Sofaman) have a go at the Kalam -- and come back and debunk it for us. (Others here might come to your aid, but I think it's your challenge and you should rise to the occasion or put a sock in it) -- i.e. Loudmouth, who can't resist living up to his alias.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

The alternative is that God didn't see the Fall coming... and what does that make God?

Is that the only alternative?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Is that the only alternative?

Actually, yes.

God creates a perfect world. Perfect world goes down the tubes.

Either God knew it was going to happen or He didn't; not a lot of middle ground here.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Actually, yes.

God creates a perfect world. Perfect world goes down the tubes.

Either God knew it was going to happen of He didn't; not a lot of middle ground here.

I'll go with the old 'saint' on this one: "And I confess to thee, O Lord, that I am still ignorant as to what time is."

I'm currently studying Genesis, in the light of the whole Bible -- with particular focus on the doctrine of God -- So, when I get to the gardens (there are quite a few in the old dusty book) -- I'll be sure to give your reflection a bit of meditation.

< b.t.w. I've heard this one before, and didn't think it was that smart when I did, but then I'm not that smart either.

 

[Sofaman]

I'm well aware of the Kalamity Cosmological Argument which is simply an elaborate method of special pleading.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I'll set you in the next star system and let you explore your way back here.

Your statement: All natural laws oppose life

Life exists. Your statement is wrong.

 

[DogmaHunter]

So where is the known Cosmos getting it's energy from....exactly?

I have no idea and neither do you.

And it's not relevant to the point being made either.

You tried to pretend that "natural life" is "impossible" because of entropy. I merely pointed out that entropy in that sense is irrelevant to our situation on this planet, because we get new workable energy from the sun every day, all day.

I'm not interested in how tan you are getting today.

Are you saying that you do not understand the importance of the sun to life on this planet?

I'm interested in where the billions of watts per second came from.

Me too. I'm just not childish about it.

 

[SkyWriting]

Assume for a moment it came from something/someone else -- where did that energy come from?

I Robot,
Hologram of Dr. Lanning: That, Detective, is the "right question."

That energy came from a source that is outside of our natural laws.
Our natural laws state that energy cannot be created or destroyed.
So this must have come from a non-natural source.

Another universe that plays by different rules perhaps.
The possibilities are endless.
But the laws definitely rule out our natural space.

 

[SkyWriting]

You tried to pretend that "natural life" is "impossible" because of entropy.

Please use your quote tool, not your mushy paraphrase tool.

 

[SkyWriting]

Your statement: All natural laws oppose life

Life exists. Your statement is wrong.

No, your definition of oppose is wrong.

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm well aware of the Kalamity Cosmological Argument which is simply an elaborate method of special pleading.

It is very obtuse to those who can't grasp the answer that
the source is not in the bounds of scientific examination
because it is not natural.

The plead is not intended to point to God.
It's intended to rule out a natural explanation
for which science fictioneers claim exists
for everything.

 

[SkyWriting]

Did I read something about how things balance out and the net energy of the universe is zero or something?

It is proposed that was the original state
but reasons for why anti-matter lost the battle
remain elusive.

So we got stuck with a cosmos that has very
little anti-matter around.

 

[DogmaHunter]

No, your definition of oppose is wrong.

Then clarify what you meant.

I read it to mean that the laws of nature make life impossible.

 

[SkyWriting]

Assume for a moment it came from something/someone else -- where did that energy come from?

Some non-matter, non-energy source outside of physical space
must have produced it outside of the reality system we live under.

 

[DogmaHunter]

It is very obtuse to those who can't grasp the answer that the source is not in the bounds of scientific examination because it is not natural.

How did you determine that this source (which is unkown) was not natural?

How can you draw such a conclusion about something that isn't known?

The plead is not intended to point to God.

Then why do so many apologists use it to do exactly that?

It's intended to rule out a natural explanation for which science fictioneers claim exists for everything.

So, it's intended to stop questioning?
Yep, sounds about right.

Which was exactly the effect it had when al-gezhali first introduced it during Islam's golden age, when it was the epicenter of learning and progress.

Not long after his ideas resonated throughout that society, the entire culture plummethed into a dark age. They are still in it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Some non-matter, non-energy source outside of physical space
must have produced it outside of the reality system we live under.

Ok, let's assume you're correct -- if this source is outside of physical space, then what space is it in?