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It started in the Garden of Eden, when the Serpent got Eve to consider what she was looking at from a purely empirical viewpoint.
It's impossible for you to have that many posts.

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It's impossible for you to have that many posts.
Thank you!

As they say:

The difficult we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer.

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Hard to make a moral based decision without the knowledge of good and evil.

That's another reason the story doesn't make any sense. It wasn't written for intelligent, contemporary minds, it was written for the child like mind of bronze age sheepherders. The audience for Genesis was the scattered Israelite community who were once again in bondage. It was a spectacular exaggeration of their history designed to hold the Israelites together.
 
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And yet dogs can do it.

Just tell them NO.
I can tell my dog NO all I want, it isn't making the decision to do as I say because it is the right thing to do, it does so because instinct for pack leadership demands it. Humans do not have strong instincts like that.
 
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A person can intuit incorrectly. A person can reason incorrectly as well. It drives me nuts when people reason badly. But bad intuition cannot be blamed on intuition as it is supposed to be, just as bad reasoning cannot be blamed on reasoning as it is supposed to be.
God has the power to make a book written as such that everyone will interpret it the same naturally, without violating free will. If not, there are extreme limits on god's power, more so than even Christians that do not propose an omnipotent god would typically tolerate.
 
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I can tell my dog NO all I want, it isn't making the decision to do as I say because it is the right thing to do, it does so because instinct for pack leadership demands it. Humans do not have strong instincts like that.
Sure we do. According to atheists we're just smarter animals.

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Sure we do. According to atheists we're just smarter animals.

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What I meant was we don't have instincts we can't overcome. Dogs do. And yes, we are just generally the smartest animals, although chimps can beat us on certain memory tasks.

So some people get offended or don't like that. It doesn't make it any less true. Also, shouldn't you try to avoid the pride that could be hurt by that anyways?
 
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What I meant was we don't have instincts we can't overcome. Dogs do. And yes, we are just generally the smartest animals, although chimps can beat us on certain memory tasks.

So some people get offended or don't like that. It doesn't make it any less true. Also, shouldn't you try to avoid the pride that could be hurt by that anyways?
We really are smelly animals that just put deodorant and parfum on - LOL !!
 
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We really are smelly animals that just put deodorant and parfum on - LOL !!
Sadly, some of the people that need the deodorant don't use it. Yeah, we can be quite smelly, I internally gag at the thought of how badly people in the past must have reeked, given how rarely they bathed. Far in the past, obviously.
 
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I can tell my dog NO all I want, it isn't making the decision to do as I say because it is the right thing to do, it does so because instinct for pack leadership demands it. Humans do not have strong instincts like that.
Actually we have the Holy Spirit whispering to our spirit what is right and what is wrong. That can come across pretty strong, or you can just shut Him out. Your choice. ;)
 
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