The concept of an immovable earth is neither a foundation of our knowledge nor is it a true view of reality.
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ecco RE: How do you account for humans existing on the earth today?
From the others, either there is no response, as is the case with insitu, or they tap dance around it without ever admitting they also believe it is as written in genesis. It appears they are somehow embarrassed by their own beliefs.
ETA: Case in point is the comment made by justlookinla in post
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"Depends on one's faith-based view."
From the others, either there is no response, as is the case with insitu, or they tap dance around it without ever admitting they also believe it is as written in genesis. It appears they are somehow embarrassed by their own beliefs.
ETA: Case in point is the comment made by justlookinla in post
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"Depends on one's faith-based view."
The problem is that you don't answer a simple question:
How do you account for humans existing on the earth today?
You refuse to answer and you certainly do not provide any evidence to support your unspoken views.
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The problem is, you don't wish to acknowledge it's dependent on one's faith-based view.
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I thought I qualified it as being the foundation of education and of science. That covers a lot of what is considered 'reality'.
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The thought that the earth isn't moving (even though we know it is) is very practical, if you think about it (because it's one less thing we have to think about). Imagine yourself thinking about 'sunrise' each day, but 'conceptualizing' (reminding yourself) that it is the earth moving and not the sun.
I was in my tree stand when the sun went down today. Not for a second did I stop to consider that it was the earth moving and not the sun. Color me looney.
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ecco RE: How do you account for humans existing on the earth today?
From the others, either there is no response, as is the case with insitu, or they tap dance around it without ever admitting they also believe it is as written in genesis. It appears they are somehow embarrassed by their own beliefs.
ETA: Case in point is the comment made by justlookinla in post
#61:
"Depends on one's faith-based view."
The problem is that you don't answer a simple question:
How do you account for humans existing on the earth today?
You refuse to answer and you certainly do not provide any evidence to support your unspoken views.
Of course I acknowledge that it depends on your faith based view. You believe god created humans due to a literal reading of genesis. In other words, I acknowledge that your belief is based on your faith based view.
Why do you tap dance around it without ever admitting it? It's clear that your are too embarrassed by your own beliefs.
From the others, either there is no response, as is the case with insitu, or they tap dance around it without ever admitting they also believe it is as written in genesis. It appears they are somehow embarrassed by their own beliefs.
ETA: Case in point is the comment made by justlookinla in post
#61:
"Depends on one's faith-based view."
The problem is that you don't answer a simple question:
How do you account for humans existing on the earth today?
You refuse to answer and you certainly do not provide any evidence to support your unspoken views.
Of course I acknowledge that it depends on your faith based view. You believe god created humans due to a literal reading of genesis. In other words, I acknowledge that your belief is based on your faith based view.
Why do you tap dance around it without ever admitting it? It's clear that your are too embarrassed by your own beliefs.
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I acknowledge that your belief is based on your faith based view also. We place our faith in different 'creators'.
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I wouldn't color you anything. However, the bible, the true word of god, clearly states:The thought that the earth isn't moving (even though we know it is) is very practical, if you think about it (because it's one less thing we have to think about). Imagine yourself thinking about 'sunrise' each day, but 'conceptualizing' (reminding yourself) that it is the earth moving and not the sun.
I was in my tree stand when the sun went down today. Not for a second did I stop to consider that it was the earth moving and not the sun. Color me looney.
1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."
Psalm 96:10: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ..."
Psalm 96:10: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ..."
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As you know, I do not believe in a Creator.
I cannot remember any other person in these forums, or in other forums, or whom I have met and discussed this subject with in person, who will not state their beliefs.
I'll ask again, what do you believe? That is, of course, a rhetorical question. Everyone who has exchanged posts with you knows that you are a creationist. Everyone knows you are a creationist because of your literal reading of genesis.
What we don't know, is why you won't admit it?
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You don't believe entirely naturalistic process 'created' all life we observe today? That's a faith-based belief you have there.
My belief is that God is creator.
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If the earth were to move it would be the end of life. I don't think God is going to allow that to happen.
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The earth is moving right now. Heck, its even accelerating. I thing what you mean to say is that if the earth STOPPED moving we'd all be dead.
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Sorry, I should have put 'semi-quotes' around move. What I meant was that if the earth 'moved' from the circuit that God placed it on it would no longer support life (as we know it). What the scripture means is that the position and course of the earth cannot be moved by man. The circuit of the earth is very complex, and it all contributes to it's ability to host life. If any part of it substantially altered.........we can kiss our butts goodbye!
1Chron 16:30 states that the earth is stable and cannot be moved. This means that the course of the earth has been established and cannot be changed.
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So, you don't believe the earth revolves around the sun?
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"1Chron 16:30 states that the earth is stable and cannot be moved. This means that the course of the earth has beenestablished and cannot be changed."
That's your interpretation of...
1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."
I guess you can interpret to mean that at one time the earth was "firm and immovable" and He FIXED it to go around the sun.
I guess one can interpret the bible any way one wants to interpret the bible.
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One of the meanings of moved in this context is to be out of course. God won't allow the earth's established course to be changed. So yes, I can use a translation of the word so it makes sense in 2015. In 1600 few were aware that the earth moved, thus the simple translation.
The earth's course around the sun is much more complex than is generally known. No doubt this is purposeful for some aspects of life on earth. It is my opinion that the sheer complexity of the creation is a way that God is revealing himself to science, or at least to some. At some point scientists must admit that this stuff is way too complex to have created and organized itself.
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Are you suggesting that people who made translations of translations based their translations on what was, at the time, peoples awareness of nature?
In any case, let's see what you may have based your comment on...
http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/q7.htm
1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."
Response: The claim seems to have an underlying assumption that it is impossible to be "fixed" and "immovable" and yet orbit around the sun. But the fact is, the earth has proven itself to be fixed and immovable:
• The earth is fixed and immovable in relation to its orbit around the sun. Have you ever known the earth to "unfix" itself and "move" itself out of its orbit around the sun? It doesn't happen, because the earth is fixed and immovable in relation to its orbit around the sun.
1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."
Response: The claim seems to have an underlying assumption that it is impossible to be "fixed" and "immovable" and yet orbit around the sun. But the fact is, the earth has proven itself to be fixed and immovable:
• The earth is fixed and immovable in relation to its orbit around the sun. Have you ever known the earth to "unfix" itself and "move" itself out of its orbit around the sun? It doesn't happen, because the earth is fixed and immovable in relation to its orbit around the sun.
You will note that what is written in Chronicles is not really the same as the apologetics.
There is a big difference between:
- He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.
- The orbit of the earth is firm, immovable.
The earth's course may be complex, but all the complexities can be and are explained by science.
I don't think that any scientist, or even a scientifically aware layman, would use the phrase "created itself". But I do understand why you need to use terminology like that.
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I'm suggesting that the writers translated it according to their own knowledge and closely held beliefs of their day.
I based my comment on the verse as presented in the KJV, the knowledge that indeed the earth moves around the sun, and the belief that the Hebrew dictionary can account for that within the various meanings of the word moved. I then went to the word as given in 1Chron 16:30 and looked for alternative meanings, where I found the word moved to also mean 'be out of course'.
I do this all the time when such questions arise. I usually find a satisfactory answer within the alternate meaning of key words. No need for someone else's apologetics when the dictionary often offers the answer.
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He fixed(verb implying doing something to rectify/better) the earth firm, immovable.(sturdy, unchanging) .
the moon according to science took time to 'synchronize with the earth. but accordingly God made the moon stationary to the earth.
it makes sense that at one point in history the moon was not synchronized, but decreased in rotational speed each time the heavier face of the moon passed the earth. but then what about the sinusoidal effect of the moon's face travelling towards the earth, would the I guess the gravitational affect of the moon itself on the face would pull it away then, but on the away travel, both earth and moon's gravity would combine to be greater than the down-swing.... either way, humans seem to be synchronized to the moon, and consider that Noah was in the Ark 40 days, perhaps 40 days is a clue for something else like 40,000 years? consider that there is no start or end to the surface of the earth. and there's no end to the sun's ability to tell the earth the time. so most trees seem synchronized to the seasons. sux to be me.
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