Evolution Goes (Retro)Viral

[essentialsaltes]

More discoveries and developments in science is showing that science is proving the Bible right.

So no plant name? No geneticist name? I doubt your assertions have any factual basis.

 

[Astrid]

So no plant name? No geneticist name? I doubt your assertions have any factual basis.

As in less than zero chance

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Any chance you'd care to share your source
for these extraordinary "facts"?

Go on Youtube and type Hugh Ross in the search page. You will see his videos there and they will explain everything from a world recognised Astraphysicist.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

So no plant name? No geneticist name? I doubt your assertions have any factual basis.

I got my information from the teaching by Dr. Hugh Ross. You can get his videos on Youtube. He is a world recognised Astrophysicist so he knows what he is talking about. It's always good to have a teachable spirit.

 

[Occams Barber]

Go on Youtube and type Hugh Ross in the search page. You will see his videos there and they will explain everything from a world recognised Astraphysicist.

Hugh Ross has a PhD in Astrophysics. Ross is an old earth Creationist who went into ministry in 1986. As far as I can tell he hasn't worked in his field since establishing his ministry although he has published books and videos on Creationism topics. Any recognition he has appears to stem from his Creationist ideas rather than any specific work in astrophysics,

This thread is about ERVs, genetics and evolution. The study of genetics and evolution requires a degree in the biological sciences. Astrophysics is not a biological science. While Ross is welcome to his opinions, he is not qualified to offer expert comment on biological topics like genetics, evolution and abiogenesis.

You appear to have conflated Big Bang/old earth cosmology with abiogenesis and evolution. Scientifically speaking these are three separate, unrelated topics. In my experience this type of confusion is common among Creationists who tend to lump them together as 'Origins'.

For expert opinion on evolution and genetics from a Christian perspective I suggest you visit BioLogos. BioLogos is an organisation founded by Francis Collins, the original leader of the Human Genome Project and a practising Christian.

Is there a God and does he care about me? The Testimony of BioLogos Founder Francis Collins - Personal Story - BioLogos

Adapted from talks at the BioLogos 2019 Conference, Dr. Francis Collins tells the story of leaving atheism and giving his life to Jesus, as well as some other ways he sees the glory of God in God's Two Books.

biologos.org

OB

 

[Astrid]

Go on Youtube and type Hugh Ross in the search page. You will see his videos there and they will explain everything from a world recognised Astraphysicist.

It's worth noting that the one person out
of the world of people with advanced degrees
happens to be the one who says what you like.

The 99.999 percent dont count?

Here's another you could add. A Dr. K. Wise,
PhD, paleontology! ( which actually deals in
evolution, which astrophysics totally does not,
It might as well be auto mechanics)

Here's a quote:

Dr Wise
".....even if ALL the evidence in the universe
turns against yec, I will still be yec,as that is
what the Bible seems to indicate."

That is, If you're unsure what to call it, is
dictionary- grade example of intellectual
dishonesty. Zero intellectual integrity.

Or a juror holds out for innocence for
a child rapist even though every single item
of evidence shows guilt. Because of how
something seems to him. Sound fair and sane ?

Give that some thought.

 

[Tinker Grey]

World-recognized? Really? Citation needed.

 

[AV1611VET]

I got my information from the teaching by Dr. Hugh Ross. You can get his videos on Youtube. He is a world recognised Astrophysicist so he knows what he is talking about. It's always good to have a teachable spirit.

I don't agree with him on a lot of stuff, but I like how he explains the dimensions of space; as well as showing how a second dimension of time can easily explain how God can hear all of our prayers at once.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Hugh Ross has a PhD in Astrophysics. Ross is an old earth Creationist who went into ministry in 1986. As far as I can tell he hasn't worked in his field since establishing his ministry although he has published books and videos on Creationism topics. Any recognition he has appears to stem from his Creationist ideas rather than any specific work in astrophysics,

This thread is about ERVs, genetics and evolution. The study of genetics and evolution requires a degree in the biological sciences. Astrophysics is not a biological science. While Ross is welcome to his opinions, he is not qualified to offer expert comment on biological topics like genetics, evolution and abiogenesis.

You appear to have conflated Big Bang/old earth cosmology with abiogenesis and evolution. Scientifically speaking these are three separate, unrelated topics. In my experience this type of confusion is common among Creationists who tend to lump them together as 'Origins'.

For expert opinion on evolution and genetics from a Christian perspective I suggest you visit BioLogos. BioLogos is an organisation founded by Francis Collins, the original leader of the Human Genome Project and a practising Christian.

Is there a God and does he care about me? The Testimony of BioLogos Founder Francis Collins - Personal Story - BioLogos

Adapted from talks at the BioLogos 2019 Conference, Dr. Francis Collins tells the story of leaving atheism and giving his life to Jesus, as well as some other ways he sees the glory of God in God's Two Books.

biologos.org

OB

Have you actually watched his videos to see what he says and his reasons for saying them? Do you know what he says about the conferences he goes to, and the discussions he has with other scientists, including geneticists, evolutionists, theoretical physicists and others in the field? If not, your comments about him have to be questionable.

 

[AV1611VET]

(which actually deals in evolution, which astrophysics totally does not,
It might as well be auto mechanics)

Auto mechanics?

How about cosmic evolution instead?

I like how evolutionists deny 6/7 of evolution to compartmentalize evolution down to just one compartment: biological evolution.

Then they throw out all the scientists who believe in the Bible, but don't have degrees in biology.

But even scientists believe science can take a hike, when it doesn't suit their fancies.

 

[Astrid]

World-recognized? Really? Citation needed.

Here you go-

The dubious apologetics of Hugh Ross · Creation.com

Creation or evolution? It makes a big difference! Over 10,000 trustworthy articles. Evidence for biblical creation.

creation.com

Even the creationists don't respect him.

Like Ron Wyatt, Walt Brown, Ken Ham.

Toss in PT Barnam, Elmer Gantry, Jimmy Swaggert,
Jim and Tammy Bakker...

All such as them bring shame and disgrace to a noble
religion.

Shame on anyone fooled by them. Double shame
on anyone who helps them.

 

[AV1611VET]

Have you actually watched his videos to see what he says and his reasons for saying them? Do you know what he says about the conferences he goes to, and the discussions he has with other scientists, including geneticists, evolutionists, theoretical physicists and others in the field? If not, your comments about him have to be questionable.

Did you see the John Ankerberg show, where he had Kent Hovind and Hugh Ross go head-to-head?

 

[AV1611VET]

Here you go-

The dubious apologetics of Hugh Ross · Creation.com

Creation or evolution? It makes a big difference! Over 10,000 trustworthy articles. Evidence for biblical creation.

creation.com

Even the creationists don't respect him.

Like Ron Wyatt, Walt Brown, ...

I'll admit.

I don't care much for him, myself.

But he does make some good points.

 

[Astrid]

Have you actually watched his videos to see what he says and his reasons for saying them? Do you know what he says about the conferences he goes to, and the discussions he has with other scientists, including geneticists, evolutionists, theoretical physicists and others in the field? If not, your comments about him have to be questionable.

Have you actually studied any biology
or geology? Put in the long intense hours
of lecture, library, lab and field?
No?
If not your ability to assess some guys claims are, what, even "questionable"?
Or more like nonexistent.

You just watched a video?
By a charlatan who says what you hope to hear?


What could make you think , you with no background knowledge of science that you are in a position
to assess either your hero or advise educatrd people on science?


It's like me mouthing off about American football,
or how to build a race car.

Your guy has zero reputation in the scientific
community. Nobody will publish his nonsense
in any research journal.

That he writes pop- Sci books for itching ears
of Believers, videos for those who watch but don't
read, says it all about his legitimacy.

The Ron Wyatt I mentioned did vids too.

Don't be such a sucker for con men.

 

[AV1611VET]

Those like you with no background knowledge of science are in a ( very ) poor position to tell those who are educated, how to assess somebody's claims.

Then I don't want to hear your "Pi=3.0 in 1 Kings" nonsense, until you learn draftsmanship.

But then, to use your philosophy:

If you think you know more than any draftsman on the planet ...

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Did you see the John Ankerberg show, where he had Kent Hovind and Hugh Ross go head-to-head?

I saw that one. I felt that Dr Ross had greater control in the debate than Dr Hovind. As soon as Dr Hovind started to accuse Dr Ross of heresy and promoting a cult he lost the debate as far as I was concerned. I saw Dr Ross' debate with Jason Lisle, and both of them were very interesting. I have yet to view some of Dr Lisle and I'm sure I'll learn a lot from them. The problem with Dr Hovind was that he was not able to address the scientific information that Dr Ross was putting to him. All he could say was "The Bible says." Dr Ross was also able to say, "The Bible says", but pointed out that the Hebrew word "yom" was not limited to mean a 24 hour day. The reason why Dr Hovind was on the back foot most of the time, and his body language showed it, is that he is not a scientist with only high school science and therefore not a match for Dr Ross; but Dr Lisle was a fellow scientist and they were more evenly matched.

 

[AV1611VET]

I saw that one. I felt that Dr Ross had greater control in the debate than Dr Hovind. As soon as Dr Hovind started to accuse Dr Ross of heresy and promoting a cult he lost the debate as far as I was concerned. I saw Dr Ross' debate with Jason Lisle, and both of them were very interesting. I have yet to view some of Dr Lisle and I'm sure I'll learn a lot from them. The problem with Dr Hovind was that he was not able to address the scientific information that Dr Ross was putting to him. All he could say was "The Bible says." Dr Ross was also able to say, "The Bible says", but pointed out that the Hebrew word "yom" was not limited to mean a 24 hour day. The reason why Dr Hovind was on the back foot most of the time, and his body language showed it, is that he is not a scientist with only high school science and therefore not a match for Dr Ross; but Dr Lisle was a fellow scientist and they were more evenly matched.

Ya ...

Kent tried to fight fire with fire and lost.

I'd do it all differently and challenge Mr Ross to explain the Creation Week to me from a scientific standpoint.

Which, of course, can't be done.

I'd make it clear to him that I believe the Creation Week didn't use a bit of science, and consisted of one miracle after another that raised the level of mass/energy in the universe from zero to its current level over a period of six days.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Those like you with no background knowledge
of science are in a ( very ) poor position to tell
those who are educated, how to assess somebody's
claims.

It's like me mouthing off about American football,
or how to build a race car.

Your guy has zero reputation in the scientific
community. Nobody will publish his nonsense
in any research journal.

That he writes pop- Sci books for itching ears
of Believers, video for those whomwatch but don't
read, says it all about his legitimacy.

The Ron Wyatt I mentioned did vids too.

Don't be such a sucker for con men.

So you haven't viewed any of his videos. I have watched over 10 hours of his videos and me makes a lot of sense to me. I was a supporter of a young earth creation for over 50 years, but after watching a good number of Dr Ross' videos and receiving a much better understanding of the science he is presenting, I am now prepared to accept that creation took a lot longer than six 24 hour days.

Of course, anyone who is adamantly stuck on a young earth creation will treat anyone who has a different view as a false teacher and charlatan. So I am not surprised by your attitude to Dr Ross. But I am not prejudiced in that way, and am prepared to learn from a person who makes sense to me. Having two post graduate degrees I think I know when someone knows what he is talking about.

 

[AV1611VET]

I am now prepared to accept that creation took a lot longer than six 24 hour days.

Let's say ... for the sake of arguing ... that the days in Genesis 1 were not 24-hour periods.

Let's say they were ... oh .... 2-billion year periods.

How do you explain angiosperms living 2 billion years without the sun?

 

[Astrid]

So you haven't viewed any of his videos. I have watched over 10 hours of his videos and me makes a lot of sense to me. I was a supporter of a young earth creation for over 50 years, but after watching a good number of Dr Ross' videos and receiving a much better understanding of the science he is presenting, I am now prepared to accept that creation took a lot longer than six 24 hour days.

Of course, anyone who is adamantly stuck on a young earth creation will treat anyone who has a different view as a false teacher and charlatan. So I am not surprised by your attitude to Dr Ross. But I am not prejudiced in that way, and am prepared to learn from a person who makes sense to me. Having two post graduate degrees I think I know when someone knows what he is talking about.S

So you've not put in the hours of actual study,
as I said.
10 hours of vids?? You're just making it worse.

Two one-year post grad certificates in what?

I hope you are not going to claim anything in
a field that qualifies your opinions about " science " from
your hero who can't get his ideas published.

And you think I'm a ..yec?