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If it was a global flood of the scale of the bible, there should be a global sedimentary layer of greater uniformity than is typical in its components and it should all date the same age. No such thing exists.

define "greater uniformity," with examples.

thank you for your time

Also, 1 flood, even as drastic as the one in the bible, would never have been able to lay down that much sediment in only about a years worth of time.
The Sauk Sequence extends throughout North America and appears to extend into Europe. The Tippecanoe Sequence also covers much of North America and may well extend into Europe and Africa. There are also intercontinental redbed sequences, intercontinental tuff beds, and coal-bearing strata cycles.

Granular, water-charged sediment flows result in very rapid stratification. Dilute flows produce thick sequences of plane beds, graded beds, and crossbeds by sustained unidirectional flow. Such flows also produce thick sequences of hummocky beds by sustained bidirectional flow.

Concentrated sediment flows produce thick strata sequences by abrupt deposition from liquefied suspension or evenly bedded strata by flow transformation to a tractive current.

above section from ICR:
http://www.icr.org/geological-strata/
 
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please explain what chemicals are readily available in local floods that would be used to fossilize that are also not available in a global scale flood.

irrelevant

I can simply say the same for you, "you are prone to barking" slow and steady fossilization without stopping to search for a cataclysmic approach.

On the contrary. I fully admit that an isolated mass burial could be consistent with a global flood. It is ALSO consistent with a local flood.

Therefore, the isolated mass burial is not evidence for a global flood, since it is consistent with both. So, we have to search further.

We can look at multiple fossil beds and determine if they are consistent with the same event. What we find is that the fossil beds are still consistent with local flooding, but not with a single massive flood. So that is evidence for local flooding, and against a global flood.
 
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define "greater uniformity," with examples.

thank you for your time

Greater uniformity, what I mean by this is that the minerals that make up the sedimentary layer if there was a global flood would be more similar to each other across different areas of the earth than those caused by local floods because, with all the water holding the sediments mixing, the sediments would spread out and contaminate a greater area than they would in a local flood. No such thing is seen.

I suppose I could show you examples of how the bigger the local flood, the more is spread out minerals to places nearby that didn't have them, but since there was no global flood, those examples would be limited.

You can imitate it yourself fairly easily though, although it will be very simplistic.
 
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On the contrary. I fully admit that an isolated mass burial could be consistent with a global flood. It is ALSO consistent with a local flood.

It's a weird kind of thinking, really. It's kind of like saying that, in a murder case, because the President of the United States could have murdered the victim and covered it up, he should be considered a suspect, even though there are quite a few people who were closer to the victim and had actual motivation.
 
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Has anybody ever wondered why 100% of the moon and mars has been mapped but only 5% of the ocean floor of earth? Perhaps there are some "hidden" secrets there.
Maybe some of the "creatures" of the deep would put the final nail in the evolution coffin.
It seems the "scientists" are more concerned about life on other planets than they are about ours.
My prediction is that all of the "extinct" creatures found in the Cambrian" layer are alive and well down in the deep and there appears that there are no signs of "evolution" among them.
 
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The "Cambrian" layer is a good pointer to a global flood as it is seen worldwide with the same fossil characteristics.

So, you think the Cambrian layer is one type of sediment, with consistent method of deposition, world wide?

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Has anybody ever wondered why 100% of the moon and mars has been mapped but only 5% of the ocean floor of earth? Perhaps three are some "hidden" secrets there.

Er, if the global flood is falsified by the geology of land on earth, it is not going to be "unfalsified" by any discovery under the ocean. Sorry.
 
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Has anybody ever wondered why 100% of the moon and mars has been mapped but only 5% of the ocean floor of earth? Perhaps three are some "hidden" secrets there.

For one, the high pressure environment of the ocean floor makes it hard to get equipment down there to map it out. Additionally, thanks to ocean currents, these machines can easily be pushed off course or destroyed being pushed against sharp and heavy objects.

I personally highly doubt that both Mars and the moon have been fully mapped like that. Even if that is true, satellites far from those planets can do it, the ocean doesn't have the visibility to allow for that, equipment has to be sent deep to look deep in great detail. You know what neither Mars nor the moon has? Liquid oceans or thick atmospheres or horrific pressures to make imagining hard. Ever wondered why, say, Venus hadn't been mapped really? Or Mercury? Those planets have environments that make it hard to map them. Thus, the ocean floor of earth is harder to map out than the moon would be.
 
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Has anybody ever wondered why 100% of the moon and mars has been mapped but only 5% of the ocean floor of earth? Perhaps three are some "hidden" secrets there.

Not really no. Its easy to map things that are exposed to air/space. All you need is a satellite with a camera and some math skills to take care of the Moon and Mars. The Ocean floor is buried underneath water that makes highly detailed measurements extremely difficult. In actual fact though the entire Ocean floor has been mapped. 5% is the figure that has been mapped at a detailed resolution. We know where every 'mountain' and 'valley' so to speak is on the ocean floor. We don't know where every nook and crevice is.

46AND2 handled what I'd have to say about "The Cambrian Layer" being some kind of monolithic world wide layer that is evidence of a global flood. It simply isn't a world wide monolithic layer and its not evidence of a global flood.
 
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Has anybody ever wondered why 100% of the moon and mars has been mapped but only 5% of the ocean floor of earth? Perhaps three are some "hidden" secrets there.
Maybe some of the "creatures" of the deep would put the final nail in the evolution coffin.
It seems the "scientists" are more concerned about life on other planets than they are about ours.

Which part is the 5%?

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I personally highly doubt that both Mars and the moon have been fully mapped like that. Even if that is true, satellites far from those planets can do it...

As usual, Tas is wrong, but:
Google Mars
The data sent back by the Mars Global Surveyor and the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter have allowed very detailed mapping for just the reasons you mention - a lack of oceans makes mapping much easier.

Rick, your image is stretching out the view plane. How about finding a different one or hiding it behind a spoiler tag?
 
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